Loss Posted October 13, 2011 Report Share Posted October 13, 2011 Talk about it here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loss Posted January 30, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 30, 2012 Since this match is really three extended parts, I'll talk about each separately: Flair/Sting -- This is standard fare for these two, but they do both seem to have a little extra pep in their step, but they're rushing through their usual 15-20 minutes of stuff in about 10 minutes. Sting does a top rope superplex, which looks great. Nice tease spot when Luger starts to come in to break up the Flair/Sting pinfall. Flair/Luger -- Good to see these two lock up for the first time since Lex's return to WCW. Even this late, when neither guy is what he used to be, Flair/Luger is a better match than Flair/Sting, and seeing both matchups next to each other makes that point. It also exposes Flair's formula in a weird way, as he calls some of the same spots with Luger that he did with Sting a few minutes earlier. The biggest difference between this and 1988-1990 is that Luger just isn't as over, so the crowd doesn't pop for his big strength spots, which are set up nicely, but just don't have the heat they did in the past. Part of that is the role Luger is in. Part of it is the crap crowd. Part of it is that these two are older and not as hot as they were at one point. Flair working over Luger's knee is really good. I wish these two could have had a PPV match at some point in 1996. Flair trolling Sting repeatedly just to distract the ref long enough for him to low blow Luger was lots of fun. Warts and all, these two fit like a glove. Luger/Sting -- This was pretty good, but if I hadn't just seen their Starrcade '89 match, it may have seemed better. That was a pretty fast-paced match, and this was not. This also doesn't have the heat you'd expect for these two finally locking up. Flair doing his run-in at the end does show how even at this stage, he was on a different level than both of them. And I do like the screwy finish of this with Luger costing Sting and Flair sneaking in. Very interesting and worth watching, but not as good as I remembered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Evans Posted October 7, 2012 Report Share Posted October 7, 2012 I enjoyed this. Early on, I didn't think Luger should have been in it but once he got in, he proved his worth. Flair was great as always. And Sting gets screwed over like he always does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smack2k Posted July 10, 2013 Report Share Posted July 10, 2013 Is this the bloodiest Flair ever was on camera?? He was a MESS... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slabinski611 Posted August 11, 2013 Report Share Posted August 11, 2013 I remember liking this because of the match layout. I don't really care for triangle/threeway/triple threat match with a few exceptions but this was fun. It's not worth going out of your way to see, but still fun. On a side note, what was with wcw and Starcade ? That is supposed to be your big money show of the year and they kept turning it into a concept ppv. 1989/ironman challenge, 1990/tag tourney, 1991-92/battlebowl, 1995/world cup. It is like having the wm4 tourney sandwiched in between years of Hogan/Andre and Hogan/Savage. Even then, at least that was a tourney for the world title. Any clue as to why wcw repeatedly screwed around with Starcade so much ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loss Posted August 11, 2013 Author Report Share Posted August 11, 2013 Frequent changes in leadership, and I don't think all of the people in charge through the years saw Starrcade as THE big show of the year. It would be worth looking back sometime to see if Starrcade had a noticeably higher or lower buyrate than other shows from 1988-1996. Crockett treated it as the number one show of the year, but I'm not sure WCW did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smack2k Posted August 14, 2013 Report Share Posted August 14, 2013 I never understood that either not keeping Starrcade as THE show of the year... But to add to Loss's point, which is 100% accurate, the fact that the old line "Non-Wrestling Guys were running a wrestling company" really sticks it's head out here with this...But after 92, they got it again, at least close.. 93 forward was all back to a BIG show feel for WCW..Even 1995 was special as it was a bunch of foreign guys coming in for a big one night tournament to see who was better, plus the two matches for the World Title...WCW just did a SHIT job promoting the World Cup portion, as it was basically never mentioned on Nitro...96 forward "Got It" again...even 2000 was attempted to be special, but so many guys were injured, they were stuck with the Mystery Opponent at the end of NItro.....oh, its Sid.