goodhelmet Posted October 17, 2013 Report Share Posted October 17, 2013 I am posting this here as a catch all for AWA results discussion as well as a discussion on the podcast... http://placetobenation.com/good-will-wrest...s-of-the-1980s/ Will is joined by Dylan Hales of the Wrestling Culture podcast, wrestling statistician Chris Harrington from www.indeedwrestling.com and wrestling historian Kris Zellner to discuss the best matches of the AWA from the 1980s. Over three hours of audio enjoyment as we count down the Top 20 matches from the decade and discuss the greatness of wrestlers including Nick Bockwinkel, Stan Hansen, Curt Hennig, Rick Martel, Crusher Blackwell and Jumping Jim Brunzell!!! The matches discussed are a result of the DVDVR message board project conducted over the past year. Mookieghana will follow with complete results not discussed in the podcast. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dylan Waco Posted October 17, 2013 Report Share Posted October 17, 2013 This is a great show and I had a ton of fun doing it. I will wait for Chris to post some of the more detailed stats to expand on some of the points I made in the show, but I think people will be surprised - mostly pleasantly - with some of the results. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soup23 Posted October 17, 2013 Report Share Posted October 17, 2013 Ill just say that listening to the show the two things I was most disappointed about was that neither Hennig vs. Bockwinkel from 3/87 or Hansen vs. Leon White were in the top 20. I will hold off until Mookie posts the numbers but I do wish I kind of would have put Hansen vs. Leon at #2 because it is the match I have gone back and watched the most from a sheer entertainment standpoint. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dylan Waco Posted October 17, 2013 Report Share Posted October 17, 2013 To be honest there was very little about the top twenty five that I found disappointing. Obviously there was one match that I think got tanked (Martel v. Rheingans), but as with the other majorly polarizing match of that ilk (Wahoo v. Manny Strap) it floated almost exactly to the middle and I expected that. There were a few matches I thought should have been rated higher (Battle At The Bay Six-Man probably being the biggest one for me), but on first review of results there was nothing that I thought was absurdly low or absurdly high. Generally I was pretty happy with results. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soup23 Posted October 17, 2013 Report Share Posted October 17, 2013 I agree that the end product of the top 20 had me nodding in agreement throughout the pod. I just love the Hansen vs. Vader match an irrational amount. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerryvonKramer Posted October 17, 2013 Report Share Posted October 17, 2013 Will listen to this with interest. Also, I'm glad Chad is nodding rather than shaking his head when he agrees with something now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt D Posted October 17, 2013 Report Share Posted October 17, 2013 Regal vs Buck should have been an Unmemorable Match Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NintendoLogic Posted October 17, 2013 Report Share Posted October 17, 2013 I was mildly surprised at the number 1 pick. I was kind of expecting a more revisionist take. I was also quite surprised to discover that I don't like pro wrestling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dylan Waco Posted October 17, 2013 Report Share Posted October 17, 2013 You didn't like Wahoo v. Bock? The number one pick shouldn't have surprised anyone who had followed the publicly posted ballots and discussion. If anything the biggest shock of the results to me was that it was as close as it was and that the number two match (which was my number one) actually had the lowest standard deviation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NintendoLogic Posted October 17, 2013 Report Share Posted October 17, 2013 You didn't like Wahoo v. Bock? I did not. I'll probably rewatch it tonight to make sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khawk20 Posted October 17, 2013 Report Share Posted October 17, 2013 I'll post my notes and other thoughts when I get a chance to listen to the show. I will say that I've seen the results and not much in the top 25 surprised me. Ditto with the bottom 10. It was nice to follow the process and thought of everyone over the last year and change and to see appreciation for the AWA grow over that time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dylan Waco Posted October 17, 2013 Report Share Posted October 17, 2013 Khawk I've said it before, but owe the entire set to you. Thanks for all the help with the process, I'd love to hear your thoughts on what you felt was too high, too low or just right on the final list Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khawk20 Posted October 17, 2013 Report Share Posted October 17, 2013 I'll post my thoughts for sure on everything for sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Ridge Posted October 18, 2013 Report Share Posted October 18, 2013 What a tease for no list with the results yet! This was my first set since WWF to submit a ballot so looking forward to listening to this and see how my picks matched up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dylan Waco Posted October 18, 2013 Report Share Posted October 18, 2013 Results are here: https://sites.google.com/site/chrisharringt...80s_awa_results Minor note. Chris got one more vote after we recorded so the top twenty was mildly altered (no changes in the top ten, though it came VERY close in one place and the gap between one and two got smaller). