Matt D

I heard it from Johnny Sorrow on This Week in Wrestling.

This match is awesome. The sense of struggle is amazing. You guys hit a lot of the points already, how there was nothing too complex but everything was so tight and painful looking and sold like death. The competitiveness. The palpable dislike. The way that Llanes really honed in on the arm in the segunda. Not every lucha title match has limbwork. When we get it, it's like a gift. I wish that Dandy ultimately sold it a bit more but it was a great use of the time and a great way for Llanes to control him in the middle part of the match. And yeah, that Headscissors to ultimately get out of it! I have to go back and watch that trios. I like Llanes a lot and Dandy looked every bit as good as his reputation here.

Phil, you haven't written up the MX vs Fantastics match yet, have you?

The Mascaras, Halcon, Markus, Brooks, Gino, and Lothario one.

I know people have seen it before but I finally saw the Six man tag match in the two rings. That was crazy. It was like a two ring circus with action going on simultaneously. Just timing some of the spots there had to be challenging. Also, Bruce, when do we get the bathtub match? You said that it's definitely on tape.

Aka when it was basically Street Fighter II.

It sure makes them more punchable.

Hey, What's with this MMA content? What's next, a 1999 one talking about the debut of Rollerjam? But seriously, I'm looking forward to this.

Pete, what did you think about Ross and Boesch? I thought they made a pretty good team.

You could see the shapings of the finish in the first few minutes of the match. Jake was trying to goad Casey into following him back in early on. It finally paid off in the end during the comeback.

That was a really solid match, with basically everything you could hope to expect from it. I also saw the Jake match today and I think that it was the sort of match that Jake has the reputation for having, but that the footage doesn't really bear out. That sort of cerebral match. I liked it a lot.

Most of my lifelong friends would be far more apt to talk about Jem than wrestling.

They're pretty much different worlds at this point, with entirely different audiences and not a lot of overlap in continuity.

Also, to reiterate, the video on the Wahoo match was perfectly fine. Anyone who has even a passing interest in a project like this is used to watching matches with way worse video quality. I know you want to put out a professional looking product, but in cases where the footage is what it is, but the match is amazing, don't hesitate to post it.

There was a moment where I thought Jumbo was doing some really focused arm-work and the match could have turned around if Dory just sold it after the fact. Of course he didn't. I did watch Dory vs Bock, btw. And I basically took the bullet for you guys there. First off, the VQ is so bad that you don't see Dory's face, which is a plus, but you also don't see Bock's face,which takes away from what he does. The best way I can describe it is 30 minutes of the first ten minutes of an AWA match (and I'd be interested in Kevin watching it with that in mind). Lots of working a hold, building out of it to a few spots and going back to it. They sort of alternated with that though instead of it never led to a middle heat segment. The match really didn't go anywhere until they picked up the pace at the end. That said, what they did, in a bubble was quite good. It was a fine exhibition but a pretty crummy match.

Bruce, please, please feel free to post any match even half as good as that even if the video quality is twice as bad. It's barely a blip, and that was an absolutely compelling match. I'm really curious to see what other people thought of that, but spoiler's offense was so far ahead of his time and I love the way that they worked the claw and I dug the finish a lot too. It was a war.

CMLL gets no coverage on most newz sites. AAA had some for Triplemania, but you never see anything about CMLL. Past people in rural Georgia, I think most wrestling fans in 2015 read these sites at least casually, so CMLL is just way under the radar.

I wasn't really referring to the title style as the brunt of what CMLL puts on is non-title trios. I do agree that title matches are usually 1.) feeling out process leading to a fall after a few minutes 2.) a very quick segunda usually with a flash pin, and 3.) 10+ mins of bombs/dives/near-falls with laying around selling. So that I agree with. It's just that most of what CMLL's output isn't title matches and I think a lot of their trios matches aren't worked in the Dragon Lee/Kamaitachi way. That's what I was referring to.

They will be very close on my list, as things are now. I don't know if Arn makes it over Flair though.

Also, and I could be wrong on this, but I think that the biggest draw in Arena Mexico is nostalgia. So long as that's the case, this will be more of a welcome blip and a momentary change of pace.

It's fine because it's off to the side. It was the same thing with the Busca last year. Yeah, people were going nuts for it and just by looking at the online fan reaction, it could have screwed up the whole house style, but at the same time there were a bunch of matches up and down the card that had the traditional CMLL feel and once it was over, that became far the norm, to the point where I almost feel like they were trying to work all the Busca matches far more traditionally this year. It's CMLL. Old Faithful for good or ill.

And the masked bodyguard Hairchest.

There is a precedent set by WWE itself because I've seen them play matches they don't own that were sent to other territories (like the Empty Arena Lawler/Funk match) on the old WWE Classics 24/7 cable on demand service. Although I'd err on the side of caution just because they are petty as hell. Calm down though Matt_D those sound like AWA TV squash matches sent to Houston to hype up Bock. Bock can't be hyped enough.

That Hunter one might be from 80. Both are new to me though, so I'll be glad to see them!

I feel like this is pretty much the only Bockwinkel footage we have from the 60s: