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I can't stand weddings, so the idea of a wedding that gets ruined always wins me over. Of course it's pro-wrestling, the wedding IS gonna get ruined anyway. Totally agree. She's great at the little things she does. Really fun character. I also thought it was cool to have Cheerleader Melissa as, well, Cheerleader Melissa to attend from nowhere, it keeps on the tradition of her being a masked character and showing up as herself just for a sequence (same thing in TNA where she was Raisha Saaed yet worked one match under the Cheerleader name at the same time). And yeah, nice twist to just have Ricky watch the carnage. "We want tacos ! " is my new favourite chant. The destruction was tremendous, that wheelchair suplex was one hell of a feat of strenght. Cobb also took great care of Taya on the reverse powerslam. Great segment overall. The XO vs Jack match was fun for what it was, but crap selling in a No Mas match really doesn't work. XO is helpless on the chair yet once he's saved, he's perfectly fine and goes on offense like nothing ? Well, ok. Ryan is so fun though, anywhere else he would have turned on XO, he's just that sleazy looking/acting even on his best behaviour. Can't wait to have a six-person match with these three, should be quite the fun stuff. Yeah, Savage is a waste of time. He's even still doing the hand on the heart stuff, so lazy (likewise the idea of him breaking ankle, so unoriginal after Penta's streak of destruction), but he's not a very inspiring character anyway, so I guess they really had no idea what to do with him. Still his best match thus far, he's totally an decent worker, but they should have put him under a mask and go for an outrageous gimmick.

Dull as fuck on all fronts (character, work, look, promos). Perfect guy to be The Man (but not really, but yes really) of the "Nothing matters anymore" era, I guess.

WTF ? (like this movie needed another reason to suck)

Depends what kind of "pro-wrestling history" you're talking about. Ask any old-school Japanese fan who is the more important, I doubt you'd get the same answer. Hansen was a huge, huge star in a pro-wrestling business that was much hotter than WWE's Cena in their respective context. Anyway, I never saw shit in Jeff Hardy and I don't see him as being very "important" in pro-wrestling history apart from setting really bad exemples in both work and life.

Benoit never became a "top" star, really. And Eddie was ripped as fuck in WWE. Hell both guys were ripped as fuck. That's the typical WWE look.

All that is well good, but he was first and foremost mostly a terrible worker and a shitty promo. What does that says about the fans, I won't go into, but I really couldn't care less about merch sales and "connection" with the fans. The fact is Jeff Hardy in-ring was sloppy as fuck, had terrible basics, was an innovator of that god-awful 00's indieriffic styles with physically awkard looking moves (see also : Edge), he was not a very impressive high flyer either if you really think about it (he was a very stupid one though, loving to bump on tables and chairs from very high places), and most of the Hardys most famous spots are directly copied from RVD/Sabu stuff anyway. Did I mention he was sloppy as fuck and had terrible basics ? I don't see that at all. The current indie-style is a product of 15 years of ROH and Japan fetichism. Jeff Hardy is a product of late 90's backyard Us wrestling, and his style clearly demonstrated it. Jeff Hardy was basically an emo teenage crush version of New Jack, minus the great promos and character. Daniel Bryan, along with CM Punk, changed the way WWE sees indie talents. Samoa Joe vs AJ Styles at SummerSlam, and the entire NXT system as it is today and has been for a few years now, doesn't happen without the Pipe Bomb and Yes ! Yes ! Yes !. That beats the hell out of whatever merch sales statistic.

What is Hardy's "legacy" ? Falling off high places ? And the worst ever "under no condition to perform" appearance ever on a major company PPV ?

https://limousinemusic.bandcamp.com/album/wrestling-wave Well, what more can you say...

New business model of WWE : entertaining dictatures all over the world !

Ratings are down. Attendance is down. Booking is the shits. They make more money than ever before and will keep on making more and more thanks to the TV fees bubble and the Saudi contract. So yeah : it doesn't matter. The WWE has entered into the "too big to fail" era, which is really scary.

Funny how people still talk about Shawn Micheals like the guy could have a great match in 2018. All his last Mania matches were overrated self-conscious epics to begin with, but it's neither here nor there : the guy is 53 years old.

Considering their 2012 act was already a bunch of old people blabbing about their glory from 10/15 years before, basically...

