Good Will Wrestling #11/#12

[goodhelmet]

Two new podcasts today to start the relaunch of Good Will Wrestling. Big thanks to Black Cat from the Old School Wrestling Podcast for letting us set up shop at www.flairchop.com

 

1st, Rob and I celebrate Rick Rude and talk about the Naylor comp. Plus, you have to hear Rob's impersonations after the musical break midway through.

 

http://www.flairchop.com/?p=736

 

 

2nd, Phil and I do our now annual Schneider comp show and had ablast talking about some really great matches and wrestlers...

 

http://www.flairchop.com/?p=748

 

 

 

Also, SMK, I believe you can subscribe to us on itunes on the new shows as well.

 

Plus, I am hoping that the sound quality is dramatically improved from blogtalk.

[rovert]

Two new podcasts today to start the relaunch of Good Will Wrestling. Big thanks to Black Cat from the Old School Wrestling Podcast for letting us set up shop at www.flairchop.com

 

1st, Rob and I celebrate Rick Rude and talk about the Naylor comp. Plus, you have to hear Rob's impersonations after the musical break midway through.

 

http://www.flairchop.com/?p=736

 

 

2nd, Phil and I do our now annual Schneider comp show and had ablast talking about some really great matches and wrestlers...

 

http://www.flairchop.com/?p=748

 

 

 

Also, SMK, I believe you can subscribe to us on itunes on the new shows as well.

 

Plus, I am hoping that the sound quality is dramatically improved from blogtalk.

 

Love the Flairchop boys as you know, Will.

 

Glad to have you two back. Cant wait to listen.

[DocSarpolis]

This was a pleasant surprise this morning. You made cleaning the house before the lady comes home from out of town a whole lot easier. Just finished the Rude show. It was great and here's some scattered thoughts:

 

- I always thought few people had a clearer trajectory to being a great wrestler than Rude. I mean, this guy had master class after master class before graduating to great worker. Let's take a look:

 

1. Works the Memphis territory including Lawler.

2. Works Florida

3. Works World Class

4. Works JCP including teaming with 1 of the best, Manny Fernandez, against probably the best babyface tag team ever in the RNRX.

5. Upon arriving in WWF he feuds with Orndorff, Steamboat and Jake with Heenan in his corner for most of it.

 

1+2+3+4+5 = so good now that you can carry Ultimate Warrior to good matches then go to WCW and be the top heel.

 

- I'm with Will on Dustin. I've been loving the Dustin comp. I'm not a fan at all of the Goldust character after its 1st couple years, but he is indeed still an incredible worker and one of the company's top 10.

 

- You both seem to be in the lowly Bryan Alvarez camp on Cody Rhodes and I'm dumbfounded. I mean, for the past year or so Cody has, along with his brother, been 1 of my ten favorite guys to watch in WWE.

 

- I'm surprised there isn't a bit more synergy between the Will/Naylor 'GoodWillWrestling' shows and the Naylor comps. Jake and the Steiners show up, but other than that I'm surprised that there isn't more of a representation of what was discussed in the months leading to the release of the comp.

 

- On the subject of the Jake representation on the Naylor comp, is that Jake-Sting angle from 8/2/92 the Jake debut? If so, I may have to pick this up as Jake's WCW debut is an all-time favorite angle of mine and I was bummed to see that it was omitted from the Jake comp.

 

Off to listen to the Schneider podcast. Thanks and keep up the great work.

[flairchops]

some people were asking about the itunes link - should be available shortly. takes apple like a day to process the link.

[Cross Face Chicken Wing]

My buddy's mom went to high school w/ Rude and Hennig. She doesn't remember much about them, besides that whenever there was a party at somebody's house who had a pool, Rude and Hennig would always get completely bombed, take the refrigerator out of the kitchen, and toss it in the pool.

[goodhelmet]

That is the coolest story ever.

[shoe]

I dug the Texas show. It's kinda funny to hear how fried everybody's brain is after watching the matches. It's so hard to remember things about the matches months later. Since I can't get validated over at DVDVR I'll post my ballot here.

