Matt D

Considering how quickly the big NXT events at Full Sail sell out, have they jacked up the prices for them?

I've not seen whole reviews of Blackwell run shows or NWC. That's what I'm saying. You guys did deep dives for the 90s sets, I know, heroic ones, but you can find 15 year old complete CZW reviews and road reports more easily than the Goerge Scott promotion or whatever. That said we look at wrestling way differently than we did 15 years ago so this is valuable. I'm just bring selfishly Parv-ish with Kris' limited time due to my own interests. My feeling about this era of independent wrestling is that this was the first time that we were catered to as a community so heavily. It was maybe the first time that promotions tried to give us what we thought we wanted instead of trying to define for us but we wanted, with a lot of what might be considered "fan fiction" thrown in. It led to a lot of excess, like having steak and vegetables on a plate but having it also covered by a huge pile of sugar. I'll be curious if you prove that sense right or wrong here. Really though a lot of what I want you guys are covering in Between the Sheets, but that's also putting things onto my radar more clearly and making me more interested. That's all.

It's interesting. He'd reach for moves that he shouldn't have worse than Jericho. His execution is what people have been saying, and he called spots worse than Cena. But I wonder if somehow the whole wasn't greater than the sum of the parts? I have no use for him in 09, but his last few years I enjoyed. I'd have to look back. He wouldn't rate high on my list, but I could see him rating.

No, I think we have enough distance from the early 00 indies that they probably deserve to be looked at again. It's just that I'm not sure ANYONE'S every done a real good look at the late 80s/early 90s "indy" footage that is out there, so that'd be untouched ground while this is just ground that hasn't been touched, often times, since it happened.

I'd be way more interested in you watching 1991 indies than 2001 ones.

Kris Z:

Someone needs to make a Jim Breaks argument on work alone.

And Bock as a Contestant on Hollywood Squares: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7fEGnm-_hA

While I appreciate the plug, and I sorta kinda look like Gene now but with no mustache, I think I need to sit down with you and explain how jokes work. The humor would be based on if I actually had talked about it.Edit: and Daves getting worked cause only a dumbell would buy that . The humor works because you're the only person here other than goc who would be annoyed by people taking the rumor existing seriously.

I heard it from Johnny Sorrow on This Week in Wrestling.

This match is awesome. The sense of struggle is amazing. You guys hit a lot of the points already, how there was nothing too complex but everything was so tight and painful looking and sold like death. The competitiveness. The palpable dislike. The way that Llanes really honed in on the arm in the segunda. Not every lucha title match has limbwork. When we get it, it's like a gift. I wish that Dandy ultimately sold it a bit more but it was a great use of the time and a great way for Llanes to control him in the middle part of the match. And yeah, that Headscissors to ultimately get out of it! I have to go back and watch that trios. I like Llanes a lot and Dandy looked every bit as good as his reputation here.

Phil, you haven't written up the MX vs Fantastics match yet, have you?

The Mascaras, Halcon, Markus, Brooks, Gino, and Lothario one.

I know people have seen it before but I finally saw the Six man tag match in the two rings. That was crazy. It was like a two ring circus with action going on simultaneously. Just timing some of the spots there had to be challenging. Also, Bruce, when do we get the bathtub match? You said that it's definitely on tape.

Aka when it was basically Street Fighter II.

It sure makes them more punchable.

Hey, What's with this MMA content? What's next, a 1999 one talking about the debut of Rollerjam? But seriously, I'm looking forward to this.

Pete, what did you think about Ross and Boesch? I thought they made a pretty good team.

You could see the shapings of the finish in the first few minutes of the match. Jake was trying to goad Casey into following him back in early on. It finally paid off in the end during the comeback.

That was a really solid match, with basically everything you could hope to expect from it. I also saw the Jake match today and I think that it was the sort of match that Jake has the reputation for having, but that the footage doesn't really bear out. That sort of cerebral match. I liked it a lot.

Most of my lifelong friends would be far more apt to talk about Jem than wrestling.

They're pretty much different worlds at this point, with entirely different audiences and not a lot of overlap in continuity.

Also, to reiterate, the video on the Wahoo match was perfectly fine. Anyone who has even a passing interest in a project like this is used to watching matches with way worse video quality. I know you want to put out a professional looking product, but in cases where the footage is what it is, but the match is amazing, don't hesitate to post it.

There was a moment where I thought Jumbo was doing some really focused arm-work and the match could have turned around if Dory just sold it after the fact. Of course he didn't. I did watch Dory vs Bock, btw. And I basically took the bullet for you guys there. First off, the VQ is so bad that you don't see Dory's face, which is a plus, but you also don't see Bock's face,which takes away from what he does. The best way I can describe it is 30 minutes of the first ten minutes of an AWA match (and I'd be interested in Kevin watching it with that in mind). Lots of working a hold, building out of it to a few spots and going back to it. They sort of alternated with that though instead of it never led to a middle heat segment. The match really didn't go anywhere until they picked up the pace at the end. That said, what they did, in a bubble was quite good. It was a fine exhibition but a pretty crummy match.

Bruce, please, please feel free to post any match even half as good as that even if the video quality is twice as bad. It's barely a blip, and that was an absolutely compelling match. I'm really curious to see what other people thought of that, but spoiler's offense was so far ahead of his time and I love the way that they worked the claw and I dug the finish a lot too. It was a war.