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A Jericho vs Cody match should end with someone coming in to set up Cody's next feud. They can only get away with that so many times, but they can definitely get away with it two or three times.

The way Cubs put it, and it's hard to disagree, is that it's quantity over quality. Two apuestas matches (one with the gimmick, the other a novelty since it's minis and new), two title matches, and a revelos increibles. They've learned over the last few years that they can draw with almost anything. Moreover, his analysis was that from the booking, they couldn't come to a deal on the one-on-one hair match they wanted so they just put a bunch of people in there with a deal that they could make. I'll probably check out the mini's match later, but it's a pass for me in general.

Don't know of any list. Honestly, your best bet is going through this thread. We hit most of the marks.

The best thing about these (or Superstars on the Superstation/Summer Slam Specatculars,etc.) is that there's a finite amount of them, so every one that they put up takes us a step closer to getting something from the archives we didn't have available before.

It's not like multi-man lucha cage matches are ever any good anyway? Even when there's not confusion on when they can start to leave the cage, you get, at best, a couple of fun moments of temporary alliances and betrayals at best. What's the best multi-man lucha cage match? What's one good multi-man lucha cage match?

There's no way it'd be the MTV broadcasts and not the MSG shows.

They're pushing the IC title hard on the website, so I'm holding out for some rare matches with the belt (maybe even some Patterson). Otherwise, of course, the hope is the first few King of the Rings. MTV shows would be a disappointment.

1. Are there other known or knowable data points we're not seeing? 2. Do you know these data points? 3. Would you care to share them with us? 4. In the absence of you or someone else doing so, you understand that these are dots people are hesitant to connect and there's no real further place for the conversation to go, save for base speculation?

Good to know. Thanks.

Do we have any sense of the mid-south matches? I know we have at least one Taylor vs Street match from that era. It's weird they have the main of that Nottingham card. It's also kind of annoying as literally every other match on the card is more interesting than Orton vs HHH: WWE (Raw) @ Nottingham, England - Arena - April 13, 2008 DH Smith defeated Carlito Caribbean Cool Paul Birchill defeated Val Venis Santino Marella pinned Brian Kendrick with a roll up and grabbing the ropes for leverage WWE Raw Tag Team Champions Hardcore Holly & Cody Rhodes defeated Lance Cade & Trevor Murdoch; after the bout, Cade and Murdoch argued over the loss ECW World Champion Kane pinned Chavo Guerrero Jr. with the chokeslam WWE Women's Champion Beth Phoenix pinned Mickie James with the cradle suplex; prior to the bout, Beth attacked Maria, who had been throwing t-shirts into the crowd John Bradshaw Layfield pinned William Regal with the Clothesline from Hell in a No DQ match; the match came about when JBL cut an in-ring promo on England WWE IC Champion Chris Jericho & CM Punk defeated Umaga & Snitsky when Jericho pinned Snitsky with the Codebreaker Triple H defeated WWE World Champion Randy Orton via disqualification when Orton hit the challenger with the title belt; after the match, Triple H hit Orton with the belt and dropped him with the Pedigree

And selling is the language pro wrestling tells a story with.

I hit the point earlier this year when I realized I should just be posting on wrestling classics, or whatever. I became that person that I openly mocked ten years ago. I'm pretty happy with my wrestling watching right now, though. Very little new stuff, even CMLL which I was following heavily a few years ago. I keep track of certain things, but it's like anything else: enjoy what you want on your terms. It's nice to have social interaction on all of this. I wish people would respond more to the new footage stuff we do on Segunda Caida or that I ran Secret Santo a little more successfully, but some of it I do to myself by not being on twitter, etc. That's the other thing about getting older. You tend to have a lot more going on in your life that ISN'T wrestling. I devote just about all the time I can to wrestling. Sometimes it's tough to slip in the three matches a week for New Footage Friday between work/kids/other hobbies, etc.

In 2019, 10,000 wrestling fans is a lot of wrestling fans.