 

 

1.Ric Flair vs. Kerry Von Erich (Cage Match) (12/25/82)

> 2.Terry Gordy vs. Killer Khan (Texas Death Match; Special Guest Referee,

> Kerry Von Erich) (11/22/84)

> 3.The Fabulous Freebirds vs. The Von Erichs (Badstreet Match) (7/4/84)

> 4.Gino Hernandez & Chris Adams vs. Kerry & Kevin Von Erich (Hair vs. Hair

> Match) (10/6/85)

> 5.Ric Flair vs. Kerry Von Erich (2/3 falls) (8/15/82)

> 6.The Fabulous Freebirds vs. The Von Erichs (7/4/83)

> 7.Harley Race vs. Kevin Von Erich (6/17/83)

> 8.Kerry Von Erich vs. Michael Hayes (Loser Leaves Town Cage Match)

> (11/24/83)

> 9.Terry Gordy & Buddy Roberts vs. Kerry & Kevin Von Erich (Badstreet Match)

> (2/12/88)

> 10.Gino Hernandez & Chris Adams vs. Kerry & Kevin Von Erich (12/25/85)

> 11.Ric Flair vs. Chris Adams (2/3/84)

> 12.Iceman King Parsons & Brian Adias vs. Super Destroyers (2/3 Falls)

> (1/30/84)

> 13.Ric Flair vs. David Von Erich (10/11/82)

> 14.Iceman King Parsons, Kevin & David Von Erich vs. The Fabulous Freebirds

> (5/13/83)

> 15.Eric Embry & Mil Mascaras vs. Buddy Roberts & Super Zodiac (Baseball Bat

> On A Pole) (5/5/89)

> 16. Gino Hernandez & Chris Adams vs. Kerry & Kevin Von Erich (7/4/85)

> 17. The Fabulous Freebirds vs. The Von Erichs (Lumberjack Match) (2/18/83)

> 18.Terry Gordy vs. Kerry Von Erich (World Title Match) (5/7/84)

> 19.Eric Embry vs. Jerry Lawler (9/8/89)

> 20.Jimmy Garvin vs. Kevin Von Erich (7/25/83)

> 21.Jimmy Garvin vs. Chris Adams (4/2/84)

> 22.Iceman King Parsons vs. Harley Race (10/7/83)

> 23.The Fabulous Freebirds vs. The Von Erichs (9/5/83)

> 24.The Fantastics vs. Midnight Express (1/11/85)

> 25.Michael Hayes & Jimmy Garvin vs. Mike Von Erich & Chris Adams (Penalty

> Box Match) (4/16/84)

> 26.The Fantastics vs. Midnight Express (3/8/85)

> 27.Eric Embry & Brickhouse Brown vs. Iceman Parsons & Gary Young (1/6/89)

> 28.Chris Adams vs. Buzz Sawyer (6/16/86)

> 29.Gino Hernandez, Chris Adams & Jake the Snake vs. The Von Erichs

> (12/31/84)

> 30.The Fabulous Freebirds vs. Kevin, Mike & Fritz Von Erich (Badstreet

> Match) (5/6/84)

> 31.Jerry Lawler vs. Kerry Von Erich (9/23/88)

> 32.Eric Embry & Bill Dundee vs. Gary Young & Billy Joe Travis (11/3/89)

> 33.Kerry & Kevin Von Erich vs. Samoan Swat Team (8/12/88)

> 34.Chris Adams vs. Gary Young (7/21/89)

> 35.Terry Gordy vs. Kerry Von Erich (No DQ) (6/10/83)

> 36.Iceman King Parsons vs. Buddy Roberts (2/3 Falls) (8/8/83)

> 37.Jimmy Garvin vs. Chris Adams (8/26/83)

> 38.Terry Gordy vs. David Von Erich (2/3 Falls) (9/5/83)

> 39.Terry Gordy & Michael Hayes vs. Kerry & Kevin Von Erich (Country Whipping

> Match) (11/4/83)

