Rey's second wellness violation

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http://www.wwe.com/news/rey-mysterio-suspended

 

STAMFORD, Conn. – In accordance with its Talent Wellness Program, WWE has suspended Oscar Gutierrez (Rey Mysterio) for 60 days effective Thursday, April 26 for his second violation of the company's policy.

Fuck fuck fuck

[sek69]

Guess that will teach him to request main eventer level perks when he's not HBK or the Undertaker.

[Loss]

Rey is obviously at fault for being on something that caused him to fail a wellness exam, but still ... it's interesting that they're testing him when he's out. Did they show up at his door and demand a urine sample?

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What was the long and short of Rey contesting his last suspension again?

 

It is going to be interesting to see how WWE manages commercial interests vs Rey staring down the barrel of termination. A meth free version of the Jeff Hardy 2009 saga.

 

Kind of scummy and poor form to wish someone lose their job especially if Rey is badly caught up with pain pills but him Wrestling the World would be amazing after being a WWE stalwart.

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The timing of this just seems shady. They wanted him to return sooner than he wanted to from his last surgeries, and when he refused to (considering at least part of the reason he keeps needing more surgery is him always returning sooner when asked) they seemed to think he was being a pussy. Add that to them bristling at his demands to work a HBK level schedule, and being tested while on the sidelines, and this just smacks of some WWE bullying shit. Now they can claim the upper hand in any negotiations with the implied threat that if he gets too demanding he might find himself suddenly facing a third strike.

 

 

edit: Didn't he claim his first strike was due to a prescription running out while he was on an overseas tour and not being able to get it renewed prior to being tested?

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Kind of scummy and poor form to wish someone lose their job especially if Rey is badly caught up with pain pills but him Wrestling the World would be amazing after being a WWE stalwart.

Really? This guy may have a drug problem and clearly has health issues regardless of how or why, and you want him wrestling the world? That is an interesting viewpoint.

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Kind of scummy and poor form to wish someone lose their job especially if Rey is badly caught up with pain pills but him Wrestling the World would be amazing after being a WWE stalwart.

Really? This guy may have a drug problem and clearly has health issues regardless of how or why, and you want him wrestling the world? That is an interesting viewpoint.

 

Or just Wrestling. I still watch Kurt Angle matches.

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It's just a shame that a few bad apples like Rey Mysterio cause doubt to be cast upon the good names of guys like Mason Ryan.

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It's just a shame that a few bad apples like Rey Mysterio cause doubt to be cast upon the good names of guys like Mason Ryan.

Look at Rey from 96 and Rey now and tell me he isn't an obvious user.

 

EDIT: And I actually don't care about steroids in wrestling. I feel like it's one of those things that becomes more dangerous because it's illegal. Steroids in wrestling wouldn't be that harmful (or at least less harmful than taking bumps every single night) if guys had access to a doctor to monitor dosing/cycling and any adverse effects. Anyone that's watched the HBO Real Sports on Steroids would see there's a lot of gym rats that have been on steroids for 30+ years who had nothing but good things to say, had no health problems from steroids and looked fucking amazing for guys that are 60.

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Look at Rey from 96 and Rey now and tell me he isn't an obvious user.

I'm not denying it. He's clearly juiced to the gills. But so is like 75% of the roster.

 

EDIT: And I actually don't care about steroids in wrestling. I feel like it's one of those things that becomes more dangerous because it's illegal. Steroids in wrestling wouldn't be that harmful (or at least less harmful than taking bumps every single night) if guys had access to a doctor to monitor dosing/cycling and any adverse effects. Anyone that's watched the HBO Real Sports on Steroids would see there's a lot of gym rats that have been on steroids for 30+ years who had nothing but good things to say, had no health problems from steroids and looked fucking amazing for guys that are 60.

Right, and George Burns living to be 100 proves that smoking isn't a big deal.

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Look at Rey from 96 and Rey now and tell me he isn't an obvious user.

I'm not denying it. He's clearly juiced to the gills. But so is like 75% of the roster.

 

EDIT: And I actually don't care about steroids in wrestling. I feel like it's one of those things that becomes more dangerous because it's illegal. Steroids in wrestling wouldn't be that harmful (or at least less harmful than taking bumps every single night) if guys had access to a doctor to monitor dosing/cycling and any adverse effects. Anyone that's watched the HBO Real Sports on Steroids would see there's a lot of gym rats that have been on steroids for 30+ years who had nothing but good things to say, had no health problems from steroids and looked fucking amazing for guys that are 60.

Right, and George Burns living to be 100 proves that smoking isn't a big deal.

 

Do you actually have any idea as to the history of how it became illegal? There was no public health crisis with doctors begging Congress to do something. This was someone in Congress getting mad about steroids in the Olympics and deciding to make it illegal regardless of anything else. From Wikipedia: "During deliberations, the American Medical Association (AMA), Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA), Food and Drug Administration (FDA) as well as the National Institute on Drug Abuse (NIDA) all opposed listing anabolic steroids as controlled substances, citing the fact that use of these hormones does not lead to the physical or psychological dependence required for such scheduling under the Controlled Substance Act. Nevertheless, anabolic steroids were added to Schedule III of the Controlled Substances Act in the Anabolic Steroid Control Act of 1990.[104]" If you are comfortable thinking everything Congress does is 100% A-OK and there's no reason to question them, well I don't really know how you breathe with your head in the sand.

