El-P
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Basically the new version of the MX, as Tom Pritchard was supposed to be brought in at one point instead of Lane, I believe. Too bad Lane retired because he got better as time went on. Superb old-school southern tag-team. The last one as a matter of fact.
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LCO. 'nuff said. Okay, maybe not. Short pants. Bloodletting. Mita the enforcer. Shimoda the bitch. Really good 90's style workers during teh first half of the decade, then turned old-school heel in 97 and became the greatest team ever, kicking the shit out of every girl in sight, making them bleed and liking it. Two tremendous workers on their own merits putting 2 and 2 together on how to give back some life to a struggling joshi scene. My favourite tag team ever ? Probably. In the span of two years and a half, pilled up some of the greatest brawl ever. And were already excellent before and quite good after their peak, although they tended to rely more and more on formula (working in GAEA will do that to you). And a great music theme to boot. Yeah, LCO.
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Execution matters to me, a lot, but in case of the Nasties, their sloppiness worked along their character. That doesn't mean I'll praise them for being sloppy though. If they were really good workers, they would project messy chaotic brawling, like the Samoans would. But yeah, it works allright in the end because it fits them.
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[1999-12-09-WCW-Thunder] The Artist Formerly Known As Prince Iaukea and Vampiro
El-P replied to Loss's topic in December 1999
Juvy was insane. Damn, Iaukea was not very good anyway, but working this gimmick really turned his work into crap. Sharmell was the only enjoyable thing about it. -
Their actual match sucked, but this was terrific.
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FMW's booking was insane at the time, as Fuyuki was doing his own version of Attitude era shit, but in a very Japanese way. And yet, Hayabusa and Gannosuke were at the top of their game so you had plenty of terrific matches happening. I could have done without the Kuroda push, as he was quite annoying indeed at times, but Fuyuki era FMW did deliver tons of good stuff in the ring, anal bomb matches & pornstars cameo notwithstanding.
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[1999-12-11-ARSION] Ayako Hamada & AKINO vs Etsuko Mita & Mima Shimoda
El-P replied to Loss's topic in December 1999
A legendary match in my little ARSION fans inner circles back in the days. Yeah, great stuff. Probably the last LCO bloodletting classic too. AKINO was the greatest rookie since Jun Akiyama. I have to rewatch this stuff one day. -
[1999-12-12-WWF-Armageddon] Miss Kitty's Wardrobe Malfunction
El-P replied to Loss's topic in December 1999
WWF fixation on "puppies" at the time was unbearable. Ooooh, we can see boobs for half a second. Awesome isn't it ? Whatever happened to Miss Kitty anyway ? -
Yes. But the matches with Scorp & Bagwell were actually some of my favourites heel Nasties matches, mostly because Scorp was so awesome an opponent for them. It's odd. The Nasties are not what I'd call good workers at all individually, but they were a pretty decent team overall, and since I love tag team wrestling, I enjoy the whole of the Nasties much more than the sum of their parts.
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So, it must be the greatest thing ever (like the borderline racist Kamala gimmick). Snarky comments aside, yeah, Hawk selling the piledriver was annoying. But it's part of the act like Johnny said. You can't piledrive Hawk. Okay. You have to take it or leave it. It's a spot to pop the crowd. it's like Flair's figure four always getting reversed. It makes no sense. But it pops the crowds. But it doesn't come from nowhere and it's not Hawk shitting on his opponents offense. Hawk usually was the one transitionning to selling, often by hitting the post and taking the uge bump outside. Hawk sold. DId he sold like Ricky Morton ? Of course not, because it would have been ridiculous. But he sold.
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Everything the Narcissist gimmick should have been. Liz at her all-time foxyness. One rare occurence where WCW did a WWF gimmick better than the WWF.
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[1999-10-25-WCW-Nitro] Scott Hall & Kevin Nash vs Porn Stars
El-P replied to Loss's topic in October 1999
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Through the 90's yearbooks : LCO (Mima Shimoda & Etsuko Mita) Dan Kroffat & Doug Furnas Heavenly Bodies (both versions) Doom
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I fucking love Marty. Maybe a tendency to love underdogs, beautiful losers and B-sides on my part. Was terrific in the Rockers, and was quite excellent as a single wrestler showing up during the 90's. He's the guy I always to see pushed more during that decade. Always showed up from nowhere and then vanished. And came back from nowhere, was still over and was still delivering teh goods, and went away. Hell, he was still fun when he showed up in WCW in 1998, doing jobs on Thunder. Yeah. At this point I'd rather watch a cool 1995 WWF Superstar Jannetty match than a post comeback Micheals self-conscious epic ("Sorry, I love you… bouhhhhhhh").
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Kevin Sullivan said it best "Someone should have smartened them up.". They really understood tag team psychology, but what a bunch of horrible workers otherwise. Sloppy, dangerous, boring as hell as heels (loooooong control segment chockfull of restholds), awkward (although that played into their favors actually). They had a few really good match and tons of shitty ones too. Worked much better as babyfaces or when someone would beat the shit out of them (that's why the Steiner match is still their best one, although neither team are particulary good, but it they meshed perfectly). Saggs was the workhorse.
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Hawk was actually the worker of the team. Yeah, he no-sold the piledriver. Okay. He still was the one who would bump and sell the most and had the best offense to boot.
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Blackwell ? Yep. Really good.
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If you believe Rick Martel, the old mofo was also hitting very hard in every match. But yeah, coming in with a *real* gameplan is something that not a whole lot of workers actually project efficiently. Bock was one of them. As opposed to Flair, for instance, whose gameplan was to pop the crowd with cool shit. (Ok, enough with the Flair crowd trolling already, I love them both anyway)
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Is Micheal Hayes still employed BTW ?
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And it kinda shows when looking at his matches actually.
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I knew someone was gonna drop Tenryu on my ass. But hey, Tenryu is an odd cat. That being said, at this point I'd rather watch Brock in his 50's than Flair in his 30's. He's just that much more compelling to me (and I'm a Flair fan).
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Considering how great he was at 50, we could assume he smoked Flair in his 30's.
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I remember that horrendous match of his as Iceman in IWA Japan on the King of Death Match card. I do think he had some decent stuff over there though.
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Kinda like the mix between a short One Man Gang and a proto-Mick Foley (those bumps as a heel). So yeah, really good worker. Although he had the very annoying habit as a babyface of doing no-sell hulk up/lawler up comebacks, which always suck no matter who you are. So I prefer him as a heel. Better than Bigelow, no doubt. Vader ? Nah. Decent match. Nothing special at all. It's Blackwell, a ladder and a tool. Granted, that tool took one nice bump at the end, but he really doesn't bring shit in term of anything else, really. DeBeers is like Jimmy Golden with an offensive gimmick.
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We can agree on this. Guido was a better mat-worker, understood how to work a crowd and how to build a match better, not to mention he was more charismatic.