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It's called an accident. Why am I not surprised ?

Thanks for the answer. On the same show, the debut of the Samoan Swat Team, and man did they murdered two jobbers. Funny how I talked about the Demos offense looking weak and dull, and then I'm watching those WCW shows from 89 and there are the Road Warrior who just obliterate people, the Varsity Club who look a thousand time more brutal and vicious than the Demos ever did, and now the SST who were always awesome at working squashes. I have to mention that Jim Ross, who I think was much better here than during his UWF days (less screaming, less college sports references), really sucked here, mixing Fatu and Samu twice, and calling fatu's awesome splash from the top rope a "flying headbutt", then fumbled and uttered the word "bodyslam". Ugh... Totally forgot than Dan Spivey was a part of the Varsity Club at one point. Didn't quite fit the gimmick.

Who the hell was Vincent Young ? White guy with stache who did some acrobatics and breakdanced, with Los Gringos Locos looking long tights. Plus he got shit on by the studio audience, who cheered for jobber Trent Kight instead of the young debuting supposed star.

Oups, sorry then. Reading too fast, thinking too slow. Ouch.

Keep an eye out for Billy Gunn jobbing to the Road Warriors as Kip Montana. I will !

I have no idea where you got that impression form, especially since most posters on this board are older than on many wrestling boards. Hell, I sure watched all the Money Inc. there is to watch, and barely anything from Beer Money, for obvious reasons (TNA, argh !). Money Inc. was two guys passed their prime, Beer Money is two young guys probably in theirs. Oustide of the name, I don't see much similarities at all. Money Inc. didn't exactly set the world on fire and is pretty much a sport on tag team wrestling radar.

You mean the most recognizable fat ass of course. The man could work though.

Clash of the Champions 5 : Ricky Steamboat with his ugly baby in the arms. Ric Flair dressed like a pimp with 5 lovely young ladies in evening gowns. Hum... Steamboat kinda was a lame-ass face in this feud, even for the time period. I think the guys in the audience would rather be Flair, and the ladies rather be with Flair, so that let you with the support of the kids only. Well, it's 1989 and the southern audience, so Flair still gets mostly booed, but still, Steamboat is as uncool as it gets here. Also, Hiro Matsuda was the useless manager ever here. I din't understand why they thought he was needed to take the place of Dillon (who I guess left for the WWF at this time), Flair really didn't need anyone. Of course, depsite the über family man gimmick of Steamboat, the feud is pretty awesome. How many masked JTTS could Jack Victory work in one night ? Russian Assassin #2, Blackmailer... He was a trooper.

More look-alike jobbers on WCW in 89 : Mike Thor, looking like Jerry Lawler, complete with the one elbowpad and the punches (well, at least he tries).

It's not even nostalgia, I had never seen those before. My knowledge of WCW pre-Nitro eras is pretty much PPV's I watched online in the last 6 years. Never saw any pre 96 Saturday Nights. I don't think it's me getting older, I think it's wrestling turning into shit in the 00's, and watching a good fresh (to me) program is much more fun than try to go through those dull as dirt WWE shows or those retarded TNA cards.

Getting into WCW TV from 1989, and I get a kick out pf a lot of little things : the infamous Randy Hogan jobber who looked like Hogan with Savage's kneepads and boots; Dave Heath (aka Gangrel) as a young and fat jobber squashed by Abby. Despite the numerous squash matches, watching those old NWA episodes is so much fun nowadays. Great promos galore (Flair, Sullivan, RW, Cornette, Heyman), cool squashes from the Varsity Club (Sullivan was always an awesome squash match worker) and the Road Warriors, a few really good competitive matches. Why isn't wrestling like this anymore ?...

The mere fact that the company was called TNA is a joke that wrote itself. They couldn't think of an acronym that wasn't embarrasing to begin with ? One that would include the world wrestling and would not evoque tits & ass ?

Dixie Carter is a retard. It's disgusting that this man makes a living, and a good one at that, while he is fucking horrible at his job and has a proven record of being a disaster for the last 13 years. Life is unfair. Politics and cooptation > talent.

Yep. This is called responsability. Life is way too fragile.