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El-P Posted November 29, 2013 Report Share Posted November 29, 2013 Flair/Luger -- Good to see these two lock up for the first time since Lex's return to WCW. Even this late, when neither guy is what he used to be, Flair/Luger is a better match than Flair/Sting, and seeing both matchups next to each other makes that point. Agreed. Luger also makes a much better no-sell comeback, as it came after he already threw Flair off the top rope and he did register the shots as opposed to Sting who just no-sells from nowhere after some big spots a-la Hogan, which I can't stand. The biggest difference between this and 1988-1990 is that Luger just isn't as over, so the crowd doesn't pop for his big strength spots, which are set up nicely, but just don't have the heat they did in the past. Part of that is the role Luger is in. Part of it is the crap crowd. Part of it is that these two are older and not as hot as they were at one point. Disagree. Luger's role and the crap crowd played a lot in the lack of heat. Earlier on against Chono Luger was over like a rover, but here the crowd seemingly died at one point and they never got back into the groove. I think the Luger vs Sting part which was the worst of the three helped kill the crowd after an intriguing face off. The one thing I noticed with Luger is that no matter how many times they would turn him heel or face, he basically still was over with the WCW crowd, as showed by the insane reaction he got when he turned nWo Wolfpäck after months of doing nothing. Basically I really enjoyed this as a big Ric Flair showcase even though it was 1995 Flair and not 1989 Flair anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dooley Posted November 29, 2013 Report Share Posted November 29, 2013 I never understood that either not keeping Starrcade as THE show of the year... But to add to Loss's point, which is 100% accurate, the fact that the old line "Non-Wrestling Guys were running a wrestling company" really sticks it's head out here with this...But after 92, they got it again, at least close.. 93 forward was all back to a BIG show feel for WCW..Even 1995 was special as it was a bunch of foreign guys coming in for a big one night tournament to see who was better, plus the two matches for the World Title...WCW just did a SHIT job promoting the World Cup portion, as it was basically never mentioned on Nitro...96 forward "Got It" again...even 2000 was attempted to be special, but so many guys were injured, they were stuck with the Mystery Opponent at the end of NItro.....oh, its Sid.... Bischoff had said that he looked at Halloween Havoc as the biggest PPV of the year. '94 and '95 certainly bear that out with Hogan-Flair retirement match and Hogan-Giant happening there respectively. Starrcade those years had Hogan-Beefcake and this event, and this show did an abysmal buyrate because no one cared who the Japanese guys were or why WCW guys were facing them. '96 evened out a bit more with the Hogan-Savage blowoff happening at Havoc and Hogan-Piper taking Starrcade, which did huge business. '97 had the boffo Starrcade number as a result of the year-long Hogan-Sting build while Havoc featured the awful Hogan-Piper "Age in the Cage" match where the feud had clearly outlived its usefulness. '98 again was more even as Havoc featured the double main event of Goldberg-DDP and Hogan-Warrior 2, while Starrcade had Goldberg-Nash. Starrcade also didn't feature Hogan but did a surprisingly big buyrate, showing that Goldberg really was the ace of the promotion at this point. So of course he lost to Nash and never recovered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruiserBrody Posted May 20, 2014 Report Share Posted May 20, 2014 Most of the match felt like a "Best of" tribute to other matches these guys had in the past. Enjoyable but ultimately skipable. I loved the ending sequence though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeteF3 Posted December 16, 2014 Report Share Posted December 16, 2014 Even though I knew the result, I must admit they kept me guessing as to what would happen next and just how exactly Flair would pull this out. Schiavone jumps on the rather stupid one-fall, one-man-on-the-apron stip right from the start, wondering why anyone would ever tag out, but they work around that limitation pretty nicely and wouldn't you know--Flair *does* manage to win from the outside. Great, great finish. The crowd sucked--and man, was this a case of multiple personality disorder for them throughout the night--but the work was good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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