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Is this the yearbook debut of Super Crazy? This features a good bit of guys I am not familiar with. For a pure spectacle spotfest, I thought this first caida was better than the Souled Out match. Plenty of crazy spots to mention like the dive into the third row. Juvy jumping around like a loon. Aguila was really showing off flipping around like crazy. Second fall slows things done more with the Juvy's side taking control and doing some pounding on their opponents. The Young Bucks stole some of the spots from Super Crazy with the legdrop/moonsault combo. A big time leg drop from Juvy ends this one. Grannies in sweaters are in the crowd. Third fall starts more frantic action and spots. Crazy and what I assume is Venom Black (please correct if wrong) take center stage and I have to say, I kind of wish this match was just a nutty spotfest. Juvy tries his hand next and gets shut down before he is able to get a reverse DDT. Juvy also takes out Salsero. Pantera then comes in and him and Juvy go flying over the ring. I am a bit confused with this third fall as it seems to be elimination rules. Pantera thinks the match is won but he forgot about Juvy. Juvy locks on a submission but lets it go. Juvy fouls Pantera which is not seen by the ref and the ref and Venom get into a scruff. Juvy pins him to salvage the month of January for him. As I said, I really dug the first fall but thought the second and third falls meandered quite a bit and did not deliver on the promise of the opening caida of a balls to the wall spotfest. (**1/2)
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Your personal most Overrated and Underrated
soup23 replied to JaymeFuture's topic in Megathread archive
Shining Wiz: I dont wan't to pick a fight just want a clarifying point. I have Flair, Misawa, and Kobashi all around the top of my list as the GOAT's. However, you criticize Flair for going to the top in EVERY match. Both Misawa and Kobashi have special moves that get busted out in rare occasions (TD 91 and Burning Hammer respectively). In fact, the Burning Hammer may not have definitively ended a match as important as Flair winning at Starrcade 83 with the flying body press. I'm just curious why Misawa and Kobashi get a pass for actively going for their special moves, but Flair gets criticized? -
About as good a 7 minute match as you can hope to have. We get nice pair offs of traditional feuds like Eddy vs. Benoit and Malenko and also some freshness with Jericho being interspersed in there. Malenko vs. Jericho have the first chapter in what will be one of the rivalries to look at in 1998. The finish is great as Benoit has the crossface on Jericho and Eddy completely eats the boots of Malenko coming from the top rope and takes a great bump. Would have liked to have seen these four get 18 minutes of PPV from around this time. (***)
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[1998-01-29-WCW-Thunder] Interview: Scott Hall & Dusty Rhodes
soup23 replied to Loss's topic in January 1998
Hall is here to do his survey and guess what, it's one more for the good guys. Dusty comes out and cuts a whale of a promo talking about tradition and his intentions with the NWO. He tells Tony that he kept asking for someone to do something and he went and did it. He has a word for the marks on the internet that Larry wont be having any comebacks. Dusty was awesome in this role and I do feel like it could have lead to something really cool. -
Incredible video mixing in the music video and clips of Snow and his connection with the crowd. I don't get the gimmick but I can't deny how over it was at this time. The fact that many people threw in the "heads" they probably purchased into the ring is a cult thing. The music building up after the bridge with the clips was especially incredible in how well it synched up. One of the better ECW videos of all time.
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RVD is doing a split and lifting weights. Impressive athleticism, I will give him that. He doesn't claim to be the showstopper, he is the fucking show. Triple threat has a warning for Bam Bam and we hear how much of a great lover Francine is. Snow gives a good promo having a talk with head about turning his life around. Bam Bam and Taz have an altercation in the snowy parking lot. THis ends in Taz becoming his partner vs. The Triple Threat.
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Jenna has done some extreme things in her life but nothing as extreme as ECW. If you go to her website, make sure they know that ECW sent you there.
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This is a good promo from Austin focused directly at Tyson and still challenging him to a fight. I do want to commend WWF for doing the King promo so early in the Mania build and not dragging it out that Tyson and Austin were going to have a match. Austin is so good at conjuring up hatred towards any opponent.
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The hammer drops from King that Nevada has barred Tyson from fighting so he can't fight at Mania. However, he is confident that him and Vince can come up with a creative situation for Mike to appear in at Mania. King gives the people the hard sell to order the PPV.
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Goldust comes out as HHH and Luna as Chyna in another good spoof and overall tie-in of things happening in WWF. Goldust throws off his wig and nose implant and we have a decent little 5 minute match between him and Owen. He even goes for a pedigree but Owen reverses into the sharpshooter for the submission. DX is on the titantron laughing and getting one over again but Slaughter runs down and makes the judgement call that he had him fooled and Owen is the new European champion. Cool moment. (*3/4)
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[1998-01-26-WWF-Raw] Cactus Jack & Chainsaw Charlie vs New Age Outlaws
soup23 replied to Loss's topic in January 1998
Cool clips of Funk and Cactus shooting the shit from earlier in the day. This match shows how the NAO still weren't great at all in the ring as the match before the mayhem with the finish has the crowd completely dead. They heat up with Funk interjects a chair into the ring and Cactus gives the cactus elbow with the chair providing an assist. NAO win by DQ. (*) Backstage, Hunter and HBK talk to the legends and then we get a big attack on them with the Raw interview set getting destroyed. -
DX is in the back. HHH gives a promo with a towel over his junk. Chyna is wrapping his knee in pain. HHH says that him at 50% is better than Owen at 100%. HHH is going to send Owen to that cesspool in the South. HBK offers his services at Mania as the special referee of a match between Tyson and Austin.