Ditto. Drugs are everywhere since the beginning of humanity. As long as you don't do harm to someone else and are responsible with it, I'm not one to judge. The only severe issue is addiction, but that's a different thing. Until they become addict, and then, it's big trouble. I've dealt with a girl with an alchohol issue, and it can break you and the entourage down. It's truly a destructive thing. I guess. Marijuana should be legalized yesterday. It's ridiculous, it's the least dangerous and addictive drugs of all. Tobacco is a poison. Alcohol is a billion time more dangerous, yet any fucker can ger wasted, take his car and kill a family, or come back home and hit his girlfriend. I've never heard of something killing other people because he smoked pot. And understand me, I'm not even a consummer. I never had a cigarette in my life and never did any drugs. I just drink socially, and even then, very hard to get wasted because I have a pretty strong resistance to alcohol and because I usually know when to stop (and doesn't enjoy the hangover one bit). I know I have somewhat of an addictive nature, so that keeps me away from trying anything although the tentation has been there from time to time. I reported my addictive instinct on others, much less risky things instead.

I've seen a few Abrams UWF, and while it wasn't exactly good, it looked like an old territory with past their prime veterans. Plus it didn't last, and was barely a spot on the map of wrestling. TNA has been around since 2002, is officially the second company in the US and really, the only "major" one next to WWE, although not in the same Universe, pun intended. I truly can't stand WWE's product, and as much as I would love to support an alternative, TNA is probbaly the worst "big" promotion ever. The fact that Vince Russo still has a job, that they hired Bischoff in spite of his track records is just mind exploding at this point. Good for the wrestlers who can make a living out of it, and I don't mean the girls since at some point the champ had to have a real job on the side, but it's just a fucking horrible wrestling company. Jeff Jarrett has learned exactly nothing from his father.

Less annoying, but stupider. Drinking alcohol doesn't equal getting wasted though. Two fine glass of wine while having diner, a fresh beer in a cool bar or a few glass of champain don't do any harm.

"Purity" claims are the most ridiculous things ever, in every way. How not drinking alcohol makes you "better" than someone who does ? I have nothing against "straight edge" per say, although there's a "holyer than thou" taste to it I don't particulary like from people preaching it (well, than can be said for any kind of preaching...). Plus, as long as they don't hurt anyone else, what people do in their private life is nobody's business. On the topic at hand, I think Punk is totally right to complain about being harrassed at the freaking dentist. There's a time for everything.

Last week on 4FD, Konnan was the guest and he asked if Terry Taylor being fired from TNA was about the sexual harrassment case. The he went on about how Taylor already was involved in such things in the past but always went through the net. Anybody knows about this ? It was reported that Taylor was a weasel and a stooge before, but that's the first I hear of sexual harrassment.

A bit pathetic indeed. Too many chairshots to the head.

Well, Goulet is 78 and still alive, so good for him.

Totally agree. It's supposed to be an athletic contest, a fight. Shit happens, not everything works like it should, accident occur. Make it a part of your match instead of wanting to "put your shit in". Another great exemple is Gladiator vs Kanemura in 1996 in FMW, Gladiator totally botches a plancha and his knee get stuck between the ropes. Kanemura reacts instantly, takes a chair and hit repetively Gladiator's knee while he's stuck there. It takes a while for him to get out, but then he sells the knee and it's a big part of the story of the match. They turned a blown spot into a big dramatic and dynamic positive. For all the shit Sabu takes, him blowing spots never bothered me because he didn't do it nearly as often as it's been said, plus his spots were supposed to be dangerous and difficult so blowing them was a possibility, and finally I've seen him do the Inoue trick of blowing spots on purpose and using it as variations. Rewatching ECW opened my eye on Sabu, the guy was way better than he's regarded now.

And I think you made a fine point of explaining why you felt the way you did about the Demos, and if I ever got back to watch old WWF it'll certainly be something I'll have in mind.

Wasn't poor or boring. It was usually well timed and calculated to get maximum effect. You've already admitted you have not watched the matches in a long time and have no intention to rewatch them. Come on, don't talk to me like the Demos had some special offense that escaped from my mind for fuck's sake. I've seen countless Demos matches over the last 20 years, enough to consider that their offense was boring, dull and weak looking to me. I don't need to refresh my memory on everything you know. I haven't watched a Mariko Yoshida match in 8 years probably, I don't need to refresh my memory to know how awesome she was at submission and matwork.

Because Arn & Tully, the Harts or the Rockers needs someone to bring structure to their matches. What Demos brought that bring the match down is poor and boring offense. Like I said, the Nasties are worse mechanics, but their recklessness and sloppiness at least produce some aura of actual violence and chaos, whereas the Demos are just blah to me on offense. Not a whole lot more dangerous looking than the Honky Tonk Man except for a few occasional good lariats. The "structure and storytelling" aspect doesn't matter to me if the wrestling kinda suck or is boring and dull. I'd rather have an entertaining goofy spotfest or trainwreck than a well structured boring match with no interesting wrestling (and by wrestling I don't mean "technical wrestling", I also mean good brawling etc...). And the Demos on offense were rather sleep inducing to me.