Matt D

Yeah i uh, came out of the wrestling closet to my wife of 4 years (at that point, and a few more of living together) last fall.

I'm now very curious about the Bix-run WON in 2024

I am okay with this argument in one specific way. Inclusive consideration. If someone is generally considered critically over time a greatest of all time, then he should be looked at. Once looked at, he can be placed or dismissed. It shouldn't necessarily be used to exclude people however.

He has shorter matches so it's less of an overall cost? I know that's why I've seen some of his stuff so far.

I haven't seen a ton of Volk Han yet, but in what I HAVE seen, I wouldn't say that Parv's statement was accurate. It felt like pro wrestling to me. They built a story. Instead of letting an opponent bodyslam you, a limb was left opened so a hold could be switched instead. It's not a 1 to 1 but it was a lot closer than I was expecting actually.

It's tricky, because we have our priorities and we have our proclivities but those don't come from a vacuum. We value the things we value and we're probably going to spend more time focusing on wrestlers that appeal to those values. I don't know if that's strategic so much as it represents what we think makes for greatness.

Do you sing about Los Misioneros de la Muerte?

This is easier than fun to me. I consider high-end as a descriptor for a certain element of a match, not the match itself. High-end matwork, for instance, would be matwork that was, out of all the matches I've seen, in the top 15% or so. That's more of a general number, and usually it's context specific. If I'm watching a primera caida of a lucha trios match, high end matwork would be up against all the other matwork in that specific scenario. Other people may use it differently though.

"Accidental Smartness" sounds like a great buzz term for 2015.

Whatever it is, it feels really carny.

I just like my role as the board's Sting apologist.

Okay, but I can't promise it'll be good. I'll tackle this tomorrow. My initial post was going to start with "Well, Crank is a lot of fun, but..."

I hate doing it but : This should probably be it's own note.

There's almost no possible stip that could matter with Cena after his booking over the years. Maybe a hair match, actually.

1. How much Jack and Jerry teaming do we have? I've seen the well regarded match vs Adonis/Murdoch. 2. How much Jerry do we have in general and how is he generally thought of?

You guys had some great wrestling but nope, I'm just a PWO Denizen. I'm sure I learned about him here.

My favorite is probably: Aired 2014-07-26 taped 2014-07-18 @ Arena México Negro Casas & Shocker © vs La Sombra & Rush for the CMLL World Tag Team Championship That's not the title change but the rematch. I covered probably 25 of their matches this year on Segunda Caida though.

I really love this post: Because he puts so much thought into it and really just backs it up. I came out of reading it thinking that I totally disagreed with it but I also completely saw where he was coming from. It doesn't mean there's ever going to be a lot of common ground between us, but at least I can understand the guy, and hey, if there's a match that we both really like it's probably going to be really damn good. I know Charles and Will both actually disagree with me on this (and it's their site and all) but I think that's the biggest thing about this place. You can say anything in the world so long as you allow for opinions different than your own and that if questioned, you can back up your own opinion.

Can he be blamed for the failure of the network at this point? It feels hard to blame him but hey, Sting gets flack for not being a draw during the doldrums of 91, and very few heels in WWE history have gotten pushed like Brock has this year.

This is my Rip Rogers, Bobby Bass, Chris Colt category. With some I just don't know if there's the footage.

I will post this, but to be honest, it's really more of a capsule look at how I was thinking about wrestling almost 5 years ago than anything else. In a lot of ways, I relearned to watch wrestling by watching Demolition in 2010. http://www.thehistoryofwwe.com/demolitionproject.htm I'd say I'll have a post up in 9 months or so.

I have to break down and watch that six man and all of the matches leading up to it now, which feels a bit like taking my wrestling medicine.

These aren't my answer, but they're ones that are important to me in similar ways. Jericho vs Malenko - I had really fallen out of wrestling in late 1992 and I didn't start watching again until 1998. The reasons why are a little unclear to me. It had something to do with Papa Shango freaking me out and something to do with Bill Watts banning top rope moves. I just got interested in other things. I was really into basketball for the 1992-1993 season, for instance, probably the only year that I ever REALLY followed pro spots heavily, watching Sportscenter twice a day and what not. In 98, Wrestlemania was in Boston so all the kids in high school were pretty hyped for things. I knew a lot of people that went to the DX public work out, for instance, and the idea that my beloved WCW was actually WINNING the ratings war was pretty crazy, so I got drawn back in. I'm not sure i would have stuck around if it wasn't for Jericho. At 16-17, I thought he was hilarious and Malenko fell in line with my "little guy who can do a lot of moves" mentality that I always had. The Ciclope reveal was huge. The listing of the 1004 moves was probably my favorite wrestling bit from that era. I thought the Mean Gene interview where he just rails on Malenko was honestly emotional and the segment with Joe was so well done too. I honestly don't remember if the matches hold up and I haven't gone back to it but I don't think a cruiserweight ever got the pop that Malenko did when he pulled the mask off. Christian vs Regal - When I moved in with my wife-to-be and stepson-to-be on June 1, 2007, that was more or less it for me and wrestling. My time was going to be spent differently and I'd been less into it for a while now, really ever since I went off to England for a year in the fall of 2003. When I moved down to DC in January, 2006, I pared back a lot of my watching, for instance. I moved in with her on June 1 and Benoit was dead by the end of the month and I was done. I got back into things in 2009 when I started to use the exercise bike to prepare for the wedding. I got into a lot of old territories on justin.tv but the only modern wrestling I watched was WWECW on hulu, and it was Christian's banner year as a TV Ace and I became really invested in the Regal feud. I thought for sure Regal was going to win on the UK episode and I dropped everything to watch it. I loved the Roundtable. I think they have some really great matches that build off of each other. It helped draw me back into modern wrestling again.

I'm going to assume you're coming at this from an honest place. That said, I still don't entirely think it's worth my time. It also feels a little like piling on here when I'm trying to disengage. But you're pressing, so, in short, I frankly think that rovert is symbolic of a lot of the worst things the internet wrestling community has to offer, at least the part that I interact with. He's someone who's shown a real lack of perspective, that's been so far up his own ass when it comes to his point of views which are really polarized off to one side. He's shown a grating nationalism, a borderline creepy obsession with the wrestlers he really cares about, the absolute flaunting of the insider information (which, when false, as has happened, is then disgarded as 'something changed.'), a mentality that if a majority of the rest of the internet community (whatever that is anymore, mainly Meltzerian thought, I guess) thinks something and someone doesn't, then that person has a real problem, and he feels a lot like a relic of a bygone age that cares much more about talking about talking about talking about wrestling than actually talking about wrestling. There's a general sense of gloat-y-ness in a lot of his posts. Maybe some of it is just me and I'm reading one or two things into it, but probably not all fifteen or whatever. Frankly, he doesn't come off as an actual, well rounded human being to me, more a parody of one. I believe he's earnest because there's a certain amount of enthusiasm to him and an unflinching consistency to his posts, but if someone could create a troll persona nearly as grating and effectively obtuse as rovert on purpose, I would be HUGELY impressed. There's a reason why the guy's been banned multiple places. I didn't hound him. I responded to blatantly and frustratingly irritating or insulting things he said in places I happened to be. And after a certain point I stopped and I just tried to focus on my own stuff. I wasn't involved in him getting banned from DVDVR. I was ignoring the guy by that point. I'm not on twitter so I wasn't involved with this one either. So there you go. Hopefully this answered your well-meaning question to satisfaction. I'm really going to go watch some Baba or something now.

We disagree. Got it. That's okay. Moving on.