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  1. 80 - Southern Boys (Tracy Smothers & Steve Armstrong) Points: 38 #1 Votes: 0 #2 Votes: 0 #3 Votes: 0 Top 10 Votes: 1 # of Ballots: 3 Average Vote: 13.333 High Vote: 6 (Paul Völsch) Low Vote: 23 79 - Ted DiBiase & Stan Hansen Points: 41 #1 Votes: 0 #2 Votes: 0 #3 Votes: 0 Top 10 Votes: 1 # of Ballots: 3 Average Vote: 12.333 High Vote: 7 (kbc) Low Vote: 18 78 - Samoan Swat Team (Samu & Fatu) Points: 42 #1 Votes: 0 #2 Votes: 0 #3 Votes: 0 Top 10 Votes: 1 # of Ballots: 4 Average Vote: 15.5 High Vote: 7 (f) Low Vote: 24 77 - The Islanders (Haku & Tonga) Points: 45 #1 Votes: 0 #2 Votes: 0 #3 Votes: 0 Top 10 Votes: 0 # of Ballots: 6 Average Vote: 18.5 High Vote: 12 (Dylan Harris) Low Vote: 24 76 - Los Guerreros (Eddie & Chavo Jr) Points: 45 #1 Votes: 0 #2 Votes: 0 #3 Votes: 0 Top 10 Votes: 1 # of Ballots: 4 Average Vote: 15 High Vote: 5 (Trust Issues) Low Vote: 23 75 - Dynamic Duo (Gino Hernandez & Chris Adams) Points: 47 #1 Votes: 0 #2 Votes: 0 #3 Votes: 0 Top 10 Votes: 1 # of Ballots: 5 Average Vote: 16.6 High Vote: 6 (JazeUSA) Low Vote: 24 74 - Bucaneros (Pirata Morgan, El Hombre Bala, Jerry Estrada) Points: 47 #1 Votes: 0 #2 Votes: 1 #3 Votes: 0 Top 10 Votes: 0 # of Ballots: 3 Average Vote: 13.66 High Vote: 2 (A Stock) Low Vote: 23 73 - MNM (Johnny Nitro & Joey Mercury) Points: 49 #1 Votes: 0 #2 Votes: 0 #3 Votes: 0 Top 10 Votes: 0 # of Ballots: 6 Average Vote: 17.83 High Vote: 12 (Jimmy Redman) Low Vote: 24 72 - Bobby Eaton & Sweet Brown Sugar Points: 49 #1 Votes: 0 #2 Votes: 0 #3 Votes: 0 Top 10 Votes: 2 # of Ballots: 3 Average Vote: 10 High Vote: 5 (KrisZ) Low Vote: 17 71 - The Von Erichs (Kerry & Kevin) Points: 50 #1 Votes: 0 #2 Votes: 0 #3 Votes: 0 Top 10 Votes: 0 # of Ballots: 6 Average Vote: 17.66 High Vote: 11 (Danish Dynamite) Low Vote: 25
  2. 99 - Mr. Fuji & Masa Saito Points: 15 #1 Votes: 0 #2 Votes: 0 #3 Votes: 0 Top 10 Votes: 0 # of Ballots: 2 Average Vote: 18.5 High Vote: 14 (JerryVonKramer) Low Vote: 23 98 - Steven Regal & Dave Taylor Points: 17 #1 Votes: 0 #2 Votes: 0 #3 Votes: 0 Top 10 Votes: 0 # of Ballots: 2 Average Vote:17.5 High Vote: 17 (Phil Rippa) Low Vote: 18 97 - Rick Martel & Tony Garea Points: 17 #1 Votes: 0 #2 Votes: 0 #3 Votes: 0 Top 10 Votes: 0 # of Ballots: 3 Average Vote: 20.33 High Vote: 15 (JerryVonKramer) Low Vote: 25 96 - Badd Company (Paul Diamond & Pat Tanaka) Points: 18 #1 Votes: 0 #2 Votes: 0 #3 Votes: 0 Top 10 Votes: 0 # of Ballots: 2 Average Vote: 17 High Vote: 13 (Trust Issues) Low Vote: 21 95 - Dream Team (Greg Valentine & Brutus Beefcake) Points: 18 #1 Votes: 0 #2 Votes: 0 #3 Votes: 0 Top 10 Votes: 0 # of Ballots: 2 Average Vote: 17 High Vote: 11 (Kelly Nelson) Low Vote: 23 94 - Ragin & Ravishing (Manny Fernandez & Rick Rude) Points: 19 #1 Votes: 0 #2 Votes: 0 #3 Votes: 0 Top 10 Votes: 0 # of Ballots: 5 Average Vote: 22.2 High Vote: 17 (Danish Dynamite) Low Vote: 25 