> 40.Ric Flair vs. Kerry Von Erich (5/11/84)

> 41.Chris Adams vs. Kerry Von Erich (2/8/85)

> 42.Iceman King Parsons vs. Chris Adams (10/8/84)

> 43.Gino Hernandez & Chris Adams vs. Kerry Von Erich & Kabuki (6/14/85)

> 44.Kevin Von Erich vs. Ric Flair (5/5/85)

> 45.Abdullah the Butcher vs. Bruiser Brody (8/4/86)

> 46.Al Perez vs. Michael Hayes (2/26/88)

> 47.The Fantastics vs. Midnight Express (12/25/84)

> 48.Jimmy Garvin vs. Chris Adams (9/12/83)

> 49.Terry Gordy vs. Chris Adams (2/3 Falls) (11/12/83)

> 50.Jimmy Garvin vs. Kevin Von Erich (7/18/83)

> 51.Jimmy Garvin vs. Chris Adams (Cage Match) (1/30/84)

> 52. Jerry Lawler vs. Kerry Von Erich (Cage Match) (11/25/88)

> 53. Iceman King Parsons vs. Kerry Von Erich (No DQ Last Man Standing Match)

> (5/13/88)

> 54. Chris Adams vs. Kevin Von Erich (No DQ) (9/2/85)

> 55. Chris Adams vs. The Great Kabuki (6/28/85)

> 56.Michael Hayes vs. Kerry Von Erich (Country Whipping Match) (9/5/83

> 57.Jimmy Garvin & Michael Hayes vs. Kerry Von Erich & Chris Adams (10/31/83)

> 58. The Fabulous Freebirds vs. The Von Erichs (8/12/83)

> 59.The Freebirds vs. The Von Erichs (Six-man Elimination) (11/21/83)

> 60. Jimmy Garvin & Terry Gordy vs. Kerry Von Erich & Chris Adams (2/3 Falls)

> (11/28/83

> 61.Iceman King Parsons vs. Buddy Roberts (12/12/83)

> 62.Michael Hayes & Jeff Jarrett vs. Samoan Swat Team (11/25/88)

> 63. Michael Hayes vs. Buddy Roberts (5/13/88)

> 64.Eric Embry & Chris Adams vs. Gary Young & Billy Joe Travis (12/1/89

> 65.The Fabulous Freebirds & Jimmy Garvin vs. The Von Erichs & Iceman King

> Parsons (Elimination Match) (5/27/83)

> 66. Ric Flair vs. Terry Gordy (2/4/83)

> 67.Ric Flair vs. Kevin Von Erich (4/1/83)

> 68.Chavo Guerrero, Iceman King Parsons & Kerry Von Erich vs. The Fabulous

> Freebirds (Penalty Box Match) (4/29/83)

 

> 70.Jimmy Garvin vs. Chris Adams (10/24/83)

> 71.Iceman King Parsons & Skip Young vs. Pretty Young Things (8/17/84)

> 72.Gino Hernandez & Chris Adams vs. Kerry & Kevin Von Erich (Lumberjack

> Match) (2/22/85)

> 73. Chris Adams vs. Kevin Von Erich (7/13/85)

> 74.Michael Hayes & Buddy Roberts vs. Lance Von Erich & Brickhouse Brown

> (3/21/86)

> 75. Eric Embry & Chris Adams vs. PY Chu-Hi & Gary Young (8/11/89)

> 76.Jimmy Garvin vs. David Von Erich (6/17/83)

> 77.Jimmy Garvin & Terry Gordy vs. David & Kevin Von Erich (2/3 Falls)

> (8/15/83)

> 78. Iceman King Parsons & Chris Adams vs. Jimmy Garvin & Missing Link

> (3/2/84)

> 79.Ric Flair vs. Kerry Von Erich (5/6/84)

> 80.Chris Adams & Stella Mae French vs. Jimmy Garvin & Precious (Losers

> Leaves Town Cage Match) (7/4/84)

> 81. Kerry Von Erich vs. Terry Gordy (Lumberjack Match) (8/17/84)

