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[1998-01-05-WWF-Raw] Mike Tyson announcement and feature / Don King promo
soup23 replied to Loss's topic in January 1998
JR announces that negotiations are underway with Mike Tyson participating at WM 14. We then go to a video narrated by MIchael Cole of some newspaper clippings reporting this news. We are live from Don King's headquarters where he assures the audience that he will do his best to provide Tyson in a ultra exciting event. -
The Bangers miss a stage dive and the NAO pick up the victory with a Billy Gunn roll up. Chainsaw Charlie and Cactus come in and chase out the NAO. Chainsaw uses the chainsaw on the ring post.
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Goldust comes out as ShaftDust in an afro, bell-bottoms, and blackface. Even Luna is playing the part. The match was really good for the 3 minutes it lasted. Goldust was stiff with some punches and Flash still had a lot left in the tanks with great kicks and aerial moves. He goes up for the 450 but Luna interferes to throw out the match. This results in vader running in and hitting a shoulder block until Goldust bails. (*1/2)
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Steve Austin is walking into the building raising hell and promising to strike first.
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Flair comes out to a huge pop. He gives kudos to Sting and then turns his attention to Bret Hart. We are seeming to get some legit animosity here. Flair questions how Bret can call himself the best when Flair is right there. Bret's terrible music fires up and out he comes. Bret gets a great reaction and you have to remember that WWF hadnt been to Atlanta in years, really since Bret was a main event star. Flair and Bret take shots at each others sayings. Flair says that maybe in Canada Bret is a big deal, but not in Atlanta, GA. Bret repeats his saying to Flair's disdain. Flair runs down the lists of Race, Kiniski, Brisco, and Funk Jr. He then challenges Bret to really dig deep and that there is no way he could think he was a better performer than Flair. Jackets get taken out and Bret says again that he thinks he is better than Flair. Flair tells him that he is going to have to prove it in the ring one more time. Great angle.
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I'm really fascinated going into this year as to what will be my MOTY. I have completed four yearbooks so far and with the exception of 1990 ( I assumed Azteca vs. Dandy or Jumbo vs. Misawa), the match I figured would be my MOTY going in, was. There have been some surprises along the way (Tamura vs. Uematsu from 1997 for example) but overall I have a general sense with the exception of 1999 and 1998 of what my favorite matches of the year are. Even stretching back to the 1980's, I have a fairly clear sense for most of those years. If I had to wager a guess, I would say it would be the June Kobashi vs. Kawada match for 1998, but another interesting thing to track is that every year so far has had at least one ***** match from me. I see little doubt that 1992, 1993, 1995, and 1996 would have at least one as well based on the matches I am very familiar with. I have watched Kobashi vs. Kawada numerous times before and it never struck me as a ***** (probably close to ****1/2 to ****3/4). I am hoping a match will come up and really blow me away from the year to keep the ***** streak alive.
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Aw, the Georgia Dome. I sill think it was a terrible business move for WCW to not hold a signature PPV in the Georgia Dome as with the right match, the probably could have had close to a sell out. Jericho comes out with a chair and tuxedo and he apologizes to David Penzer about last week's tantrum. He presents Penzer with a new chair and tuxedo jacket. You could tell Jericho was relishing this role and the crowd was right there with him. He throws in a couple of lines such as being a role model to millions just to make sure everyone is on board with what is happening. The match is only three minutes long but continued the storyline. Jericho and Page shake hands a couple of times after coming to a standstill. On the third handshake, Jericho pulls Page down into a pinning combination. He then goes for a kick to the balls but Page grabs the leg and spins him around into a vicious looking Diamond Cutter. The segment closes with Jericho pitching another fit on the outside with the steel steps turned over. (*)
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[1998-01-04-NJPW-Final Power Hall in Tokyo Dome] Naoya Ogawa vs Don Frye
soup23 replied to Loss's topic in January 1998
