KrisZ Posted April 4, 2012 Report Share Posted April 4, 2012 Gus Ramsey who is a huge wrestling fan, friend of Bill Simmons, and one of the top producers at ESPN tweeted today that he heard that WWE got 1.9 million buys for Mania. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyonthewall2983 Posted April 4, 2012 Report Share Posted April 4, 2012 Legit have no idea how any of that is "HE'S SHOOTING!"I don't either. It wasn't some insider stuff. It was just a kayfabe storyline to use against a guy whose entire gimmick is being Straight Edge. My basic problem with that part of this angle is that these kinds of complex and personal issues a lot of us face everyday is above professional wrestling's intellectual pay grade. At best, that stuff makes Jerry Springer look like Shakespeare. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NintendoLogic Posted April 5, 2012 Report Share Posted April 5, 2012 Gus Ramsey who is a huge wrestling fan, friend of Bill Simmons, and one of the top producers at ESPN tweeted today that he heard that WWE got 1.9 million buys for Mania. If true, that is absolutely insane. The previous record was 1.2 million buys for WM23, and if they beat that by more than 50%...wow. If I were Vince, I'd put the title on Rock tomorrow and let him keep it as long as he wants. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KrisZ Posted April 5, 2012 Report Share Posted April 5, 2012 Re: WM28 buy rate. 1- I work at espn, not a reporter. Not the same thing. 2- I heard the number but have no confirmation. I thought the number was already out there. I wasnt trying to break any news. Just tweeting to my small following in case they missed it. I trust who I heard it from, but again no confirmation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricky Jackson Posted April 5, 2012 Report Share Posted April 5, 2012 Doesn't it usually take about a month for PPV numbers to be known? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KrisZ Posted April 5, 2012 Report Share Posted April 5, 2012 Trends come out a couple of days after the event and trends more often than not are fairly accurate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest aceman Posted April 5, 2012 Report Share Posted April 5, 2012 The early match stuff was great. No, it was really boring as fuck in a Wrestlemania Stadium Show setting. Would have been perfectly fine on a PPV in 2-3 months. On this card, in this setting, infront of these fans... it was boring. Which again strikes me as Punk and Jericho getting lost in the punch of what works for *them* and their circle of fans that is a far smaller % of those in the building and are watching at home *this event*. The Artist is quite a fun movie. It works for an audience that appreciates it. Drop it onto opening night of Twilight with 4000 theaters packed with Twilight fans and... you'll have a % of fans who enjoy it because they like both Twilight and The Artist. You'll also have a vastly larger % that are bored as fuck. That was Jericho-Punk: people wanted to see the two stop jerking off in the ring to their own fantasies and start Doing Shit. When did they eventually get heat? When they were Doing Shit. Gotta know your real audience, not just the one in your head or you're narrower circle of fans. Especially when you're effectively the #3 match on the card, and of those top three the only one filled with two guys who are going to involved in carrying the week-to-week of the promotion after Mania. John apw trained wrestlers know all about stadium settings Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingus Posted April 5, 2012 Report Share Posted April 5, 2012 apw trained wrestlers know all about stadium settingsWhich might be relevant if either Punk or Jericho trained at APW. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Cooke Posted April 5, 2012 Report Share Posted April 5, 2012 I wonder if this is the original aceman? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJH Posted April 5, 2012 Report Share Posted April 5, 2012 What 'APW wrestlers' know about stadium settings is irrelevent to John's argument; any wrestler, on any level, will know about working to whatever particular audience they have on that show. You don't go out and work your Misawa/Kobashi tribute on a holiday camp. You don't go and work a RINGS tribute on a US stadium show. They're absurd hypotheses, but, the fact remains that Jericho/Punk, whilst it might have been a technically better match than HHH/Taker, or Rock/Cena, didn't get over to nearly the same extent. Could it? Probably not. But it felt totally flat until the near falls kicked in. I'm not sure HHH/Taker should be working so much in-ring/non-mic'd talking which only the ringside fans will have picked up, never mind those a few hundred feet away. And even then they didn't start the match that way. Punk/Jericho, though, were only cursing themselves starting out like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricky