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It's interesting to hear wrestlers who have worked Orton talk about him. What comes to mind is a talk between Rollins and Christian (I think), where Rollins talks about convincing Orton to try the WM finish (the curb stomp attempt into an RKO) and Christian seemed to completely get it. Orton's apparently really conservative about trying anything out of the norm relative to other wrestlers. But he's also a guy who gets praised heavily by everyone that wrestles him too. I think it's more that he's safe/easy to work with ("like a night off") than anything else, mind you.

Virus is right there. And Casas too, though he's obviously slowed down the last couple of years, but he was still delivering high end stuff on a weekly basis until what, 2018?

Isn't she in charge of a Trump Super PAC. It's more her job to kiss ass than it was when she was in the administration.

Hey, happy 50th @Johnny Sorrow

Not really meaning this as a slight on Drake but some little guy publicly crying about how much WWE means to him probably checks a lot of boxes for Vince.

We’ll get there in 2022, thank you very much.

Won't it be Delaporte? Just from a sheer footage perspective? Or was he too much of a main eventer. The deal with Virus (who I was basically the high vote on at #10 so that feels a bit like a personal attack) is that we have basically over a decade worth of weekly footage from the guy plus another decade of more scattered footage and plenty of indy matches. I mean at least we have over 15 Petit Prince matches, right?

Footage is joy.

That's two votes for Husberg vs Arroyo and that's enough to make me wonder if we either lack some distance, are still blinded by the novelty, or are just a little overwhelmed in general given the state of the world. It was the first match in the project that really felt like work to get through for me. I have my type and I have my preferences, and have traditionally, in other projects, been for nuance over flash more often than not, but in so many of these matches, we get both and I fully admit that I may not have appreciated Husberg as much being so used to Pellacani and Peruano and Oliver and Bernaert who are all much more overt and over the top.

I don’t think that’s a fair comparison. Shows were built around Hogan in a way that isn’t at all the case with the part timers. It doesn’t mean there aren’t issues but it’s not apples to apples.

I think he might have said that the poster was wrong or some such too, but come on, I couldn't even keep the wrestlers straight on that one.

We're watching the last match we have from 57 for Tuesday - Eric Husberg vs Jose Arroyo. They briefly show a poster with the card whereas this is second from top and Chaisne vs someone else I don't recognize is on top. He has the "De Fer" as part of his name so I was trying to figure it out and found this instead, from 1902. https://cdnc.ucr.edu/?a=d&d=SFC19020105.2.151.2&e=-------en--20--1--txt-txIN--------1 By the way, the announcing calls Husberg someone with a reputation as being bad guy, in this case "mechant". Did we ever pin down if that's what heels are called? "Wrestling is not forbidden from time to time to be a very beautiful thing." might be the best line the youtube translate ever spit out, by the way.

You're looking for something with weight here, I think, something with a lot of small details to look out for. 1. Bockwinkel vs Hennig 11/15/86 It's an hour match with so much nuance and effort and struggle. There are a million things to see. 2. Atlantis vs Villano III It's probably not my favorite match and it doesn't have my favorite guys in it but it's lengthy and heavy with emotion and you can relive it again and again. I think, all else equal, I'd go with a Satanico match instead but I'm not sure which. The Koshikana one maybe? Cochise? I don't know. So I went with this. 3. Heenan Family vs... (Either Andre/Hogan or Warrior's Survivor Series Team) I want something lengthy and fun with a lot of shtick. Basically, either works. A 10-man NJPW tag might work as well. Lots to see. Lots of people in and out. Etc. Maybe the 92 War Games for the same reason.

http://www.midatlanticgateway.com/2017/09/ric-flair-again-overcomes-giant.html This talks about some of the build at least.

BTW, this Japanese fellow is on the bandwagon: http://wrestlingheart.com/others/france/fcatch/fcatchanalysis.html

I love you guys but...

How much weirder is it than La Bete Humaine?

I'd add that I liked Last the most with @Bix. Because again, he gets the arguments of the last fifteen years and is willing to push back against the calcified conventional wisdom.

It all matters a lot less now than it did ten years ago because the world is larger and more scattered but yeah, Meltzer's Edge affection has always been baffling.

Christian, on the other hand, really, really got it. He's one of the best ever at taking a bunch of signature spots and moving them around from match to match.

I mean, I was just saying that it's frustrating that we've had ten years of arguments about Bruiser Brody or Tiger Mask or Dynamite Kid or Flair or Shawn or Lawler or WWF Bossman vs WWF Dibiase and we've reached certain points of mutual understanding if not entirely being convinced and it's tough to talk to someone who knows enough to be at the start of the argument but doesn't even know it exists and would call it patently absurd to hear it raised, let alone is at other side with us. It's just hard for me to actually take the time to listen to someone like that in so one-sided a way as a podcast. I'd almost rather have the total ignorance.

It's funny. I can get annoyed with Conrad for not having what I consider pretty basic knowledge or curiosity. I can get annoyed with Last for not being part of our circle where we've moved arguments forward from the conventional wisdom twenty years ago (but basically just in our circle and maybe with some people under 25).

Only middling WCW though.

Carrying Seth's genes?

I just caught up but my great wisdom, that once they hit the roof I started fast forwarding like crazy, is obviously unnecessary here.