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Jericho walks down in a Rey shirt. He apologizes for the injury and dedicates the cruiserweight belt to him. Jericho hopes that it never, ever happens again. He then brings up the powerbomb in a nice touch saying he would never use such tactics. Jericho cries over the victory and the people pushing him through to regaining the title. Jericho stands before us all as our hero, role model, and champion.
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Savage gets out of a car and is ranting and raving. Macho rushes in and we cut to a match between Spicolli and Juventud. Macho comes to the ring area and lays a beating on Juventud by giving him a piledriver. I love watching Lodi's reactions to some of this stuff going on. Spicolli wants the ref to count which is fairly funny. Louie goes for some congratulations and gets dumped as a result. Luger is getting called out. NWO music fires up and here come the entire troops. Liz has a look of concern. Bischoff plays peacemaker. Macho tells Hogan that he makes him sick. Hogan tells Madness that if he is part of the team, he has to play the whole game. Even with differences of opinion, they stay together. One subtle thing is the shoutouts to Syxx Pac are no more. Hogan tells Savage that he was getting his ass kicked and needed some help from the reserves. Macho says the match wasn't over, Hall and Hogan werent coordinated and he doesn't need their interference, and finally he makes fun of the fact that Hogan is no longer the champion. Hogan reiterates that everyone in the family knows he beat Sting twice. The segment ends with big dispute between the NWO and Savage.
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[1998-01-26-WCW-Nitro] Interview: Kevin Nash & Eric Bischoff
soup23 replied to Loss's topic in January 1998
Nash and Bisch give a promo at the entryway. Nash is still sipping on the coffee. Bischoff says the sanction was bogus. Nash wants to set the story straight. The Giant looked him in the eyes and said he couldn't go anymore. Being the sportsman that Nash is, he gave him some coffee to help pick him up. Once the coffee didn't work, the low blow and powerbomb were the second and third choices. Nash compares Giant to Old Yeller and putting a dog down. Nash wants to be called the Giant killer Kevin Nash from now on.- 5 replies
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[1998-01-26-WCW-Nitro] J.J. Dillon bans the powerbomb
soup23 replied to Loss's topic in January 1998
Clips are shown of the powerbomb at Souled Out. JJ comes out and has a discussion about sports injuries that could play in 2014. JJ says tests on The Giant have been performed but more are scheduled and he really can't give an update on his situation. JJ is taking action and effective immediately, the powerbomb is barred from WCW. Boos rain down on JJ at that announcement. JJ gets fired up and offers a stern warning to Nash not to use the powerbomb again.- 9 replies
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Armstrong is wearing his Armstrong Curse T-shirt. BA puts Goldberg down to one knee which the announcers push as the most damage Goldberg has taken so far. Goldberg takes over quickly, but Brad actually pounds on him coming back into the ring. Goldberg did a great job in making his power moves look super impressive. Spear and Jackhammer spell the end of this one in two minutes. Crowd is popping huge for Goldberg. (*)
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Gene is at UTC Chattanooga at the Alpha Chi Alpha frat house for the first winners of the Nitro Party sweepstakes. The Nttro Girls dance with about 500 guys around the house. Gene looked like he was having a good time and I can only imagine what the Nitro Girls heard throughout this night.