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Ridge Posted October 18, 2013 Report Share Posted October 18, 2013 Thanks! My number one finished in top 25 even though I was only person who voted it that high. I nailed the number two spot! Some of my other picks look way off from the average. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dylan Waco Posted October 18, 2013 Report Share Posted October 18, 2013 What was your number one Kevin? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Ridge Posted October 18, 2013 Report Share Posted October 18, 2013 Ken Patera, Jesse Ventura & Bobby Heenan vs. Hulk Hogan & High Flyers (3/13/83) Loved it. The crowd heat. Heenan being such an asshole. Just thought everyone played their part in the match great. I had this as my immediate number one the first time I watched since it was on earlier discs as was just blown away by it. After multiple viewings it just solidified it's position and ended up being an easy decision for me at the top. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dylan Waco Posted October 18, 2013 Report Share Posted October 18, 2013 Great match. That whole show had a tremendous atmosphere. We talk about it on the show, but the introductions alone for that were incredible Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerryvonKramer Posted October 18, 2013 Report Share Posted October 18, 2013 Least Consensus (highest Standard Deviation) 74 Rick Martel vs. Brad Rheingans (9/9/84) 2949 45.6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dylan Waco Posted October 18, 2013 Report Share Posted October 18, 2013 To me the most shocking result was how close the race for one was. Based on released ballots and chatter I figured Bock v. Hennig would win running away. It wasn't terribly close, in the sense that it would have taken one pretty big outlier ballot to shift things in favor of the 8/30/86 tag (my number one match), or a couple of ballots with the tag on top and Bock v. Hennig out of the top twenty (more likely, though probably not super likely). On the other hand it is possible that had the board not gone down and another five to ten ballots been submitted (which is what I think would have happened) that you could have seen 1 and 2 flip flop. I wouldn't say it is likely that would have happened, but it's not out of the realm and that shocks me based on the public statements and ballots that were released. The 8/30 tag match actually having the lowest standard deviation was a surprise too (though the difference there was marginal to be fair). The other big stat that really jumps out at me which we touched on some in conversation, but I can't remember how much made air is the massive drop after the top four. After the top four matches, no match averaged a top twenty placement and only the top two averaged top ten placements. The top two were also the only matches on the entire set that didn't have a single vote below the half way mark for the set. Expanding a bit farther only the top nine averaged top thirty placements. I'm not sure offhand how those numbers compare to other sets and I'll check Chris' stats later, but going through the results those things really stood out to me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dylan Waco Posted October 18, 2013 Report Share Posted October 18, 2013 Also the Wahoo v. Manny strap match had slightly less consensus then Rheingans v. Martel and finished 80. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt D Posted October 18, 2013 Report Share Posted October 18, 2013 Chris, the work you do on this stuff is amazing. Thank you for your effort. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mookeighana Posted October 18, 2013 Report Share Posted October 18, 2013 Chris, the work you do on this stuff is amazing. Thank you for your effort. Thanks! Compared to footage evaluation, compiling, distribution and debate - tallying stats ain't hard. It's a lot of fun, and I try to give at least as much depth as I'd be curious to read. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shoe Posted October 18, 2013 Report Share Posted October 18, 2013 Least Consensus (highest Standard Deviation) 74 Rick Martel vs. Brad Rheingans (9/9/84) 2949 45.6 I had this match # 40. It looked like someone voted it #11. I wonder who did that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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