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How do you self-identify as a wrestling fan?
El-P replied to JerryvonKramer's topic in Megathread archive
I'm glad some boards disappeared too, because I had my days as an unbelievable asshole. I would be embarrassed to read some of the stuff I was writing at the time probably. -
I agee with DFA, at this point, I don't see the point of ending the streak. Really, Taker winning was the only real WM great feel good moment this year. And they really have no-one at this point to break the streak, especially after HHH nearly killed Taker and still failed. No-one has the credibility anymore, only The Rock, Austin or Hogan in their prime could do it without seeming forced. And it's not like Taker will work many matches at this point, he could realistically retire after the 20-0 next year. Quite frankly, you wnat a big match, make it Taker's last match and HHH retires if he can't break the streak. And have both retire at the same time. Add to that Rock vs Cena and you get a huge WM.
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How do you self-identify as a wrestling fan?
El-P replied to JerryvonKramer's topic in Megathread archive
A wrestling fan, plain and simple. An old one at that, who would rather watch old WCW Nitros from 98 than WrestleMania 27. Still, after 20 years of spending way to much time watching some much pro-wrestling bullshit, and enjoying the hell out of Misawa vs Kawada classics, Onita getting blown up in electric barbwire, Mick Foley dancing with hot girls & Mr. McMahon on the Love Shack set, enjoying the hell out of watching Sandman drunk brawling in ECW and Scott Steiner's insane promos, I don't see how how I could put it other than just saying "wrestling fan". -
Rock's sharpshooter was pathetic. Scott Steiner's Steiner Recliner looked like he wouldn't hurt a little puppy, the worst camel clutch ever.
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I haven't watched any WWE programs regularly since I stopped watching RAW in 1999, but I feel like Tough Enough will be the first WWE show I'll actually follow. I could watch Austin cut promos on these goofballs all day long. Austin's reaction to Ariane retarded choice of a favourite match was priceless. And I love the fact that Michelle girl thinks she's a 11 year veteran. Fantastic. This si so much better than WrestleMania. Plus I heard "wrestling" and "belts" and a WWE TV show.
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What's *really* silly is that they basically built toward a Rock vs Cena confrontation at this year's WM, which didn't really happen. Then after a month of cutting promos on each others and The Rock basically murdering Cena, they shake hands, show mutual respect and say "we'll have a match in one year". WTF.
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Great description. If that's what passes as a modern-day wrestling "Classic", I don't feel like I'm missing much at all. Because it's not wrestling. It's "entertainment".
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They better not screw that up then. I have no faith, of course. It was an entirely different era too, with 4 PPV a year, angles taking months to unfolds. I don't see how it can be done nowadays to be honest. They don't remember what they did the previous month, and Vince is alwyas changing is mind about everything. They couldn't do the blow-off of Lawler vs Cole right. And Rocky won't be around all the time. They have a better chance of doing this if Rocky shows up once at SummerSlam to fuck with Cena, then from Royal Rumble on to WM next year. Anyway, this also screams "we can't make new stars" to me, they rely on The Rock two years in a row, and their other workhorse and big attraction is Taker.
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Now that I actually listen to the shows, I find some of the remarks in this thread as goofy as some of Meltzer's remarks. Really, he said he thought there would be tons of "wrestling" signs because the Wrestlemania audience is hardcore (also that statement makes me raise en eyebrow...), but then admitted that really, the pourcentage of fans getting on the Internet to get all the insider news is zilch. I get the feeling 10 years ago, there would have been tons of "wrestling" signs indeed. Today's audience is just not the smart mark one like during the Monday Night Wars, when people on WWF shows would have signs for Flair during the Bischoff lawsuit deal etc... I got a big kick of the fact the world "wrestling" doesn't exist in the WWE Universe, but the word "Wrestle" was on camera all the freaking time for 4 hours... Not at all schyzophrenic.
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This South Park episode was extremely pertinent.
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So, they are planning Rock vs Cena for next year ? So much can happen to derail this, it's pretty much risky. And it really makes this WM looks like another RAW episode in retrospect.
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Well, smaller breasts or not, that picture confirm my impression of her looking a bit anorexic. She looked a lot healthier during her WWF days. She needs a sandwich.
