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Have you seen his TNA stuff ? I can't really recommend anything specific, but he showed up in late 2011 (along with Aries) and from the few weeks of TV I've seen, he was really really good as a grumpy bitter veteran. Best version of Kid Kash I've seen.

No I don't. I mean, I'm not gonna argue endlessly like I did in the past to "defend" my picks and tastes, I don't feel I have to anymore. If someone gets something, anything, out of whatever I put the focus on, good for that person. I'm glad I was able to share the love. I also don't think I'm able to express myself as well I'd want to sometimes in term of explaining why this or that. And I probably don't have the energy anymore either honestly, although I still get bursts of posting like a maniac (which is never a very good sign in term of what it says about my mental state at that time, really ) ! Like I said, I don't intend on doing any negative posting in the context of the next GWE. And I won't feel obligated to do anything really. It has to be fun, and that's about it.

The same. I'm too old for the arguing. I'm not too old yet for the sharing of what I love.

Which is why they really aren't trying. On paper, this is a one match show (the main event). Max Caster ? JD Drake ? Is this a Thunder episode of Dynamite ? Oh anyway, this is Mania week, the spotlight is not gonna be on them anyway. Better off putting on a great show for their first week unopposed instead.

I know. Did not make more sense to me then ! (EDIT : I KNOW what you mean, I just don't agree with it)

It's genius used for getting yourself over and draw crowds and be a big star.

Agreed. And he was also really good in the first UWF, and the way he used to mix the burgeoning shoot-style stuff with straight pro-wrestling spot really foreshadows the bizarre mix of later years in UWF-I or Battlearts. Tiger Mask had issues for sure (yeah, he was sloppy, yes, he did not like to sell a lot although that's how you made yourself a star like Inoki), but there's something about him that goes beyond the gimmick. As far as Brody goes, there's something about what you project. And Brodie projected a dangerous aura. And yes, the fact he did not like to sell much and no-sold after taking bumps absolutely contributed to that aura. All of which made him a star. Maybe that's the "genius" of Brody. (I don't love his stuff, but I always had a soft spot for him)

The constant patronizing is unbearable. This poll is not about giving good taste lessons to people. And some wonder why the GWE last time kinda killed the board...

It's human nature. I understand it on an intellectual level, as I understand nostalgia (although I hate it), but it doesn't make any sense. It's true of pretty much everything. It's just more comfortable, and the "objective" truth of it is just rationalization and confirmation bias. At some point, you either choose to learn from the new generation of adults coming after you, or you just choose to begin every sentence with "Back in my days" and end it with a *sigh*, with an air of disdain for the world of today.

One thing that may play is that there will be more than 25 years of post WCW/Crockett US pro-wrestling then, and almost 35 years of post-territory US pro-wrestling. That's huge. The idea that you always have to come back to what happened 30 to 40 years ago will be such a ridiculous boomer claim (pardon the use, as a boomer myself) that there should be a clean swipe from a generation that won't feel obligated to vote for a now very distant "golden age", from which all candidates will seem as distant to them as the stuff from the 60's were to us ten years ago. (not to mention other elements like a more feminist take on things inducing the rediscovery of classic women wrestling in Japan and current, as in from the past 15 years, US stuff)

No one is a better anything than Hansen, so it's not fair.

His brawling that he wasn't very good at made him one of the biggest draw of his eras and a huge star. I mean, if the argument works for Hogan...

Parts of me would be kinda interested to check out some of this stuff again, because there was a sense of total randomness , which is someone I can always enjoy. Back then I really disliked all these crappy pseudo-MMA guys like Ogawa (who suuuuuucked the life out of Hash, thanks for nothing) and Murakami (who was only good for punching people in the face), as a UWF/RING fan. This was really an odd period with the Zero-1 stuff happening at the same time, Choshu having his little crappy promotion for a while, the Wrestle-1 (the first one, not the Mutoh promotion) stuff with Bob Sapp. Yeah, kinda crazy when you think back. I'm sure there are some hidden fun stuff in there.

Bret. DiBiase. Any other questions ?

I'm not sure Flair is gonna be in my top 20. I have no idea *at all* who my N°1 will end up being. I have no idea where the next five years will lead me, if only because I don't know what those five years will bring in term of great wrestling (and they will). I have no idea how my approach will evolve as I'm watching tons of different stuff. Hell, yesterday I noted a name that I guarantee you *no one* will have in their list, and who is not about great match at all. Maybe the name will end up in my list, maybe not. "It's a marathon, not a sprint"....

