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Bret. DiBiase. Any other questions ?

I'm not sure Flair is gonna be in my top 20. I have no idea *at all* who my N°1 will end up being. I have no idea where the next five years will lead me, if only because I don't know what those five years will bring in term of great wrestling (and they will). I have no idea how my approach will evolve as I'm watching tons of different stuff. Hell, yesterday I noted a name that I guarantee you *no one* will have in their list, and who is not about great match at all. Maybe the name will end up in my list, maybe not. "It's a marathon, not a sprint"....

Or simpler than that : they don't care. They actively supported a white supremacist, racist pig chauvinist to the White House. Why should they care about what Hogan said ? The crowd should eviscerate Hogan live. Of course they won't because "Ohhh but my childhood memories yaddi yaddi yadda I was a Hulkamaniac blabla fucking blah". It's embarrassing.

Hopefully. However, stuff like this is not good sign : "they haven't been schooled", 'they haven't spend hours having their preconception challenged"... For fuck's sake. The patronizing tone is unbearable already. Gatekeeping and using authority arguments. Talking down to *potential* voters already. Just wonderful.

Not surprised in the least. This kind of attitude is what made last poll a chore for so many people. The next one has not been jumpstarted and already we have to endure the fucking bullshit about "hipsterism" (whatever the fuck that means ie nothing) and "video game generated modern workers" ? I hope we get 20 something years old women voters from TikTok and they have Sasha Banks as n°1 and the 2026 GWE is basically a gigantic "Ok boomer" middle finger to the previous one.

Damn, loving the new avatar.

Thirded. The "goal" for me will be to have the most satisfactory personal list I can at that point. I feel like the 2006 list was really up to where I was then. The 2016 list I was quite dissatisfied with (not to mention the overall results), as it was a mix of stuff from memory, canonical names, names thrown it despite the fact I had not watched nor enjoyed nearly enough to justify their high placement... (and really it wasn't a good time at all for me IRL, I remember I left the board basically a few months before and submitted a list at the last moment) I mean, Jumbo was terrific in the 70's already. But at the exact same time, Jaguar was blowing *everyone* out of the water. She was like ten years ahead of her time in term of, well, everything (and no, I don't say that from memory, I'm slowly diving into the old stuff, some of which I've seen before, tons I haven't).

Yeah that Jewett tape with the Tenryu matches was all over, a best seller. One of the first tapes I got in the late 90's. And yes, I remember the same way about the pimping being focused on the 70 & 90's (Tenryu being clearly considered as 90's work here).

Jumbo in 2006 was a done deal. The awesome stuff over three decades with so many different kind of opponents from the old NWA US style (the Funks) to the more modern Race/Flair/Steamboat generation, to having his ass kicked by Choshu & Yatsu and having to adapt, then kickstarting the next evolution with Tenryu who had adapted quickly to the faster pace to Grumpy Jumbo mentoring the Four Pillars and making Misawa. The case was closed by the mid 00's, Jumbo was *our* guy at Smarckchoice. That's pretty much what I said about how having less footage can actually be an advantage over having too much footage. Me neither. But of course, when times come, I surely will do that if I'm not too lazy and just post +1 under whomever puts the work in. But like you said, it's much easier when there aren't that much great stuff, although at some point having "that much great stuff" has to constitute a de facto argument (for whomever agrees that the output is actually great). Daniel Bryan is gonna win in 2026. You heard it here first. You can quote me. (and my list will most probably have Thesz and Ishii on it)

Fuck me silly. The most I spend for a concert is 30 euros (which suits me because no one charging more interests me in the least). I mean, that is, when we used to have concert...

I don't care about star ratings. I don't do them, I couldn't care less about anyone else's star ratings. I can take last year's G1 matches only and consider this guy as one of the greatest pro-wrestler ever. Ishii is like you put Animal Hamaguchi, Kawada & Tenryu in a blender, and here comes Ishii. That too. That guy's career arc is legit insane. I mean, my list is gonna have Okada, Tanahashi, Omega, Naito, Ishii end up pretty fucking high by the standards of today already. Not to mention Ibushi, White, Ospreay... That crew is gonna get their due. Honestly I don't expect anything nor hope for anything as far as the end result goes, because that's exactly what would make this whole thing a headache. I'm not gonna try to influence anyone either, because it's just kinda annoying to try and force your tastes on others, which is also why I'll refrain to post anything negative about workers I don't care for. I mean, am I gonna waste my time *again* explaining why Jerry Lawler is overrated as fuck (really good though, but that won't get you near my list) ? Nope. Just gonna show love to my favorites and react positively to shared interests.

I watched all that stuff almost 20 years ago. AJ TV from 89 is so much fun. 90, a little bit less so (NJPW TV in 90 was more fun, again, strictly from memory). Jumbo is a guy I've watched so much that I have no idea if I want to revisit some of his stuff. I voted him n°1 last time. I won't vote for my n°1 from memory, no chance of this happening. So either I rewatch some Jumbo (which I may), either he'll probably drop (well, he can't go higher) a bit because I simply won't watch him this time around (shit happens).

I'm not sure I can think of a whole lot that are better (Last year's G1 ? Fuck, Ishii was like all-time great performances ever every time). He's just that great to me. One of the guys that made me reconsider a lot of stuff that I thought I knew in the last few years and made my tastes evolve. But hey, I know I'm probably be the high vote on many, many current (last 10-15, counting from 2026) workers.

One paradoxal thing that will play against most current workers (apart from the WWE guys because it's being watched by default by most) is that there is actually too much footage. For instance there are so many great, great Tomohiro Ishii matches in the last ten years that it makes it just daunting to ever get into this guy's case. Only watching the last 4 or 5 G1 Climax, this guy should be in everyone's Top 20 already or something. But since he doesn't belong into the old "canon" because he's a current talent and since there's "too much" stuff, all that will play against him in the end I believe. Whereas anyone can watch the handful of Lou Thesz matches available and go "Yeah, he was awesome".