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"use of these hormones does not lead to the physical or psychological dependence required for such scheduling under the Controlled Substance Act."

 

Wait, what? Since when?

 

Also, remember: They're Schedule III, which isn't "illegal" unless prescribed under circumstances.

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Whether steroids should be illegal is a separate question from whether using them results in negative side effects.

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So what do we make of the timeline of Rey's drug test and wellness failure?

 

Meltzer didn't pass overt judgement on the radio show but he let the circumstances speak for themselves. Going by what Meltzer said the thing seems to stink. Rey visited Raw in early March as soon as he entered the locker room he was told to get tested and only now it came out. Seems like it was punishment for not coming back sooner and saying no Wrestlemania rather than an honest failure.

 

He failed for amphetamines. Meltzer said Rey is contesting it as Rey doesnt know what would make him fail for that but WWE announced it anyway. Meltzer speculated a weight cutting drug could possibly be the cause.

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Whether steroids should be illegal is a separate question from whether using them results in negative side effects.

What other justification is there to make them illegal? The legality is tied to the perceived personal and public health risk.

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Whether steroids should be illegal is a separate question from whether using them results in negative side effects.

What other justification is there to make them illegal? The legality is tied to the perceived personal and public health risk.

 

If steroids have no negative side effects, then they shouldn't be illegal. But even if they do, it does not necessarily follow that they should be.

[Al]

I'm not certain about steroids, but the side effects of HGH have absolutely been overblown.

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I am generally for drug legalization and think wrestlers should be allowed to take steroids if they want to take them. But I don't like steroid use as a condition of employment or push, and wrestlers on steroids being marketed to children as the ideal body type is concerning.

 

Vince clearly favors big guys over small guys in hiring and pushes, and probably favors pushing cut guys over non-cut guys, but some of that may be overblown. Vince loves big guys, but I think height and hair are two things he notices just as much -- if not more -- than muscles.

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I am generally for drug legalization and think wrestlers should be allowed to take steroids if they want to take them. But I don't like steroid use as a condition of employment or push, and wrestlers on steroids being marketed to children as the ideal body type is concerning.

I would imagine this was a big part of the reason for making it illegal, not so much for wrestling but other athletics like Football and Baseball.

[Al]

One problem is that it's going beyond athletics. Movie stars, musicians who are appearing shirtless on magazine covers are using it too. Vince marketing the body type to children is one thing, but virtually every segment of the entertainment industry is doing it too.

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I'm not certain about steroids, but the side effects of HGH have absolutely been overblown.

Bullshit. What about the wrestlers like Eddy Guerrero who died because their hearts couldn't pump enough blood to their grossly swollen organs?

[Al]

I'm not certain about steroids, but the side effects of HGH have absolutely been overblown.

Bullshit. What about the wrestlers like Eddy Guerrero who died because their hearts couldn't pump enough blood to their grossly swollen organs?

 

If Guerrero's HGH use occurred in a vacuum, sure. But Eddie had a myriad of other health issues, addictions to recreational drugs and painkillers, etc.

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Nothing exists in a vacuum.

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I'm not certain about steroids, but the side effects of HGH have absolutely been overblown.

Bullshit. What about the wrestlers like Eddy Guerrero who died because their hearts couldn't pump enough blood to their grossly swollen organs?

 

If Guerrero's HGH use occurred in a vacuum, sure. But Eddie had a myriad of other health issues, addictions to recreational drugs and painkillers, etc.

 

His recreational drug abuse caused damage (I think thinning of the blood vessels was named specifically), absolutely, but it didn't cause that specific damage.

 

Look at all the guys with GH guts. When you do enough GH that your stomach swells to the degree that people can tell by looking at you, that's not healthy and you're going to destroy their health if you keep it up.

 

Also, keep in mind that when it comes to steroids and HGH, these guys are doing much, much, much, much, much more than what the safe doses would be.

 

Time to being this back, I guess:

 

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I'm not certain about steroids, but the side effects of HGH have absolutely been overblown.

Bullshit. What about the wrestlers like Eddy Guerrero who died because their hearts couldn't pump enough blood to their grossly swollen organs?

 

If Guerrero's HGH use occurred in a vacuum, sure. But Eddie had a myriad of other health issues, addictions to recreational drugs and painkillers, etc.

 

His recreational drug abuse caused damage (I think thinning of the blood vessels was named specifically), absolutely, but it didn't cause that specific damage.

 

Look at all the guys with GH guts. When you do enough GH that your stomach swells to the degree that people can tell by looking at you, that's not healthy and you're going to destroy their health if you keep it up.

 

Also, keep in mind that when it comes to steroids and HGH, these guys are doing much, much, much, much, much more than what the safe doses would be.

 

Time to being this back, I guess:

 

I'd like to just highlight this point for the argument over whether it should/shouldn't be illegal. I'm sure a guy like Sylvester Stallone, who has said he's been on HGH for years is not going to have the physical changes (expanding gut/forehead) of guys who ABUSE the drug. A lot of the complication and health risks that guys get from steroids and HGH is not USE but ABUSE. Which is why I said I felt it would be better for them to be legal so guys could do it under the supervision of a doctor. Then the doctor can also monitor them to make sure they aren't getting complications like heart problems too.