Death From Above Posted August 14, 2013 Report Share Posted August 14, 2013 Salman Hashimnikov wasn't around for like 15 years or anything, but he seems about right. Not a good worker, no charisma, sent by THE RUSSIANS because Inoki paid a bunch of money and got a big push in a desperate effort to create a hot angle. Won the IWGP then became nothing. No real matches of note beyond oddity value. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bix Posted August 14, 2013 Report Share Posted August 14, 2013 Loss is right, it's Al Madril. If he was getting pushed as a top heel, you were fucked. Portland, Dallas, San Antonio, Los Angeles..am I forgetting any territories? Madril was still a far superior wrestler and talker to Brown, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdw Posted August 14, 2013 Report Share Posted August 14, 2013 Is Naoya Ogawa a good pick? Holy shit! Best pick ever! John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Death From Above Posted August 14, 2013 Report Share Posted August 14, 2013 Does that mean Zero-1 was shit from day 1? Honestly not sure if this is a trick question or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdw Posted August 14, 2013 Report Share Posted August 14, 2013 Throwing another name out there: Was Sid ever a draw anywhere? I tossed out Sid in the pre-thread discussion, and forgot to mention him when trashing Nash. Sid is another perfect pick. John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdw Posted August 14, 2013 Report Share Posted August 14, 2013 Salman Hashimnikov wasn't around for like 15 years or anything, but he seems about right. Not a good worker, no charisma, sent by THE RUSSIANS because Inoki paid a bunch of money and got a big push in a desperate effort to create a hot angle. Won the IWGP then became nothing. No real matches of note beyond oddity value. He was just a brief blip to humor Inoki, which Choshu smartly navigated. At the same time as the Russian stuff was going on, Choshu was wisely getting Vader over as the real top gaijin, keeping himself hot (since Inoki was wandering over into politics and Fujinami got hurt), and elevating Hash and the next generation... and identifying the new King of the Juniors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdw Posted August 14, 2013 Report Share Posted August 14, 2013 Tim Evans mentioned him in the pre-thread, but it's worth mentioning him again... "It is complete bullshit that no one has mentioned me yet in this thread! You marks have always hated me and don't give me the credit I deserve!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kjh Posted August 14, 2013 Report Share Posted August 14, 2013 Who was at the top of AJPW during the mass exodus, and would that guy fit our criteria? Misawa, who was trying to elevate Kobashi to the spot. After the exodus, they went with Tenryu... but he's a sacred cow, so we best not use him. Then they brought in Keiji Mutoh, with Mrs. Baba gave him a lot of power for that. Then they went back to Kawada, but he got hurt instantly... and it was back to Tenryu and Mutoh for another year. Basically Oct 2000 through Feb 2003 was them. Yep, works for me. Misawa, Kobashi, Tenryu and Mutoh. The GHC title yo-yoing between the next young hope (Rikio, Marufuji, Morishima, Shiozaki, etc) and broken down established veteran (Taue, Akiyama, Misawa, etc) post Kobashi's big run probably fits. Suwama keeps getting the big Triple Crown win (over Sasaki, Suzuki and Funaki) and never getting over too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pantherwagner Posted August 17, 2013 Report Share Posted August 17, 2013 Not really a modern name but Enrique Vera or post-AAA Fishman being on the main event of lucha start-ups meant the promotions were fucked from day 1. Still agree with Loss and Bix that Al Madril is the best example probably in the history of wrestling, but it's not a modern name either. Post ECW Sabu being called to be on the main or semi main was also an almost sure-fire way to make sure your indy promotion wasn't going to last too long: this happened on at least three countries with XLAW, MLW, Tokyo Pro, probably a bunch of others. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KrisZ Posted August 17, 2013 Report Share Posted August 17, 2013 How have we forgotten Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blehschmidt Posted August 17, 2013 Report Share Posted August 17, 2013 ECW was fine during the years that Shane was on top. I wouldn't exactly say that he was a main eventer during the dying days of WCW, just someone who happened to be there. As for XPW......well, who gives a shit about XPW. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeCampbell Posted August 17, 2013 Report Share Posted August 17, 2013 Madril was still a far superior wrestler and talker to Brown, though. How about Brian Adias then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bix Posted August 17, 2013 Report Share Posted August 17, 2013 Madril was still a far superior wrestler and talker to Brown, though. How about Brian Adias then? Nah, local with only one run on top. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NintendoLogic Posted August 17, 2013 Report Share Posted August 17, 2013 Seems to me that Jeff Jarrett belongs in the conversation. EDIT: Never mind, I'm an idiot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrickHithouse Posted August 17, 2013 Author Report Share Posted August 17, 2013 Jarrett was the first nominee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KrisZ Posted August 17, 2013 Report Share Posted August 17, 2013 ECW was fine during the years that Shane was on top. I wouldn't exactly say that he was a main eventer during the dying days of WCW, just someone who happened to be there. As for XPW......well, who gives a shit about XPW. There were quite a few indies since ECW died that tried to use Shane as a headliner and he meant almost nothing at all. Then you have his own promotion which is a whole different story. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Memphis Mark Posted August 18, 2013 Report Share Posted August 18, 2013 Jeff Jarrett was not all that bad. Of course he was put in a position by his father that he did not deserve , which was ironic considering Jerry's feeling about George Gulas , but he worked hard. Jeff came into Memphis during the Dundee/ Landell vs, Lawler / Mantell feud , so he was not in the main event. Jeff worked a long program with Billy Travis against Akio Sato / Tarzan Goto . They beat the crap out of him six days a week for months. Later he worked with Robert Fuller & Jimmy Golden, then the famous Moondog feud. If you have seen the Moondogs series you cannot say that Jeff did not pay his dues.I am not a fan but Jeff paid his dues and got better with time. If anybody from Memphis deserved to be compared with Bob Brown , it is Jamie Dundee . JC Ice was worthless , he never worked on his body or made any effort to learn his craft . JC was just good at being vulgar . It really made the promotion look bad having Jamie Dundee as a tag champion. The guy was maybe 5 ' 6" and weighted 150 pounds. Doug Gilbert and Tommy Rich had to put this guy over week after week . I would say it hurt the business . I would put Brian Christopher as a close second. At least Lawler's kid went to the Gym. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bix Posted August 18, 2013 Report Share Posted August 18, 2013 Jeff was a super worker until he turned heel. He was still mechanically great and purportedly easy to work with, but he never really clicked in any of his heel roles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeCampbell Posted August 18, 2013 Report Share Posted August 18, 2013 If anybody from Memphis deserved to be compared with Bob Brown , it is Jamie Dundee . JC Ice was worthless , he never worked on his body or made any effort to learn his craft . JC was just good at being vulgar . It really made the promotion look bad having Jamie Dundee as a tag champion. The guy was maybe 5 ' 6" and weighted 150 pounds. Doug Gilbert and Tommy Rich had to put this guy over week after week . I would say it hurt the business . http://prowrestlingonly.com/index.php?showtopic=13279 - There's a 21 page thread about the merits of PG-13 as a team. Jamie certainly left a black mark on family name, but he was far from worthless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Death From Above Posted August 19, 2013 Report Share Posted August 19, 2013 I'm amused by the concept there was a business to hurt in a territory where Doug Gilbert was working main events. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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