Ah ah ah

Would probably be hilarious, honestly. With CorpseTaker, would be even better. Hey, I did ! Of course it doesn't matter, I was never paying a dime to them to begin with to watch their stuff… That being said, after Mania last year and the crazyness of the whole week-end, I was seriously considering going maybe for my 30 years of being a pro-wrestling fan in 2020. As of now, that idea is deader than Rusev & Lana main eventers career.

Get out of the rasslin' bubble, it has nothing to do with fucking pro-wrestling. It's about getting paid to basically do PR work for a regime which stones "unfaithful" women to death and kills homosexuals. Newsflash : money isn't everything in life. (why am I even responding to this usual trolling act anyway ?)

I would guess so. Still, if he comes back only for a Saudi paycheck after years of refusing to do it, it's one hell of a whoring act.

"Everybody's got a price for the Billion Dollar Men". I wonder if that would actually hurt his popularity in the US, not that it matters.

Agreed. They barely watch and comment the thing, and it's not as good as a regular PPV edition. An ok episode, but nothing to write home about. The best part being Bruce talking about his first Brother Love appearance.

That Jose Gonzalez booker guy sure did.

Eric Bischoff, pro-wrestling superstar.

I actually wasn't even thinking in term of people here, but rather "wrestling characters from the previous decade". But I realize it comes off rather odd Typical case of English not being my native language there.

Total pendulum effect. Miz has overachieved in the last year and a half, maybe two years, so now he's like this great worker that was always great or something. Yep. Before that, the Miz had been a black hole of suck for a long, long time.

And basically acting like the Roadie was to Double J. Yeah. Potential there.

Of course, understood. But still, whining about your own audience on Twitter is lame as fuck. Yep. Except the Stooges were actually funny on-screen characters (and at least one of the greatest mind in pro-wrestling history) . They are more like Chief Jay & Blackjack Lanza, you know, actual stooges, only on Social Media level.

I finally got around it. This show blows the fuck out of any US shows (yeah, read WWE) this year with an inflatable dick, it's not even funny. Everything was at least fun (the celebrity match, and damn if I didn't pop for Jerry Lynn) and mostly good to great (the last three match basically). I can totally see the comparison to Barely Legal, with the fun footnote of the show running late and being cut seconds after it ended (no foot doctor in the locker room arena saving lifes though), as it was really THE show the hardcore wrestling crowd tired of the dull WWE bullshit was waiting for. Guess what, a show that actually catered to its audience and delivered what they paid for. Crazy notion. The atmosphere was everything you'd want for such an event, hot and reacting to everything (they weren't trolled, it helps too). Cody vs Aldi was ok as a match but really cool as an event. Fucking Glacier as a second ! DDP (I realized then I have been listening to this guy almost 6 days out of 7 every week for a year and a half now, I'm so familiar with him !) ! And damn if Brandi is not the hottest woman in pro-wrestling today. Speaking of which, she did a hell of a job with Jay Lethal later on, in the quite funny "I'm not Liz !" bit. I dunno if Lethal is an asshole, but watching him bust out the Savage cosplay in 2018 was really cool, and he's still awesome at it. Lanny Poffo throwing frisbees !!! How in the hell does this not get a dozen stars ? Hangman Page vs Joey Janela was all about dying a graphic death, which I'm all in about. I forgot, this match was great too and ECW as fuck (yeah, let's have a go at Penelope, except it's 2018 so she does kicks ass too). The post match must have made Corny go insane, but what the hell, Dick Druids ? Fuck me I'm there ! All of this in front of 10.000 strong ! This is so great. And then yeah, Omega vs Penta (gotta love how the guy has a bunch of different names and attires wherever he's working) was a terrific sprint, Okada vs Scurll was simply a great match (too long ? naaah, it's too bad it went overlong for the timing of the show but I didn't thing there was one second too much. Okada truly is a master, there's no way around it.) and the final six men was the greatest Nitro cruiserweight opening match ever. I hope none of this guys gets signed with the WWE soon, it's sad enough Rey is going back to that bottomless pit of irrelevance that is modern WWE booking instead of working the Dome in January in a featured match. No idea where this is going, if anywhere (if that's the Barely Legal of its generation, it will go nowhere but I clearly hope not), but this was a great night of pro-wrestling. One week after Triplemania, one month after the G1, a week before the CMLL Anniversary show and more NJ stuff dropping and LU still kicking around. Yeah, this is a great time to be a pro-wrestling fan.