93 - Lex Luger & Sting Points: 19 #1 Votes: 0 #2 Votes: 0 #3 Votes: 0 Top 10 Votes: 0 # of Ballots: 2 Average Vote: 16.5 High Vote: 14 (Ismael Retana) Low Vote: 19 92 - North South Connection (Dick Murdoch & Adrian Adonis) Points: 19 #1 Votes: 0 #2 Votes: 0 #3 Votes: 0 Top 10 Votes: 1 # of Ballots: 1 Average Vote: 7 High Vote: 7 (ChuckSkumm) Low Vote: 7 91 - Faces of Fear (Meng & The Barbarian) Points: 20 #1 Votes: 0 #2 Votes: 0 #3 Votes: 0 Top 10 Votes: 0 # of Ballots: 4 Average Vote: 21 High Vote: 15 (Beast) Low Vote: 25
  3. 115 - Invaders Points: 4 #1 Votes: 0 #2 Votes: 0 #3 Votes: 0 Top 10 Votes: 0 # of Ballots: 1 Average Vote:22 High Vote: 22 (El Boricua) Low Vote: 22 114 - The Armstrongs (Scott & Steve) Points: 5 #1 Votes: 0 #2 Votes: 0 #3 Votes: 0 Top 10 Votes: 0 # of Ballots: 1 Average Vote: 21 High Vote: 21 (Dean Rasmussen) Low Vote: 21 113 - Brian Pillman & The Z-Man Points: 6 #1 Votes: 0 #2 Votes: 0 #3 Votes: 0 Top 10 Votes: 0 # of Ballots: 1 Average Vote: 20 High Vote: 20 (LordMo) Low Vote: 20 112 - The Jersey Triad (Bam Bam, DDP, & Kanyon) Points: 7 #1 Votes: 0 #2 Votes: 0 #3 Votes: 0 Top 10 Votes: 0 # of Ballots: 1 Average Vote: 19 High Vote: 19 (Trust Issues) Low Vote: 19 111 - Johnny Ace & Steve Williams Points: 7 #1 Votes: 0 #2 Votes: 0 #3 Votes: 0 Top 10 Votes: 0 # of Ballots: 1 Average Vote:19 High Vote: 19 (microstatistics) Low Vote: 19
  4. 120 - Marcus Bagwell & Too Cold Scorpio Points: 2 #1 Votes: 0 #2 Votes: 0 #3 Votes: 0 Top 10 Votes: 0 # of Ballots: 1 Average Vote: 24 High Vote: 24 (Mando>Eddie) Low Vote: 24 119 - East-West Connection (Jesse Ventura & Adrian Adonis) Points: 2 #1 Votes: 0 #2 Votes: 0 #3 Votes: 0 Top 10 Votes: 0 # of Ballots: 1 Average Vote: 24 High Vote: 24 (Shane) Low Vote: 24 118 - Destruction Crew (Wayne Bloom & Mike Enos) Points: 3 #1 Votes: 0 #2 Votes: 0 #3 Votes: 0 Top 10 Votes: 0 # of Ballots: 2 Average Vote: 24.5 High Vote: 24 (Andrew Lacelle) Low Vote: 25 117 - Nick Bockwinkel & Masa Saito Points: 3 #1 Votes: 0 #2 Votes: 0 #3 Votes: 0 Top 10 Votes: 0 # of Ballots: 1 Average Vote: 23 High Vote: 23 (Childs) Low Vote: 23 116 - The Rat Pack (Ted Dibiase, Matt Borne, & Jim Duggan) Points: 4 #1 Votes: 0 #2 Votes: 0 #3 Votes: 0 Top 10 Votes: 0 # of Ballots: 2 Average Vote: 24 High Vote: 23 (Darryl M) Low Vote: 25
  5. Did not like this match. Douglas learning to respect the TV title is a good story, but it's not the story the match told. His promo at the end seems to come from a completely different show. Full of good spots, but didn't flow together as a cohesive whole for me. Scorpio is one of those guys I just don't get. His prideful refusal to cover after hitting three straight moves would have worked much better by someone with more charisma. As would his terrible top rope decision at the end. As it was, none of that stuff mattered at the end of the match thanks to Douglas' robotic non-reaction to Scorpio's cockiness.