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She had her implants removed right after she retired last time, so that's one big reason why she looks thinner. Amazing. That's an odd world we live in. I would never have guessed. I admit fast forwarding through the match after Trish's entrance, but yeah, she didn't seem like much of a big deal. Also, I was very underwhelmed by The Rock's use in general. I thought he would be all over the show, not just doing two or three stupid vignettes backstage. I understand he did pretty much the same things he did here on RAW the previous week ?
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Two more things about this show : they managed to kill off the Royal Rumble once and for all with this one. Winning the Rumble allows you to be in the opening match for a title that is named "World Title" but realistically seems like the old IC title to me. The other thing which struck me :everything looks like it was back in 2001, only cleaner and with more money thrown around. But really, the product looks exactly the same in term of presentation. Including the same shitty backstage vignettes (oh, that Snoop Dog stuff was awful), and unfunny jokes involving Mae Young. Think how much things evolved between WM 7 and WM 17. And how few things changed really in the mast 10 years. When the big match of the show was HHH vs Taker (because let's be honest, Cena vs Miz didn't had the aura of a WM main event at all), and the biggest stars objectively were The Rock and Steve Austin, all of it feels a bit odd to me. Someone who wouldn't have watched WWE since WM17 would probably got the impression that the stars of yesterday are still the only stars, and that really, the product became totally stale and didn't evolved much if at all. And really, I followed things enough to know that Rey, Jack Swagger, Randy Orton an CM Punk are all former World or WWE champion. But do you really get that feeling when you see them that they are any kind of big stars ? I certainly I don't. Whic also means title don't mean jackshit, the stars are still the same old same old from 10 years ago. And the only big star they produced since then, Cena, as already been around on top longer than Austin and Rock. Really, no wonder why I get that feeling of total boredom and dullness. If you add the overproducing and the mediocre work, well, I guess I'll never get back to watch US wrestling, which is sad. I used to have so much fun doing so, despite the silliness, despite the crap. Well, the utter crap is still out there with TNA of course but I'm not masochistic.
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I understand, although to me it's not really a matter of protecting finishers. It's more that really, that match was finisher, kick out, "sell" (which in that case looked more like "rest"), finisher, kick out, "sell", rince, repeat ad nauseam,, which is not what I call good work at all. Then again, Meltzer did like the match.
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Although I totally disagree about Meltzer on how he thinks it was a great match, he still made a great point about how if the same match move for move happened on a ROH show with indy guys as opposed to WM with Taker and HHH, everybody in the WWE locker room would dismiss these guys as "not knowing how to work" and basically just kicking out of finishers back and forth. Well, it was better than their terrible 2001 match at least.
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Have any of these guys ever had good matches?
El-P replied to JerryvonKramer's topic in Megathread archive
That's what made WCW so great to me. For no reason at all you could get Mike Enos or Mickey Whipreck on PPV. Or Silver King. I loved this WAResque randomness on WCW programs. And yes, Konnan was just terrible at every turn. Part of my top 5 worst wrestler of 1998 in WCW. In good company. He did had some watchable matches against a few mexican workers, but that's about it. -
Well, if that's what considered a "very good wrestling show" by 2011 standarts, I must agree with WWE's policy of removing teh word wrestling from their logo once and for all. I hadn't watch a full WWE card since WM two years ago. Man... First though after the show : who booked this shit ? Second thoughts : the best moments were Rocky's promo, Rocky facing off with Austin, and Austin giving a few stunners around. Man, this new guys are all dull as dirt, and the wrestling is flat as hell. Edge is just a terrible wrestler, there's nothing to add about him. I like Alberto Del Rio's character. He doesn't seem too great in the ring, but at least he's got a personnality. Match was average at best. Rey Rey vs Cody Rhodes was decent, but man, Cody Rhodes is as dull as it comes, and what the fuck was this angle with the mask? Awful stuff. And I really laugh at the concept Rey turned into this great storyteller in WWE. What I see is an aging Rey doing the same spots, only slower, and building an entire match (and angle) around a terrible WWE marketed spot. CM Punk vs Randy Orton was the best match of the show, by far, thanks to Punk, who looks like the best worker in the company by a huge margin. Orton is still a black hole, nice to see. He has to be the most manufactured, forced character I've seen, I don't believe his "I'm slowwwww because I'm eeeeevil" act one second. That said, his