> 82.Gino Hernandez, Chris Adams & Jake the Snake vs. Bobby Fulton, Mike &

> Kerry Von Erich (10/27/84

> 83. Jerry Lawler vs. Kerry Von Erich (Title vs. Title) (12/15/89)

> 84. Chris Adams vs. Cactus Jack (7/14/89

> 85. Michael Hayes vs. Kerry Von Erich (2/7/83)

> 86. Jimmy Garvin vs. David Von Erich (5/27/83)

> 87. Jimmy Garvin vs. Johnny Mantel (10/31/83)

> 88. Jimmy Garvin vs. Chris Adams (4/15/84)

> 89.Chris Adams vs. Jake The Snake (9/3/84

> 91. Gino Hernandez & Chris Adams vs. Kerry & Kevin Von Erich (Texas Tornado

> Match) (3/22/85)

> 92.Ric Flair vs. Terry Gordy (1/11/85)

> 93. Chris Adams vs. Kerry Von Erich (1/11/85)

> 94. Gino Hernandez & Chris Adams vs. Kerry & Kevin Von Erich (Texas Tornado

> Match) (7/26/85)

> 95.Rick Rude vs. Kerry Von Erich (12/13/85)

> 96. Terry Gordy & Shaun Simpson vs. John Tatum & Jack Victory (5/13/88

> 97. Chris Adams vs. Dutch Mantell (6/16/89)

> 98. Buddy Roberts vs. David Von Erich (3/18/83)

> 99.Terry Gordy vs. Chris Adams (7/15/83)

> 100.Terry Gordy vs. Kevin Von Erich (1/10/83)

> 101.Kevin Von Erich vs. Terry Gordy (10/21/83)

> 102.Michael Hayes, Buddy Roberts, Jimmy Garvin & Killer Khan vs. Kevin Von

> Erich, Junkyard Dog, Chris Adams & Jules Strongbow (5/28/84).

> 103.Michael Hayes, Terry Gordy & Kabuki vs. Bruiser Brody, Kevin & Lance Von

> Erich (4/7/86

> 104.Kerry Von Erich & Bruiser Brody vs. Michael Hayes & Terry Gordy (4/4/86)

> 105.Jimmy Jack Funk, John Tatum & Jack Victory vs. Terry Gordy, Shaun &

> Steve Simpson (Texas Tornado Match) (8/26/88)

> 106.Kamala & Botswana Beast vs. Samoan Swat Team (12/18/88)

> 107. Terry Gordy vs. Botswana Beast (9/23/88)

> 108.Terry Gordy & Killer Khan vs. Chris Adams & Iceman King Parsons

> (5/18/84)

> 109. The Fabulous Freebirds vs. The Von Erichs (Bunkhouse Elimination Cage

> Match) (9/3/84)

> 110.Kevin Von Erich vs. Chris Adams (10/27/84)

> 111.Chris Adams vs. John Tatum (5/16/86)

> 112. Rick Rude vs. Kerry Von Erich (3/7/86)

> 113.Al Perez vs. Kerry Von Erich (3/6/88)

> 114.Little Mr. T vs. Little Tokyo (3/21/86)

> 115.Chris Adams, Kevin & Lance Von Erich vs. One Man Gang, The Great Kabuki

> & Rick Rude (5/26/86)

> 116.Kevin Von Erich vs. King Kong Bundy (5/30/82)

> 117.Gino Hernandez vs. Kevin Von Erich (8/17/84)

> 118.Michael Hayes & Buddy Roberts vs. Mike Von Erich & Chris Adams (7/20/84

> 119.Chris Adams vs. The Great Kabuki (7/4/85)

> 120.Rick Rude vs. Iceman King Parsons (2/3 Falls) (11/4/85)

> 121. Kerry Von Erich vs. One Man Gang (11/15/85)

> 122. Steve Regal & Jack Victory vs. The Fantastics (2/3 Falls) (3/3/86)

> 123.Chris Adams vs. Gino Hernandez (Hair vs. Hair) (1/27/86)