Jackson Posted April 5, 2012 Report Share Posted April 5, 2012 Maria managed to win while having Aunt Flo from Red Bank show up while wearing white pants. That's great and who cares at the same time. I want to believe that's what happened, as opposed to the more obvious and ugly alternative everybody thought last night. Totally random, but speaking of in-ring "accidents", which match was it where Sid supposedly shat himself again? Edit: Never mind, I remember now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest aceman Posted April 5, 2012 Report Share Posted April 5, 2012 What 'APW wrestlers' know about stadium settings is irrelevent to John's argument; any wrestler, on any level, will know about working to whatever particular audience they have on that show. You don't go out and work your Misawa/Kobashi tribute on a holiday camp. You don't go and work a RINGS tribute on a US stadium show. They're absurd hypotheses, but, the fact remains that Jericho/Punk, whilst it might have been a technically better match than HHH/Taker, or Rock/Cena, didn't get over to nearly the same extent. Could it? Probably not. But it felt totally flat until the near falls kicked in. I'm not sure HHH/Taker should be working so much in-ring/non-mic'd talking which only the ringside fans will have picked up, never mind those a few hundred feet away. And even then they didn't start the match that way. Punk/Jericho, though, were only cursing themselves starting out like that. apw trainees have no business talkng about working ppv matches. wrestling fans like jdw offering technical advice on how to put a match together in that setting is the lamest thing ever Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anarchistxx Posted April 5, 2012 Report Share Posted April 5, 2012 Early reports put One Night Stand at a million buys, and I think it ended up doing less than 300,000, so I'm taking everything with a pinch of salt until the official numbers are out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdw Posted April 6, 2012 Report Share Posted April 6, 2012 apw trainees have no business talkng about working ppv matches. wrestling fans like jdw offering technical advice on how to put a match together in that setting is the lamest thing ever We're wrestling fans. It's what we do. What you're basically saying is that if Sid botches the first five moves he attempts, none of them being things he *should* have attempted, We Fans are lame for say: "Sid sucks. No, it's not just that he sucks. He's a dumb fuck for trying the diving headbutt, moonsault, space flying tiger drop, 450 Splash and the leg drop off the top through a table. He should have known that he couldn't pull any of them off." -Wrestling Fan "wrestling fans like jdw offering technical advice on how to put a match together in that setting is the lamest thing ever" -aceman Makes sense? No... not a fucking bit of sense. That's what this whole board is about: for Wrestling Fans to toss out our thoughts. We're full of shit on plenty of it, as I'm sure some folks can point out in this very thread. We're on the mark on others of it, as again people can point to in this thread. But not tossing out our thoughts? No... that would be lame. Christ, some of the dumbest comments I've ever heard about laying out matches has come from wrestlers who happened to be lost too far in their own punch that they didn't get that their Super Genius approach was didn't make a bit of sense and confused the fans... or that their Super Lazy "The Fans Will Eat Up Anything" approach caused the match to get no heat other than the fans getting pissed in the wrong way. Roger Ebert doesn't make movies.* The folks who made Ishtar did. Does that mean that he can't point out that Ishtar is a steaming turd of a match, and why? John * I know Ebert wrote one movie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingus Posted April 6, 2012 Report Share Posted April 6, 2012 apw trainees have no business talkng about working ppv matches.I'm still waiting for you to explain how "APW trainees" have anything to do with this, since neither Punk nor Jericho trained in APW. To my knowledge, nobody on this Wrestlemania card trained in APW. Roger Ebert doesn't make movies.