Bob Backlund vs. Larry Zbyszko MD: This is definitely a Matt D match: wrestled title style with compelling matwork and chain wrestling to start, full of emotional selling (from Zbyszko who almost didn't stall enough to create the proper payoffs in the early going, but that was 100% on in every moment of the match), a good heel control segment (including a mini-King of the Mountain where Larry just crushed Backlund's head on the apron with a knee and well-worked, if not at all over, heel headlocks), and some callback spots in the comeback (both a revenge pile driver and face splitter/twister). It could have used some more compelling transitions, a babyface that the fans actually wanted to get behind (though most of the stuff Backlund actually did was spot on), and a finish which wasn't so damn AWA. It never wore out its welcome and it was a good Zbyzsko showcase. You watch this and you wonder, once again, at the idea that Backlund was WWWF champ for so long. Even when he's good, which is often, he comes off as such a goof. I will say this, no other combination in the world could have delivered an atomic drop quite as good as these two. Freebirds vs. High Flyers/Tonga Kid MD: This was a unique match up, at least. This was a pretty weird Pro Wrestling USA. Instead of JCP, you get the Samoans and the proto-Islanders and Backlund. It makes sense for the Meadowlands, I guess? This was the footage shown in Highlander, by the way, and you get a zooming camera over the top of the action sometimes. More on the overall camera work later. This was a fun novelty, but I don't think ever really reached any level of greatness. Tonga was legitimately over and his initial exchange with Hayes, with them trading moonwalks, was memorable. Brunzell looked like a world-beater in the shine (thanks mainly to Gordy's basing). Maybe they went heel-in-peril a little bit long, but all the faces had to get a moment and the Freebirds were great stooges. They had a little heat segment on Brunzell and a longer one on Gagne. The crowd wanted Tonga back in but that didn't 100% translate to getting behind Gagne. I thought camera angle from ringside sort of hurt this. Gagne already wrestles at odd angles, but now we were seeing things from odd angles as well. Usually that doesn't bug me but here it took me out of the match. It was the usual elaborate High Flyers build to a hot tag, but maybe they could have removed a wrinkle, even if Gordy's side slam and especially Budro's bulldog looked great. The crowd came unglued for Tonga but then the ref threw it all out a minute too early and it was a lot less satisfying than if he had just waited for the chairs to come in or if it was worked towards a twenty minute draw since that's exactly as long as it went anyway. PAS: This had a bunch of fun moments, but never really came together as a great match. I really enjoyed Tonga Kid, he had some flash which as much as like the High Flyers, they clearly lack. His pop and lock response to Micheal Hayes's moonwalk was the high light of the match. I think Gagne is a good wrestler, but he clearly didn't connect to a Jersey crowd which hadn't been following his family for years. I thought the Freebirds were cool, but this wasn't one of their most energetic performances, finish really was terrible, this match was too long to build to a lame cop-out like that. https://segundacaida.blogspot.com/2019/07/new-footage-friday-slaughter-kamala.html

More than five, less than ten thousand?

Never apologize for bumping a Steve Grey thread.

I'm a step further, myself. I'd watch all the TV, complain about people who would just watch Takeovers and try to comment without seeing the build, and thus miss nuance, etc. Now I'm not even watching the takeovers, and I'm only haphazardly coming across the spoilers a couple of days after tapings.

Look, Vince paid a lot of money and made that US Airlines thing go away.

Can we roll back around and regroup on what shows we have good reason to think WWE has that we haven't seen yet. Boogie Jam was definitely one and now we have it. There are the other Crockett Cups, potentially KOTR 86 from the Harley tribute footage (but man I'd much rather they have 85). What else?

So, knowing WWE as I do, I could see them doing some big Undisputed Era vs NXT Champion Alumni (Seth/Finn/Some Other Babyface Like Big E) tag. And calling it a day.

Also, Regal becoming king totally heated him up. It was tied to the Raw where he shut the power off to end the show.

Anyone except for Corbin, Drew, or Elias would potentially be interesting as a winner. That means it's absolutely one of those three guys.

I can't find the thread on this but it looks like Lawler's taken his classic wrestling hosting to youtube. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC_bxosJoZaVZCxJ3AQOhdrQ/videos No idea if anything new will pop up here or not.

Look, if people aren't checking out New Footage Fridays on Segunda Caida, I can't be held responsible.