We cut to where the match resembles a shoot in no form or fashion with Ogawa back suplexing Frye. We do get a few judo throws from Ogawa and this is looking like a squash showing his dominance. All of a sudden, Frye gets a nut shot and starts pounding away on Ogawa and he ends up choking him out and winning the match. Very odd and sloppy looking and the crowd reacted with a general sense of HUH?. The nut shot in particular looked awful but maybe that was just because I have watched a lot of lucha lately with some of the best low blows of all time. This really felt like a transition for New Japan and them thrusting the shoot style stuff up to the very top of the card for a TOkyo Dome show. I'm interested at some point to watch the Muto/Sasaki match that main events this show. -
[1998-01-04-NJPW-Final Power Hall in Tokyo Dome] Riki Choshu Retirement
soup23 replied to Loss's topic in January 1998
This was a really cool overview of Choshu's career interspersing his feuds and huge matches throughout the years. We see him battling Inoki, Fujinami, UWF vs. New Japan feud, and later battles with Chono and Hashimoto. We get a classy sendoff with him greeting what I assume are his kids in the ring and the 10 bell salute. Classy "retirement" for a great wrestler for the company. -
First off, the referee of this match is the Japanese Harley Race. Second, I get what Ditch says to some extent. The match has a mat heavy beginning portion and the action was heavier in the second half. Coupling with all of that, the crowd wasnt too into this. However, I disintegrate in not enjoying this match because I did think the matwork played a bigger role into the entire story being told than in many other matches. Ultimo had a good bit to prove in this match based on his past Dome performances and him trying to overreach his boundaries. He had two awkward moments in this match but no complete wipe outs like in the 93 match with Liger. The opening matwork was also done well because every time Ultimo tried to get more flashy or fancy he got caught. Otani dragged him into the apron on the outside before he could springboard. Otani started to counter the hunnicanranas and work over Ultimo. Even the finish repeated this storyline of Ultimo getting two close near falls with two moves and then his thinking of combining them together being his ultimate downfall. Otani is still able to mix in some amazing mannerisms, punches, and hand movement to make a match memorable. Overall, this is one of the better junior matches I have ever seen from the Dome and it told a nice redemption story for Ultimo to me and Otani becoming even more the man in the junior division. (****)
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[1998-01-03-NWA 2000] Cham Pain & Venom vs Surge & Kid Dynamo
soup23 replied to Loss's topic in January 1998
Took me looking up Kid Dynamo to realize it was Shannon Moore. Hardy as Surge towers over him even at this point. Him and Cham Pain have a flashy opening segment of armdrags. Venom and Surge get tagged in and the match slows down to a more formulaic standpoint. This doesn't last very long and Moore is used as a weapon to dive on Pain and Venom on the outside. Hardy was clearly the best guy in the match doing everything cleanly and with emphasis. The standouts where his fist drop and his elbow drop from the top. Moore hits a lot of flippy dives but they have little to no impact behind them and as a result look very loose. The match took a weird structure in the beginning with the faces getting a ton of the early going and I thought Matt was foreshadowing a turn on Dynamo with quick tags in and out and at one point outright refusing to tag in. I don't know if he was blown up or what. Cham Pain took no less than three crazy dives and bumped big. Him and Venom take over on Dynamo for a couple of minutes leading to the hot tag. They end having some miscommunication and Venom decks Pain allowing Matt to hit the springboard moonsault for the pin. Not an awful tag but not a great one either in 2014. The crowd was hot and this was mainly interesting to me to see these individuals at this point in their careers. **1/4 -
I voted yes. I understand the notion that someone should be waiting in the wings for Cena before he is turned but I do think their is opportunity for that to happen if they provide a substantive push behind the new heir apparent once a turn for Cena is justified. I do think Cena is hotter now than Hogan was in 1996 but time wise, Cena has been a top guy since Mania 21 or 9.5 years. Hogan legdropping Macho was around 12.5 years after he beat Shiek. Also, when Hogan turned, their wasnt a justifiable star waiting to be the #1 babyface. We know that became Sting in the crow angle and how that got botched but Sting had a horrible track record of drawing on top up to that point in time. The other top babyfaces in the company? Luger, someone who still has a stigma of being a shit draw decades later but even at his peak, it is not like he was a historically great draw. Flair feels old hat. DDP was just starting to rise up. Macho was old hat. There really wasn't much there. NWO was a great concept and Hogan fulfilled it to the fullest. I have a lot of faith in Dean Ambrose and think he could possibly be ready to be that "next" guy. Bryan was getting there to before his injury but I still think Ambrose has more mainstream appeal overall.