  6. How fitting that two people will reveal the tag team list. Just as a teaser.... 120 teams made the list. 11 others received no votes. 4 others received a vote, but were not nominated. More to come...
  7. And if you need any assistance LowBlow, I'm happy to help.
  8. Awesome match. Doink's stooging and viciousness was entertaining to watch and Perfect was a good foil. I'm not a huge fan of face Perfect, but there was great chemistry here as Doink was so easy to despise. The finish with the two Doinks and Crush makes me wish they had run with the two Doinks as an actual tag team. Whether this was Keirn or Lombardi, they totally dove into the part with the same fantastic mannerisms. Love heel Doink.
  9. Yeah, I'm not going to use Slater as my hill to die on since Sandow is a much better example. I'm waiting to see if he does any post-release shoot interviews because that whole situation really bothers me. I totally forgot he was a Money In The Bank winner at one point.
  10. Why? Miz is a better worker than him, better promo than him and actually draws real heat in 2016. Miz should absolutely make more money than him. Only reason Slater still has a job is because he's supposedly safe and really good at bumping and jobbing. Thus, Slater is important to the company. They've made him the mouthpiece of multiple factions that fulfill a specific role and make other wrestlers look good. Slater has drawn fan reactions in all of his lower card gimmicks much like Sandow. But he's been slotted as a low card guy and will likely never get a chance to earn bigger money despite good at his job. And Miz gets chance after chance to be at least at the IC level despite not being a business changer in the least. It's been ten years since he was called up and I couldn't use all my fingers to count how many memorable moments or matches he's had. And I didn't say Slater shouldn't be paid less, I said it shouldn't be far less. And he's just one example. The big picture isn't "everyone should make the same", it's WWE underpays much of its roster through low salaries or at least by not picking up hotel and rental car costs.
  11. I don't know about all of it, but there is something to be said about guys who get over, but don't get pushed so they don't get higher wages. I'm thinking specifically of wrestlers like Ryder or Sandow who connected with the crowd at various points, but the company decided they weren't what they wanted in top wrestlers. I'd assume their salaries are/were in the lower half of the roster. He's also right that it "takes two to tango" and have an entertaining match, but I don't think automatically means everyone has to make the same. But a Heath Slater shouldn't be making a couple hundred thousand or more less than a Miz because of placement on the card. Frankly if the brand is the draw now, no one other than the biggest names should be getting 2 or 3x more than other midcarders.