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[1998-01-26-AJPW-New Year's Giant Series] Mitsuharu Misawa vs Jun Akiyama
soup23 replied to Loss's topic in January 1998
Honestly don't know if I have ever seen this which is weird since it is probably the biggest high profile match from the 90's I havent. I always remember JDW saying he would rather get gang raped than vote for this match in the DVDVR pimpin post so I skipped it. Akiyama starts off early and they do what they can to get him over as a threat. He sends Misawa to the outside and fires right through the first elbow smash by clothes lining him down. Misawa still has that trusty elbow and is able to weather the storm with AKiyama coming off the top rope. Just as I expected Misawa to be on top for a long while, Akiyama hits an exploder and Misawa does his roll to the outside. Akiyama stalks after him like he should and tombstones him right on the floor. That gets a nearfall and then Akiyama takes firm control with a headscissors. Not the most exciting sequence in the world, but still good at establishing Akiyama as a main guy. Akiyama remains focused on the neck with a swinging neckbreaker and a chinlock. Akiyama ratchets up the intensity with some forearms and a tiger driver! Misawa says, slow down boy and takes over with elbow strikes and his twisting clothesline. Akiyama after taking about five minutes of damage is able to take back over with a northern lights suplex and a pedigree. An elbow smash from the top leads to two germans and a gutwrench powerbomb for a nearfall. This match definitely has a tone to it that it wont go the 30+ minutes most TC matches by this point went. Akiyama looks for the Exploder but Misawa thwarts that and hits his elbow suicida evening up the odds. Misawa slams Akiyama on the outside, hits a senton, and then a splash on the floor. Sometimes the stoicism of Misawa can make it tough when frustration is appropriate in the narrative of the match. Instead, context clues like him doing those moves on the outside or just general more dickishness show that he is getting flustered with this young upstart. Inside, he even hits a belly to belly for a nearfall. These two are still tag partners but you get a sense that even Misawa is slightly alarmed at the resiliency of his partner. A dragon screw leg whip and awkward pyramid bomb type move again gives Akiyama an opening. He powerbombs Misawa right on the top rope, hits a german, elbow smash, and exploder for a superb nearfall that had the Osaka crowd biting on it. Another exploder gets another nearfall and Akiyama is left a little awe struck that Misawa kicked out of that onslaught. A brainbuster earns Akiyama two more nearfalls and we are starting to get to the cliff of Misawa taking too much believable damage. Sure enough, he blocks the next Exploder attempt awkwardly and hits his elbow smash. Akiyama runs right into a back elbow and then a sidewalk slam gets Misawa a two count. Tiger driver gets him another closer two count and both men are down on the mat. Akiyama has the audacity to get into a strike exchange and does a roaring clothesline. Misawa returns with a running elbow that I bit on the nearfall of. He then busts out the Emerald Flowsion for I believe the first time and wins the match. Misawa won the match but Akiyama looked like an upstart and I thought it was very smart of them to keep this relatively condensed to what else was going on. I also didn't see an egregious amount of no-selling from these two. I enjoyed the September 1997 match a lot, and thought this eclipsed that. (****)- 12 replies
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[1998-01-24-WCW-Souled Out] Randy Savage vs Lex Luger
soup23 replied to Loss's topic in January 1998
We cut to Luger getting slapped by Elizabeth. That is kind of uncomfortable to watch in retrospect. Also odd that this is the main event as it was probably the #4 hyped match on the show. We get some crowd brawling and Luger comes back into the ring and we have the pop up clothesline spot which now annoys me given that thread. Hall and Hogan come stalking out to the ring as Luger hits his powerslam. Hogan stops Hall and tells him not to intervene. Hall gets up on the apron and Macho is sent into him. Luger racks Macho and wins the match. Now the NWO attacks Luger and Sting makes the save. Luger racks Nash and Sting has the death lock on Hogan as the PPV wraps up.- 6 replies
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I loved the way this match was worked. The oneupmanship that had prevailed on the promos carried over into the ring. Hart locks on a figure four 3 minutes in just to prove he can. Tony talks about the paradigm shifts throughout the match and it is spot on analysis. This isn't a my turn, your turn match just because, this had a succinct build that played into that type of match being worked. The announcers also get over how well versed each guy is in winning a match and countering holds. Flair takes the first shortcut of the match, because he is Flair. Bret targets the neck for a bit and then starts locking in on the leg as the match goes to the final stretch. Even Bret is being a little heelish at points as both guys just want to win. Bret goes for the ringpost figure four but instead he gets kicked into the guardrail. Flair now is able to focus in on the leg. Tony is fantastic on commentary for this match hitting all the key beats. Bret gets in some hope spots but gets his leg buckled tremendously when Bret argues with Billy Silverman. Bret is in the figure four selling it well and Flair adds to the insult by slapping him in the face. Bret is able to reverse and then catches Flair off the top rope. Even Flair scaling to the top makes a lot of sense in this match given his cockeyness leading up to it and him being so protective of his spot. Bret pulls down the straps and starts the sequence to the sharpshooter. Bret hits a superplex and locks on the sharpshooter. Flair has no choice but to tap giving Bret a big win coming into WCW. I talked up the stairway to hell match as the quintessential ECW match. This match feels like one of most NWA style matches of the 1990's. I would be surprised if Bret had another match as good as this throughout the rest of his career. (****1/4)
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Hogan and Bischoff are at ringside. Ill give Hogan this, he is staying active while not wrestling much at this point in time. Bischoff gets chokeslammed but nash throws a kettle of hot coffee in Giant's face. He low blows him and then delivers the jack-knife that looks like it breaks Giant's neck. Nash pins him for the victory. Hogan, always the opportunist talks about how he taught nash that move. The announcers get over how much this has been the NWO's night so far.
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[1998-01-24-WCW-Souled Out] Larry Zbyszko vs Scott Hall
soup23 replied to Loss's topic in January 1998
Larry plays opossum and gets the guillotine choke locked on. Louis Spicolli runs in to interfere and receives three bionic elbows for his trouble. Dusty then measures up Hall but whacks Larry with an elbow. Larry's sell job off this elbow is great. Dusty reveals an NWO shirt and the crowd is going crazy for this. They bury Larry under a WCW hat and Dusty tells the camera to byte this. I don't know if Tony and Bobby bickering was legit or staged during the replay but it really added to this moment. Dusty with the NWO was a cool moment but with him and lackey Spicolli around, the faction was certainly filling up too quickly.- 8 replies
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