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This is my exact thought listening to Sorrow on a podcast.
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On episode 14 of The Kevin Kelly Show, Kevin talks about Kevin Steen, Dean Ambrose, Rusev & Putin, KENTA, John Cena going Hollywood and much more. Kevin is then joined by Danny Cage, owner of the world famous Monster Factory. Danny talks about how he took over the Factory, his recent graduate Steve Cutler that is currently in NXT, his current crop of trainees, his tenets for trainees to follow and much more. Kevin and Justin then discuss the World Cup of Greatest TV Characters, play a game of “Who Would You Take” and also chat NBA Free Agency, WWE Network and the always hot trending stories. http://placetobenation.com/the-kevin-kelly-show-episode-14-featuring-danny-cage/
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Not even Ishii?
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Sounds like a good concept and a tall task ahead of you. Before I send it to the site, I would like to get your thoughts about it: - Should I transcribe the entire response, or should I edit out unnecessary stuff (like whenever Dave says "you know")? I would certainly edit as much rambling, connectors, etc as possible. One would only really need the meat of the answer Dave provides. - Should I include questions about MMA? This is really a judgement call, I don't particularly care about the MMA questions but I know some do. I would at least try to have two sections (one for wrestling, one for MMA) if you do include MMA. - Should I include questions that are clearly outdated? Another judgement call but I'm inclined to say just because even if someone asked Dave what he thought would happen at Night of Champions 2009, it would be neat if we had the date and predictions Dave provided. Good luck.
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Will is joined by Dylan Hales (Wrestling Culture) to help WWE assess its current roster. We run down the wrestlers from Adam Rose to Zach Ryder. Who needs to turn face or heel? Who needs to be repackaged? Who should be given their pink slip? We throw in some fantasy booking, honest critiques and some laughs along the way. Later this week, we’ll be back with another panel to discuss more problems facing WWE and how they can fix it. Enjoy! http://placetobenation.com/good-will-wrestling-fixing-the-wwe-part-one/
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Side note but plays sort of into this, I have listened to the Battleground Reaction, Latest WC, and Titans Extra today. As a result, Im Dylan'd out, but have said "what the fuck" in exact Dylan tone at least twice today at work.
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Knew Dylan would have some venom on this one, didn't disappoint. Charles going on every podcast and commenting on people's fashion sense never gets old.
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Started this and have some retort to the Garvin discussion. Firstly, I hate hearing the gate of Starrcade 87 being brought up. One, documentation I have seen shows 8,000 which is not that bad considering the capacity and market. Second, I don't understand how Garvin being used to give the belt back to Flair and everyone knew this can be equated to Garvin being responsible for the bad supposed house. If EVERYONE knew Flair was winning, wouldn't that be more reflected on him as a draw if it was indeed bad? Keep in mind this is coming as someone that thinks Flair is a top 3 GOAT and that the house being bad is an overblown talking point. I don't think the title change match is ***** but I do have it as around ****1/2 and think it is one of the most underrated matches in wrestling history.. Rhyno as underrated is not a bad choice. He gets lost a bit in the shuffle coming in at the tail end of ECW and then being littered with numerous other people in the Invasion era. Hardcore Holly is not someone who I would argue for really underrated but I don't think he was terrible doing the bully gimmick. The argument for Luger that you put forth was really good. Again, his only time where he really looked like an idiot is from the Lex Express to WM 10 period. I do think this shows have gotten progressively better each week and appreciate the time crunch you put on each show.
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They definitely were happening by the fall of 1997. I would say September/October is a good barometer for the beginning.
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Pete bringing the snark in this thread. I loved this episode and thought Parv did an admirable job giving his reasoning for his adulation of Ted. I never have to agree with someone's point of view, just see where their reasoning comes from and this was conveyed here. Looking forward to part 2.
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NJPW Invasion Attack is my favorite New Japan show of the year, date is April 6th
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