> 124.Gino Hernandez & Chris Adams vs. Kerry & Kevin Von Erich (Texas Tornado

> Cage Match) (11/28/85

> 125.Iceman King Parsons vs. John Tatum (2/17/86)

> 126. Iceman King Parsons vs. One Man Gang (Taped Fist Match) (10/6/85

> 127. John Tatum vs. Scott Casey (9/2/85)

> 128. Eric Embry vs. Gary Young (Loser Leaves Town Match) (2/10/89)

> 129.Chris Adams vs. The Great Kabuki (7/8/85

> 130.David Von Erich, Michael Hayes & Terry Gordy vs. The Sharpe Brothers &

> Tom Steele (12/25/82)

> 131. Checkmate & Magic Dragon vs. Al Madril & Bugsy McGraw (10/26/82)

> 132.Michael Hayes & Terry Gordy vs. Kamala & Missing Link (3/16/84)

> 133.Terry Gordy & Killer Khan vs. Kevin Von Erich & Chris Adams (7/6/84

> 134.Eric Embry vs. Gary Young (Thunderdome Cage Match) (6/9/89)

> 135. Chris Adams & Brian Adias vs. Buzz Sawyer & Matt Borne (7/11/86)

> 136.Matt Borne vs. Terry Taylor (2/26/88)

> 137. Kamala, The Missing Link & Super Destroyer #2 vs. The Fabulous

> Freebirds (3/30/84)

> 138. Chris Adams, Iceman King Parsons & David Von Erich vs. Michael Hayes,

> Kamala & The Mongol (10/3/83)

> 139. Buddy Roberts & Terry Gordy vs. Kerry Von Erich & Johnny Mantel

> (10/17/83)

> 140. Abdullah the Butcher vs. Kevin Von Erich (7/25/86)

> 141. Eric Embry vs. PY Chu-Hi (Cage Match) (8/4/89)

> 142. Gary Young vs. Bill Dundee (Texas Death Match) (6/23/89)

> 143. John Tatum vs. Scott Casey (9/16/85)

> 144.Gino Hernandez vs. Kerry Von Erich (7/20/84)

> 145. Dynamic Duo, Kamala, Rip Oliver, One Man Gang & Dr. Death vs. The

> Fabulous Freebirds & The Von Erichs (3/5 Falls) (5/5/85)

> 146. Michael Hayes & Buddy Roberts vs. Kerry & Kevin Von Erich (2/21/86)

> 147. Chris Adams, Steve Simpson & Kevin Von Erich vs. Terry Gordy, Iceman

> Parsons & Buddy Roberts (Cage Match) (12/25/87

> 148.Black Bart vs. Scott Casey (Texas Bullrope Match) (12/1/86)

> 149.Chris Adams, Kevin & Lance Von Erich vs. Blackjack Mulligan, The Great

> Kabuki & Rick Rude (6/13/86)

> 150.Checkmate & Magic Dragon vs. Jose Lothario & Al Madril (10/12/82)

Iceman King Parsons vs. Gino Hernandez (7/6/84)

Rip Oliver vs. The Great Kabuki (2/3 Falls) (6/24/85)

[shoe]

Still waiting for the Steamboat show. Not complaing because the Rude show was cool.

[goodhelmet]

We will do the Steamboat show soon but we have a couple of shows lined up before then. Also, I thought you were a member at DVDVR?

[shoe]

I am, but my computer got a virus and ate my DVDVR password months ago. I haven't been able to get validated to get my password recovery.

[Johnny Sorrow]

Having Will in my left ear and Phil in my right ear is some Pink Floyd type production values.

[goodhelmet]

Shit, I need to fix that. I caught alot of shit for that for the Naylor show.

[rovert]

I think Flairchop fixed it already

[flairchops]

I think Flairchop fixed it already

I just checked again and it's fixed. Sounds much, much better.

[goodhelmet]

[JerryvonKramer]

Hi guys, I'm a new listener to this pod who got here through Flairchop. As I said on there, this is a great show and Will and Rob have such a staggering knowledge of everything that it blows me away most of the time. Really really like Lars when he's on too.