* The folks who made Ishtar did. Does that mean that he can't point out that Ishtar is a steaming turd of a match, and why? John * I know Ebert wrote one movie. Actually, Ebert co-wrote at least four scripts. He worked on three Russ Meyer movies, and actually wrote an entire script for a Sex Pistols movie, which was all set to star the actual Sex Pistols, but sadly fell apart after just a tiny bit of preliminary shooting. And I'd argue that, in some ways, guys like Ebert know more about movies in general than guys like Steven Spielberg. Critics spend a hell of a lot more time watching every movie in the universe than directors ever do. Artists and performers spend most of their time in a pretty narrow niche of their industry, focusing on their own projects for months if not years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest aceman Posted April 6, 2012 Report Share Posted April 6, 2012 apw trainees have no business talkng about working ppv matches. wrestling fans like jdw offering technical advice on how to put a match together in that setting is the lamest thing ever We're wrestling fans. It's what we do. What you're basically saying is that if Sid botches the first five moves he attempts, none of them being things he *should* have attempted, We Fans are lame for say: "Sid sucks. No, it's not just that he sucks. He's a dumb fuck for trying the diving headbutt, moonsault, space flying tiger drop, 450 Splash and the leg drop off the top through a table. He should have known that he couldn't pull any of them off." -Wrestling Fan "wrestling fans like jdw offering technical advice on how to put a match together in that setting is the lamest thing ever" -aceman Makes sense? No... not a fucking bit of sense. That's what this whole board is about: for Wrestling Fans to toss out our thoughts. We're full of shit on plenty of it, as I'm sure some folks can point out in this very thread. We're on the mark on others of it, as again people can point to in this thread. But not tossing out our thoughts? No... that would be lame. Christ, some of the dumbest comments I've ever heard about laying out matches has come from wrestlers who happened to be lost too far in their own punch that they didn't get that their Super Genius approach was didn't make a bit of sense and confused the fans... or that their Super Lazy "The Fans Will Eat Up Anything" approach caused the match to get no heat other than the fans getting pissed in the wrong way. part of your response is reasonable - this is a wrestling board & you're free to write what you want. likewise when somebody who is nothing more than a fan & never stepped in the ring is under the delusion that they know how to work a ppv match, i'm free to call them on it. Roger Ebert doesn't make movies.* The folks who made Ishtar did. Does that mean that he can't point out that Ishtar is a steaming turd of a match, and why? John * I know Ebert wrote one movie. yeah but does ebert pretend he knows about the technical side of filming making? btw, ishtar reference may be outdated Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt D Posted April 6, 2012 Report Share Posted April 6, 2012 I feel like Ishtar is the exact sort of movie we'd be reexamining of we were MOVIESONLY.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingus Posted April 6, 2012 Report Share Posted April 6, 2012 apw trained wrestlers know all about stadium settingsWhich might be relevant if either Punk or Jericho trained at APW. apw trainees have no business talkng about working ppv matches.I'm still waiting for you to explain how "APW trainees" have anything to do with this, since neither Punk nor Jericho trained in APW. To my knowledge, nobody on this Wrestlemania card trained in APW. Answer me! ikewise when somebody who is nothing more than a fan & never stepped in the ring is under the delusion that they know how to work a ppv match, i'm free to call them on it.How many PPV matches have you worked? If I said "less than one", would I be correct? And if so, under your own theory, how would you know that we don't know anything about it, if you don't have that experience yourself? yeah but does ebert pretend he knows about the technical side of filming making?Which "technical side"? There's not just one. On most big-budget movies, there's literally hundreds of crew members who are necessary to make the whole thing happen. I'm sure a lighting technician wouldn't be any good at a makeup effects artist's job, for example. On little indy films or documentaries sometimes you'll just get two or three people running the whole show; but under those circumstances, yes I'm pretty sure that ol' Ebert would know how to attach a lavaliere microphone, put the camera on a tripod and push the "record" button. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdw Posted April 6, 2012 Report Share Posted April 6, 2012 part of your response is reasonable - this is a wrestling board & you're free to write what you want. likewise when somebody who is nothing more than a fan & never stepped in the ring is under the delusion that they know how to work a ppv match, i'm free to call them on it. So if someone on here says that Sid sucks, you're free to call them on it because "They never stepped foot in the ring". That would be horseshit. yeah but does ebert pretend he knows about the technical side of filming making? If a film had bad camera work, Ebert would point it out even if he's not a member of the ASC. btw, ishtar reference may be outdated Must not be if you know it. John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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