Matt D

Would have you liked it more if it was Luke Gallows?

I did a quick search before saying that. But you're right. I was probably thinking about Will again. I think you like Flair WAY too much though! So there. ... No I've got nothing. I'm just going to blame Will for everything from now on. -Part of why I don't want to get back into this is that I don't even LIKE Kane all that much. There were just some pretty extreme statements bandied around last time.

* The Windham series (Battle of the Belts, Worldwide and Crockett Cup) * The Morton series (TBS match, Pro match, World Pro cage match, and Horsemen DVD cage match) 1987 isn't as strong as the other Flair years during the 80s because he was working through an injury and was put in lots of 8-man tags. These are good choices and it'd be a fun argument. I'd have to rewatch a lot of the Windham stuff though. I've seen the Morton series more recently. My gut says that the gradual narrative told in Bock/Hennig and just how they switch up the individual narratives of the matches put it on top but it'd be an argument.

Explained it in the other note but I was getting Loss and Will confused. Which I occasionally do here. Sorry! my main point was that we really didn't need to do this again.

Yeah, this was me. I must have been getting your disdain for Demolition and Will's for Kane confused. And for that I am terribly sorry. Though at least you're in decent company. I was JUST looking this thread up too, but you see why we don't have to go around this circle again, right?

And lo, the circle continues.

I get the public perception but Bock was frigging awesome in 86-87. He has the Flair match. He has some great stuff with Larry. He has the Debeers match I love. He has the match where he is a super god face against Hansen. He has the Hennig series which are brilliant. I'm curious. What does Flair have in 86-87 that stand up to the Hennig series?

Where would you like the conversation to move? Lead the way. I just don't want it to go back to Kane. We've been there already. Maybe seven months ago. You said the same things. People contested them because you went in with SUCH extremes. You didn't give a damn. So no, I don't want to revisit that conversation. How about we regroup. Meltzer has always cared about what Wrestlers thought about their peers. I really, truly think a lot of his views developed like they did through talking to Flair in the 80s. And a lot of those viewpoints impacted the evolution of our "community's" perspective over the years, but ... Actually, alright, what about this. The sheer amount of footage out there now and the ease of accessibility is sort of like the Reformation. At one point Meltzer and a few others were reading to us in Latin since none of us knew it. Now we have the means to make decisions for ourselves and every now and again Dylan goes on the Wrestling Classics board (or even better now, the WON board) and posts up his theses.

Duly noted. Let's move on.

The AA looks like crap and always has. I don't think the execution of one signature move, especially one that's always been pretty over, is really what we're talking about here on either extreme.

His peers have an entirely different view. I think that aspect has to be acknowledged. I personally like him in once in a while small doses. As a footnote maybe? I'm not sure that's entirely useful to what we discuss around here?

Actually. WWF @ San Francisco, CA - Cow Palace - June 9, 1990 (8,400) Koko B. Ware defeated the Genius The Warlord defeated Brady Boone (sub. for the Red Rooster) Jim Brunzell defeated Al Perez Haku defeated Paul Roma The Big Bossman defeated Ted Dibiase WWF Tag Team Champions Demolition Smash & Crush (w/ Ax) defeated Bret Hart & Jim Neidhart Dusty Rhodes & Sapphire (w/ Miss Elizabeth) defeated Randy Savage & Sensational Sherri (w/ Brother Love) They actually ran it quite a bit through August. Including once on a Superstars taping dark match so it probably exists taped.

I really hate that cage match, Dylan.

The Steiner Screwdriver just showed up for the first time. Heenan: "Wow... that was.. that was like a vertical pileplex!"

Aha. I missed the classics background so I was left scratching my head. I can see Patera being "remembered" as a mid-carder.

This is obviously why Sting got betrayed so many times.

How much of the Scott promotion is out there? That's something I've always been pretty curious about

Perhaps more useful than looking at a wrestler over his career is to look at a promotion at a specific point of time and classify the wrestlers in it at that moment? I'm actually not entirely sure what Dylan thought we needed with the original post

He has THIRTY DAYS to defend the title.

I picture how I generally saw Dean Malenko when I was 18 in 1999.

Not the power I would have pegged Kris to have.

They are a level 17 technique.

The heart.

I think whether or worked or not with Sting as a heel actually has NOTHING to do with Sting at all, which is actually amazingly fitting as part of his career.