 

Just a bit of an intro about myself, I love 80s and 90s wrestling and talking about it. I have a little website which has a little wrestling section (http://www.parviniworld.110mb.com/wrestlecrap.html) and I give a little run down of my background as a fan here.

 

I'm a pretty strange fan. I'm from the UK, I don't think I know another real fan in real life, at best they'd have "memories" of wrestling, by which they are talking about WWF circa 1991-2, when wrestling was big here. I have a PhD in English literature - I tell you this because one thing is patently clear: I'm not the intended target audience for American wrestling. I'm an over educated middle-class Brit, wrestling is designed for working class Red-state America.

 

This means my views and tastes as a fan are somewhat twisted. For a start, even as a little kid I supported heels 100%. My favourite wrestler was Ted DiBiase. I hated Hogan and Warrior. I'd share Jesse Ventura's pain when he complained about little bits of hypocrisy from the faces. I ABSOLUTELY DESPISED Hacksaw Jim Duggan.

 

Secondly, my love of wrestling is mixed with a kind of detached irony. I mean it fascinates me as an insight into a set of cultural values. Which is to say, that there's always be a part of me that will chuckle at the brand of morality wrestling gives us.

 

Thirdly, I'm not a workrate junky or a "smart" fan. I can appreciate great booking and great storytelling as well as great matches. But there's also a bit of me that really appreciates the crap, y'know. Junkyard Dog and Jimmy Hart having a waterslide race on SNME, y'know? That sort of thing. Also, I get really wound up by people who insist on calling every submission attempt a "rest hold" and a lot of little things like that. From what I've heard from Will and Rob on the pod, those guys don't have that "internet smark" mentality that annoys me sometimes. Which is to say, they properly understand wrestling - probably much better than I do, to be honest.

 

Fourthly, I've basically given up on wrestling since 2001. Haven't watched Raw or Smackdown since 2004, last PPV I saw was Wrestlemania 25 and that was the first in a long time. Have practically thrown up on my TV screen whenever I've put TNA on. Have zero knowledge in the indies. I am not sure if this is a sensible position, but it does mitigate almost everything I'll have to say. I know the names of modern wrestlers and roughly what they are like and how they are thought of, like I know who Dolph Ziggler is, but really I've got no interest in anything wrestling has to offer today. It's become something other than the thing I love. I think it's been irredeemably "broken" by the death of kayfabe and the fact that for some reason every wrestler now has to have a certain youthfulness and look. I'm so down on what it has become now, that I should stop here because I don't want to get into any big arguments with people after my first post!

 

NB. Will, my DVDR registration doesn't seem to have activated. Not sure if I'll post there or here more. They both seem like the wrestling boards I've been looking for, for the past decade. I posted a lot on the Wrestlecrap forums a couple of years ago, but still too many Attitude Era/ pure modern fans there for my tastes.

[Grimmas]

Is there a RSS feed for the Good Will shows, I can't seem to find it. I can find a feed for the FlairChop proper shows, but not for Will's.

[flairchops]

Is there a RSS feed for the Good Will shows, I can't seem to find it. I can find a feed for the FlairChop proper shows, but not for Will's.

There's a link for goodwill on itunes on the front of flairchop.com on the right side of the page or go to iTunes and search for goodwill wrestling.

 

or just add feeds.feedburner.com/gww manually to iTunes

[JazeUSA]

anywhere I can find these now to download them for my ipod? I get an error message on all these now, says they're not found

[Johnny Sorrow]

anywhere I can find these now to download them for my ipod? I get an error message on all these now, says they're not found

 

http://wam.viciousprism.com/?cat=4

[JazeUSA]

anywhere I can find these now to download them for my ipod? I get an error message on all these now, says they're not found

 

http://wam.viciousprism.com/?cat=4

 

thanks for that... I can at least listen to them on the pc thru the link, it won't let me d/l them tho, but all is good, much appreciated Johnny.