Fujita was a terrible worker who's stuff looked awful. He was also sloppy as fuck and pretty dangerous. That's from memory, maybe I'd watch some of the stuff now and enjoy it, but back then, the Fujita stuff was painfull to watch, especially at that time when shoot-style was basically a dying thing (Takada not going back to pro-wrestling and kickstarting the super hot Pride, which some considers as shoot pro-wrestling of sort, really was the last nail in the coffin along with RINGS turning into more and more of a legit shoot promotion). Inoki's MMA fetish definitely hurt NJPW for a long time. It's interesting that Tanahashi basically rebuilt NJPW from an ideological standpoint that was totally opposite, as he went back to the style of the 90's and the Musketeers, Mutoh (who said "Fuck that shit" and went over AJ for this very reason, the smart guy that he was) being his most obvious influence.

Airplane spin into a double bump over the tope rope to the floor. Ahhhhh, when pro-wrestling was "believable". Damn Lou, ya bumping fool. Looked much better than the 60 minute draw, as Rikidozan really isn't someone that can go that long without the match getting repetitive and kinda dull. Thesz is so great though.

As always, totally fascinating stuff. Thanks for sharing this ! Love the stories about sumo politics and aesthetics.

Come on, that is never done, this is such a fresh angle. Also, NINE STRAIGHT NIGHTS of WWE events. Not overkill at all. I don't see how even the most hardcore fans would not get burned out. Looking at the line ups, it's "interesting" that not one year after the SpeakingOut movement, both Matt Riddle and Jordan Devlin are being featured during the big Mania week events. I guess cancel culture really isn't a thing after all... From someone who doesn't follow the product apart from afar and the occasional video clip, the matches I'd be interested in on paper would be Karrion Kross vs Finn Balor (for no other reason that I enjoyed Kross in LU and IMPACT, so I guess his coronation could be fun to watch for me), Banks vs BeLair (wait, weren't they also tag partner who hated each others ?), ASUKA vs Ripley, Fiend vs Orton (because it has the potential to be so godawful it's good) and Reigns vs Edge vs Bryan. So maybe if I'm bored (and brave) enough, I may watch some of it live if I find me some Russian stream like I did for the Rumble... But I mean, the only show I'm looking forward to this week is Bloodsport 6, really.

You can feel the excitement for Mania week in this very thread...

97. The end of times. I blame the Sasaki push..

To me that was less an issue than the fact once is back was thrashed in 90 (or late 89), he wasn't the same anymore. To me he's almost at Yatsu level of going from out of this world great to "good" at best in a few months. Unlike Yatsu he had flashes in the right context (like you said, the WAR feud, mostly thanks to Tenryu), but damn, Fuji post-90 was nothing like Fuji pre-90 to me. A true and true 80's peak guy.

Thesz kicking out at 1 on a freaking bodyslam during the stretch to the finish. This kind of bullshit is what is killing the business. Likewise Rikidozan kicking out of a fucking backdrop driver early on. These guys don't know how to work. Plus Thesz takes all these ridiculous bumps, looks totally fake. Pro-wrestling was great before the war, but Thesz is making a fool out of the NWA belt with matches like this or the stuff with Carpentier. Ridiculous stuff.

I'm watching way more stuff that I mostly like a lot these days. But yeah, 9 years of TNA, uh ! It took me some time to get Choshu. I had my reasons. Then it clicked and I became a big fan. Misawa, not exactly the same, but he's obviously not a guy that would totally click from the very first time either to someone accustomed to US wrestling (Choshu neither BTW). Fujinami is a great fucking worker, that's who he is. Well, that is, until he gets hurt in about 90 and then he's a former great fucking worker who's had many flashes of greatness in an ocean of dull matches for decades. As far as being more a fan of "por-wrestling matches" than pro-wrestling, to me it goes down to the fact that pro-wrestling is 90% pro-wrestling matches. Which is why back in the days, you'd buy some tapes with some so-called great matches from guys you haven't seen before from these promotions that you don't know anything about, totally out of context. And most of the time, you'd get blown away. So yeah. Although I do contradict myself when I say I enjoy watching IMPACT despite the fact I know there are much better workers and matches in WWE, because one is fun to watch to me as a pro-wrestling TV show and the other is not. so, there...

*facepalm* Also, Tama & Tanga in two separates singles matches. NO. This is such a waste of both ZSJ and Taichii, who has grown so much in the last two years. White vs Tanahashi should be terrific though.

There's no way I'm not starting to watch some old French stuff without beginning with this match, because when I became a fan Carpentier was often talking about Duranton (especially when Rick Rude was around), so this is kind of the match-up I was always hearing about watching WWF TV. Two things struck me about good old Eddie, I knew he was a gymnast and I knew of his token flying spots, but damn did he work stiff too ! He really beat the shit out of Duranton there. The other one is that, well, apparently he did not like to sell very much. He's super impressive on offense, but he gave Duranton nearly nothing and looked stiff selling (for the very short while he did). Duranton was pretty funny, especially vocal spots as told by Roger Couderc, who's just a great pro-wrestling announcer (who knew jackshit about it, he was a rugby specialist like you'd figure hearing his accent, but was so smooth and so funny with his one-liners and ridiculously partial announcing that he became the iconic catch announcer of the era). Best one, when the ref tells him "Duranton, break the hold", Bobby acts totally appalled and almost shocked and replies "MISTER Duranton, break the hold !". So yeah, fun stuff, but Carpentier really ate him alive, Bruiser Brody style. I mean, not selling was also a way to become a big star, as obviously he was.