selling was excellent here, and they did some really good spots and teases. Still, since I'm currently deeply immerged into WCW 1998, I saw the Diamond Cutter, sorry, the RKO, from the top rope coming from miles away. But a really good match though, the only one of the show. Punk is excellent. Orton should send some money to DDP. Man, Sunny looks great, good for her. I don't know who the Core are, they basically look all the same, and from the vibe I get from this match, they are jobbers with the IC (didn't know this thing still existed, but the World Title is the IC title, at least that's what I got from the opening match) and tag titles. Nice to see Kane still has the all time worst lariat from the top rope. What was next already ? Oh, yeah, that debacle of Lawler vs Cole. From all I heard about great built and anticipation, seems like this was put together by the same guy who put together Bret vs Vince from last year. Awful stuff. And really, Lawler does look old, not at all what I was expecting. Still, the dropkick was great, it's too bad those WWE douchebag wouldn't let him piledrive Cole's ass three time in a row after 5 minutes of him getting killed, which was the only thing to do. So yeah, who booked this shit ? As much as JR got annoying during the Attitude era, the announcing was so bad that him showing up just took the announcing of the show in another stratosphere. Seriously, why isn't he doing this job ? And the ring announcer is just as the rest of the product is : dull, clean, manufactured. You hear the Fink introduce the Hall of Famer and you get another vibe. Yes, he's old, and fat, and bald. So what ? He should at the very least do the introductions for the main matches. Triple H vs Taker was straight out of 1999-2000, and I was already fast forwarding these matches back then. Plus it had the super formulaïc "WWE EPIC WRESTLEMANIA MATCH" stamp into it, complete with kicking out of finishers and trying your opponent's finisher. Does absolutely nothing for me. Taker's entrance was awesome though. I didn't bother watching anything beside Trish Stratus entrance, is it me or does she look a bit aneroxic ? I have no idea who "Snooki" is, nor do I care. Man, Cena has another funky entrance. SO, this guy, The Miz, wharever that means, is main eventing Wrestlemania ? And winning it to boot ? WBTS ? Another dull as dirt guy with very limited actual wrestling ability. It shows that all those guy come from the same mold, and it's a mold I'll be happy to break down right now. I kinda like Cena, he's not very good mechanicaly, he looks like a goof, but he's got shitloads of charisma, especially if you're 10 year old I guess, and he works his ass off. But still, The Miz ? Really ? And the only thing they figured to involve the Rock was a *draw*, so The Rock was there to restart the match, only to turn on Cena (which again, was obvious), which allowed that flat heel to win ? So the end WM on The Rock ? Man, felt like a complete nostalgia enfing to me. Really, after watching this, I'll be happy to never watch another WWE event again, although that probably won't happen because I will watch Taker's last match whenever that happens, but if this is what passes for good wrestling in 2011, then yes, WWE isn't wrestling. Either I'm an old bitter guy, either that show really was dull and flat, and full of dull and flat wrestling matches. I tend to think I'm not bitter.... But yeah, it really didn't do it for me, and the way things were booked doesn't indicate any bright future for wrestling, it was all about nostalgia, more than WCW ever was. God bless old footage yet to discover.
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Funny, WM8 was also the first one I saw. Loved the setting, loved Shawn vs Matador, Bret vs Piper and Flair vs Savage.
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Have any of these guys ever had good matches?
El-P replied to JerryvonKramer's topic in Megathread archive
Oh, I can't wait to get into 1999 WCW. -
Have any of these guys ever had good matches?
El-P replied to JerryvonKramer's topic in Megathread archive
There are limits to what I'm going to do for you guys. BUT, there are Rick Martel, Booker, Jericho, Hall, Jarrett, Steiner, DDP and Luger matches. Not a ton to work with. The Martel match is only remarkable because Martel was coming back from knee surgery after he blew it out against Booker (who also gave him a concussion earlier on), and Stevie Ray fucked up Martel's neck. Which led to Martel's retirement. Stevie Ray is easily one of the worst worker I've came across. Really good on the mic though. -
Hopefully the 95 yearbook will include "It's not hot ! / There are no Hulkamaniacs here !".
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I guess they are progressively trying to erase the "word that shalll not be pronounced" once and for all. Too fucking bad it's WRESTLEmania week-end.
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Watching the documentary right now. It's so full of bullshit from the get go I don't know if I'll be able to get through this, despite being interesting in the backsatge stuff. One thing I hate about WWE documentary, is how the just put annoying background music *all the freaking time*.
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Poor Billy Graham. He still thinks Bob Backlund never drew a dime and was afraid of him...