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It'd probably be more along the line of reality shows based on the wrestlers, no? That's the impression I got from the press.

If Dave's argument is that Brock drew wrestling fans to watch MMA and he should get in for that, shouldn't Ventura be a lock? He obviously mobilized the lapsed AWA fanbase. Politics is way more like wrestling than MMA is anyway.

Yeah, don't get me wrong. I mean I wrote 20,000 words on the match and all and Steamboat was great, but he the shadow-kicks after he lost the mask had him looking like someone's Uncle who was a green belt in karate and showing off at the family Christmas party to kids who are just now old enough to realize he's neither cool nor a Ninja Turtle after all.

I kind of like the stip, not necessarily for now, but for later. If they ever want to do a heel turn with Cena as he's getting older, they could put the belt on him and replicate this scenario. Then they can have him turn in the middle of the match to have 4 of his top contenders fired at once.

Would have the crowd went nuts for Muta too?

My (then) 11 year old stepson could do a better figure four than the Miz too, which should have been a sign, but really, everyone can do a better figure four than the miz.

Yeah i uh, came out of the wrestling closet to my wife of 4 years (at that point, and a few more of living together) last fall.

I'm now very curious about the Bix-run WON in 2024

I am okay with this argument in one specific way. Inclusive consideration. If someone is generally considered critically over time a greatest of all time, then he should be looked at. Once looked at, he can be placed or dismissed. It shouldn't necessarily be used to exclude people however.

He has shorter matches so it's less of an overall cost? I know that's why I've seen some of his stuff so far.

I haven't seen a ton of Volk Han yet, but in what I HAVE seen, I wouldn't say that Parv's statement was accurate. It felt like pro wrestling to me. They built a story. Instead of letting an opponent bodyslam you, a limb was left opened so a hold could be switched instead. It's not a 1 to 1 but it was a lot closer than I was expecting actually.

It's tricky, because we have our priorities and we have our proclivities but those don't come from a vacuum. We value the things we value and we're probably going to spend more time focusing on wrestlers that appeal to those values. I don't know if that's strategic so much as it represents what we think makes for greatness.

Do you sing about Los Misioneros de la Muerte?

This is easier than fun to me. I consider high-end as a descriptor for a certain element of a match, not the match itself. High-end matwork, for instance, would be matwork that was, out of all the matches I've seen, in the top 15% or so. That's more of a general number, and usually it's context specific. If I'm watching a primera caida of a lucha trios match, high end matwork would be up against all the other matwork in that specific scenario. Other people may use it differently though.

"Accidental Smartness" sounds like a great buzz term for 2015.

Whatever it is, it feels really carny.

I just like my role as the board's Sting apologist.

Okay, but I can't promise it'll be good. I'll tackle this tomorrow. My initial post was going to start with "Well, Crank is a lot of fun, but..."

I hate doing it but : This should probably be it's own note.

There's almost no possible stip that could matter with Cena after his booking over the years. Maybe a hair match, actually.

1. How much Jack and Jerry teaming do we have? I've seen the well regarded match vs Adonis/Murdoch. 2. How much Jerry do we have in general and how is he generally thought of?

You guys had some great wrestling but nope, I'm just a PWO Denizen. I'm sure I learned about him here.

My favorite is probably: Aired 2014-07-26 taped 2014-07-18 @ Arena México Negro Casas & Shocker © vs La Sombra & Rush for the CMLL World Tag Team Championship That's not the title change but the rematch. I covered probably 25 of their matches this year on Segunda Caida though.

I really love this post: Because he puts so much thought into it and really just backs it up. I came out of reading it thinking that I totally disagreed with it but I also completely saw where he was coming from. It doesn't mean there's ever going to be a lot of common ground between us, but at least I can understand the guy, and hey, if there's a match that we both really like it's probably going to be really damn good. I know Charles and Will both actually disagree with me on this (and it's their site and all) but I think that's the biggest thing about this place. You can say anything in the world so long as you allow for opinions different than your own and that if questioned, you can back up your own opinion.

Can he be blamed for the failure of the network at this point? It feels hard to blame him but hey, Sting gets flack for not being a draw during the doldrums of 91, and very few heels in WWE history have gotten pushed like Brock has this year.