Or simpler than that : they don't care. They actively supported a white supremacist, racist pig chauvinist to the White House. Why should they care about what Hogan said ? The crowd should eviscerate Hogan live. Of course they won't because "Ohhh but my childhood memories yaddi yaddi yadda I was a Hulkamaniac blabla fucking blah". It's embarrassing.

Hopefully. However, stuff like this is not good sign : "they haven't been schooled", 'they haven't spend hours having their preconception challenged"... For fuck's sake. The patronizing tone is unbearable already. Gatekeeping and using authority arguments. Talking down to *potential* voters already. Just wonderful.

Not surprised in the least. This kind of attitude is what made last poll a chore for so many people. The next one has not been jumpstarted and already we have to endure the fucking bullshit about "hipsterism" (whatever the fuck that means ie nothing) and "video game generated modern workers" ? I hope we get 20 something years old women voters from TikTok and they have Sasha Banks as n°1 and the 2026 GWE is basically a gigantic "Ok boomer" middle finger to the previous one.

Damn, loving the new avatar.

Thirded. The "goal" for me will be to have the most satisfactory personal list I can at that point. I feel like the 2006 list was really up to where I was then. The 2016 list I was quite dissatisfied with (not to mention the overall results), as it was a mix of stuff from memory, canonical names, names thrown it despite the fact I had not watched nor enjoyed nearly enough to justify their high placement... (and really it wasn't a good time at all for me IRL, I remember I left the board basically a few months before and submitted a list at the last moment) I mean, Jumbo was terrific in the 70's already. But at the exact same time, Jaguar was blowing *everyone* out of the water. She was like ten years ahead of her time in term of, well, everything (and no, I don't say that from memory, I'm slowly diving into the old stuff, some of which I've seen before, tons I haven't).

Yeah that Jewett tape with the Tenryu matches was all over, a best seller. One of the first tapes I got in the late 90's. And yes, I remember the same way about the pimping being focused on the 70 & 90's (Tenryu being clearly considered as 90's work here).

Jumbo in 2006 was a done deal. The awesome stuff over three decades with so many different kind of opponents from the old NWA US style (the Funks) to the more modern Race/Flair/Steamboat generation, to having his ass kicked by Choshu & Yatsu and having to adapt, then kickstarting the next evolution with Tenryu who had adapted quickly to the faster pace to Grumpy Jumbo mentoring the Four Pillars and making Misawa. The case was closed by the mid 00's, Jumbo was *our* guy at Smarckchoice. That's pretty much what I said about how having less footage can actually be an advantage over having too much footage. Me neither. But of course, when times come, I surely will do that if I'm not too lazy and just post +1 under whomever puts the work in. But like you said, it's much easier when there aren't that much great stuff, although at some point having "that much great stuff" has to constitute a de facto argument (for whomever agrees that the output is actually great). Daniel Bryan is gonna win in 2026. You heard it here first. You can quote me. (and my list will most probably have Thesz and Ishii on it)

Fuck me silly. The most I spend for a concert is 30 euros (which suits me because no one charging more interests me in the least). I mean, that is, when we used to have concert...

I don't care about star ratings. I don't do them, I couldn't care less about anyone else's star ratings. I can take last year's G1 matches only and consider this guy as one of the greatest pro-wrestler ever. Ishii is like you put Animal Hamaguchi, Kawada & Tenryu in a blender, and here comes Ishii. That too. That guy's career arc is legit insane. I mean, my list is gonna have Okada, Tanahashi, Omega, Naito, Ishii end up pretty fucking high by the standards of today already. Not to mention Ibushi, White, Ospreay... That crew is gonna get their due. Honestly I don't expect anything nor hope for anything as far as the end result goes, because that's exactly what would make this whole thing a headache. I'm not gonna try to influence anyone either, because it's just kinda annoying to try and force your tastes on others, which is also why I'll refrain to post anything negative about workers I don't care for. I mean, am I gonna waste my time *again* explaining why Jerry Lawler is overrated as fuck (really good though, but that won't get you near my list) ? Nope. Just gonna show love to my favorites and react positively to shared interests.

I watched all that stuff almost 20 years ago. AJ TV from 89 is so much fun. 90, a little bit less so (NJPW TV in 90 was more fun, again, strictly from memory). Jumbo is a guy I've watched so much that I have no idea if I want to revisit some of his stuff. I voted him n°1 last time. I won't vote for my n°1 from memory, no chance of this happening. So either I rewatch some Jumbo (which I may), either he'll probably drop (well, he can't go higher) a bit because I simply won't watch him this time around (shit happens).