  12. I don't understand this. If I don't like Lucha, why would I rank Lucha wrestlers on a Greatest Wrestler Ever list? Am I supposed to realize Negro Casas is a top competitor even if I don't like his matches? And if I do like him, how do I rank him against wrestlers who I enjoy so much more? It's not baseball where there are stats that can act as objective reasoning why one person is better than another. It's possible to like wrestlers that represent a style I don't go crazy over, but then it's like am I ranking Casas because people say he's great or because I personally think he's better than other people on my list? It's not a favorites list, but that has to play some part in it. As mentioned before, I didn't rank guys like Misawa and Kobashi because there's no way I could put them on my list without the reason being "Everyone says they are great, therefore they must be in my top 25". I wish I could have, but for this list I honestly couldn't do it. But I'll keep trying to explore new areas. And saying people who didn't do that should have voted is BS and you know that. In that case, just get your 20 best wrestling buddies and make a niche list so you can show us all what it should have looked like. I'm re-watching the entire summer of 1989 NWA on Youtube right now as the beginning of my follow-up journey to this list. Soon I'll be watching the Funk/Hansen matches and so on and so on. This list is going to influence my viewing habits for the next decade. If it doesn't have the same impact on some of you, it's all good. But let's not act like the list was a test of "real fandom" vs "lazy fandom". Can't we all just get along?
  13. If anything, your presence is more necessary than ever to act as a devil's advocate to the growing crowd you speak of. There's nothing wrong with disagreeing with things. You gotta take your number one vote ending up at number 2 on the main list as a big victory. I put Funk one spot higher than Flair myself and I wouldn't have dreamed of it beforehand if it wasn't for discussions you played a part in. Hopefully, once the list stops being the new shiny toy everyone is focused on, guys less happy with it can move on and not let it negatively impact the way they view the entire board.
  14. Please!
  15. Not much to it.
  16. He's the Eddie of this list.
  17. So the top 5 is completely different the 2006 top 5.
  18. Will Liger end up beating Misawa to be the top Japanese wrestler? The three big names ended up in reverse order this time. And the only guy making the top 6 again from ten years ago is Liger.
  19. Now I want a Randy Savage vs. Bret Hart thread that's just as awful and cantankerous as the Flair/Bret one. Would be my #2 vs #1.
  20. I had Arn Anderson at 18 and after watching his early weekly Four Horsemen work on the network, I am confident he belongs around that ranking. Dude had it all. The most consistent roleplayer of all time. Could do serious or comedic as well as anyone. Just watched his antics stealing the TV title from Dusty and I'm bowled over by how charismatic and fascinating he is. And his work in the ring is just so damn on point. Everything he does makes sense and seems like an amplified version of how a match might play out in the cartoon world of pro wrestling. Very happy to see him in the top 20.
  21. This is it in a nutshell.
  22. He did, 169.
  23. I know it's not indictive of anything, but I was surprised his recommended matches were all post-comeback. Also happy Bret has won the battle of 90s WWF guys who many feel are overrated thanks to being shining stars during a low point.
  24. Ha, I can handle that. I was thinking more in terms of "celebrity fame" vs. "wrestling fan appreciation". But Bridges is practically perfect for Dustin.
  25. Dustin Rhodes could be like a Kevin Costner. Periods of being one of the best in the world (ability for Rhodes, star-power for Costner) followed by a big drop in quality. Made strides over the past decade with a comeback that at least puts them in the role of a consistently strong supporting player. Bobby Eaton is like a John C. Reilly. Not really relied upon to a carry a match/film on starpower or charisma necessarily, but an all-star hand who does popular work when paired with a strong partner (Condrey/Lane - Hoffman/Ferrell) or with a great manager/director (PTA/Cornette, Scorsese/Heyman). Jerry Lawler could be a Burt Reynolds. Looked down upon by "real" fans for being King of a niche territory/box office movie popcorn genre. Older work is much more respected now, although can still be acknowledged as a bit corny. An elder statesman with some great later performances after their prime. Evening Shade=Lawler in 90's WWF. John Cena is Will Smith. Started as a rapper, became a huge star, faced with somewhat of a backlash even as his star grew bigger. Neither likes to look weak, but give great matches/performances even as they are "disliked" due to pandering or weird kids. I think Nicholson is more like Randy Savage. Took a little bit of time to gain momentum but when they hit, they hit big. A decade plus of top notch work, but as they got older it became less and less likely to see classic performances although even into the late '90s was able to hit it out of the park. Always had a reputation of having a temper. Flair would be De Niro, making Anderson Keitel.
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