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Kane an Observer Hall of Famer????


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Saying Kane is a hall of famer is like saying Horace Grant is a hall of fame basketball player.

 

Reliable big man that was with great players most of his run - yes

 

One of the greats of all time - No

 

Horace Grant was an inaugural inductee into the eyewear HOF though.

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dkookypunk, your mindset is a very common one for younger fans. think we've all been there at some point!

 

one big thing you'll find on this forum is that people tend to enjoy matches more for the stories they tell than for the cool moves. and i don't mean the modern WWE style of forcing dialogue or specific poses in the middle of a match - i mean laying out the matches in such a way that the story emerges organically to the observant fan. it's misawa being the champion not because he was the biggest or strongest or fastest, but because he always thought 2 steps ahead of his opponents in the clutch. it's magnum TA & tully blanchard having an all-out war over sheer masculinity. and so on and so on.

 

i think as you get older, you'll just naturally find that you've seen it all and the cool moves stop being cool to you. that's when most of us found other, longer-lasting reasons to enjoy it! and when you get there, that is when you can appreciate older wrestling without feeling like you have to.

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dkookypunk, your mindset is a very common one for younger fans. think we've all been there at some point!

 

one big thing you'll find on this forum is that people tend to enjoy matches more for the stories they tell than for the cool moves. and i don't mean the modern WWE style of forcing dialogue or specific poses in the middle of a match - i mean laying out the matches in such a way that the story emerges organically to the observant fan. it's misawa being the champion not because he was the biggest or strongest or fastest, but because he always thought 2 steps ahead of his opponents in the clutch. it's magnum TA & tully blanchard having an all-out war over sheer masculinity. and so on and so on.

 

i think as you get older, you'll just naturally find that you've seen it all and the cool moves stop being cool to you. that's when most of us found other, longer-lasting reasons to enjoy it! and when you get there, that is when you can appreciate older wrestling without feeling like you have to.

That could be the mission statement for this site.

 

Very well put.

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I love the storytelling aspects of wrestling too. Believe it or not that Tully Magnum TA cage match is one of my favorite matches of all time. I just don't think I'm totally mature in my wrestling viewing, there is still a lot for me to learn and a lot for me to watch. I don't claim that I know it all or anything like that. I think many of you have opened my eyes to different things and I appreciate that.

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Yeah, this is a poignant thread for me, as one of the resident Kane haters. It was not so long ago that I was a 19 year old 'dkookypunk43', and we've all been there. We all still have a lot to learn, and I'm certainly outclassed by experts here often. One of my first posts on DVDVR was me calling Arn Anderson overrated, because I had seen too little Arn Anderson and had no idea what I was talking about.

 

And it's not even that I actually hate Kane. As others have said, he's a totally competent worker who casual fans view as a real star. He's earned our respect, as a guy who's been relevant forever. He's been at or near the top of the card for the last 17 years. That is incredible to think about, even if it ultimately speaks poorly of WWE booking. Very few people have that kind of longevity. He's a guy who even when he was ridiculously green could be carried to decent-to-good matches with Fujiwara, Lawler, and Bret Hart.

 

My problem with him is more that he really should not be on screen as much as he nowadays, and that his role in the Authority has been awful. He's often booked as the lazy booker's way into and out of dumb ideas, which isn't his fault at all. His role in this year's Rumble was just horrible. Doing constant in run-ins in dress pants, booking lame handicap matches, cutting dull promos, dragging down tag matches in which he's the worst wrester of four or six or ten. It isn't so much that he's a horrible worker as it is that he's horribly booked, and has been for a lot of his career. The two real bright spots of his career for me were his team with Waltman and his team with Danielson. Two really fun runs there. Maybe he was meant to be a career tag worker, and could have been one in a different era. The big guy-little guy dynamic has always worked for him, as has comedy. He's best as an Addams Family babyface chokeslamming stooges.

 

That said, he's had more bad matches than good in his 20 year career. And when your "constant main eventer" role is both a blemish on your company's history and your best argument for HOF status, you shouldn't be in the running.

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Yea, I actually think he's been having a great year as the character of Corporate Kane although they really need to not have him in so many pointless tag matches. But I have enjoyed the interplay with Kane & Seth although I wish they'd kind of bring that story to a conclusion now.

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