kjh Posted April 27, 2006 Report Share Posted April 27, 2006 Despite the hardcore male fans turning on him Cena is still more successful than Sting at the same point in my view. His feud with Edge has done great house show business recently (at least by current standards) and he is still WWE's top merchandise seller by a big margin, while Sting's first title run was a major disappointment. Getting the "right" reaction is all well and good, but it means little if business stagnates under your watch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty Posted April 27, 2006 Report Share Posted April 27, 2006 Despite the hardcore male fans turning on him Cena is still more successful than Sting at the same point in my view. His feud with Edge has done great house show business recently (at least by current standards) and he is still WWE's top merchandise seller by a big margin, while Sting's first title run was a major disappointment. Getting the "right" reaction is all well and good, but it means little if business stagnates under your watch. That's precisely what I was thinking too. Sting probably at the same career point edges out Cena as a worker, but Sting didn't have the initial box office success that Cena has had so far. At the same time, will the fan backlash hurt Cena's longevity? I'm not sure if he'll ever hit 1996-97 levels of Sting success, but is he in danger of being a once-was before he hits 30? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loss Posted April 27, 2006 Report Share Posted April 27, 2006 Cena will eventually crash and burn without some major changes, I think. However, I don't think the booing is a detriment like most people seem to think. Sting just had a really long period where he was really popular, and he would have easily reached his potential with someone behind him who knew what they were doing. Cena has a promotional machine behind him that knows how to make stars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dangerous A Posted April 28, 2006 Report Share Posted April 28, 2006 Look into this how you want. I read an interview with The Rock on MSN specifically talking about what TV shows he used to watch and what he's currently watching. WWE, TNA, and wrestling in general were not mentioned as shows Rock watches. The only time wrestling was brought up was in the intro before the interview where it said Rock used to appear on Smackdown and WrestleMania. I think it's a little telling when the Rock is not mentioning watching wrestling when that's where he came from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty Posted April 28, 2006 Report Share Posted April 28, 2006 Look into this how you want. I read an interview with The Rock on MSN specifically talking about what TV shows he used to watch and what he's currently watching. WWE, TNA, and wrestling in general were not mentioned as shows Rock watches. The only time wrestling was brought up was in the intro before the interview where it said Rock used to appear on Smackdown and WrestleMania. I think it's a little telling when the Rock is not mentioning watching wrestling when that's where he came from. He's not the only one like that, at least in regards to not watching WWE. Jericho's said in at least a couple interviews that he watches more TNA than WWE these days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sek69 Posted April 28, 2006 Report Share Posted April 28, 2006 It's just not cool to be a fan these days, even if you're a former wrestler. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strummer Posted April 29, 2006 Report Share Posted April 29, 2006 Keller: As reported in this week's Torch Newsletter, JBL is tentatively slated to beat Rey Mysterio for the World Hvt. Title. Mysterio will be taking some time off to get some injuries repaired and rested. That could mean RVD will end up choosing to wrestle JBL as the headline match at ECW One Night Stand. It would make storyline sense since JBL was the top anti-ECW heel at last year's One Night Stand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest savagerulz Posted April 29, 2006 Report Share Posted April 29, 2006 Keller: As reported in this week's Torch Newsletter, JBL is tentatively slated to beat Rey Mysterio for the World Hvt. Title. Mysterio will be taking some time off to get some injuries repaired and rested. That could mean RVD will end up choosing to wrestle JBL as the headline match at ECW One Night Stand. It would make storyline sense since JBL was the top anti-ECW heel at last year's One Night Stand. RVD vs. Bradshaw? Heatwise it could be awesome. Match wise it could be catastrophic, but JBL seems to do okay in gimmick matches. Kinda makes sense considering what Raw has going on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest savagerulz Posted April 29, 2006 Report Share Posted April 29, 2006 From WWE.com: Kurt Angle has suffered a cracked rib. As a result of the injury, the Wrestling Machine will now be out of action for an undetermined amount of time. The injury originally occurred on the recent European tour when Mark Henry delivered the World's Strongest Slam to Angle during a match in New Castle. "At that point, I wasn't even sure if I was going to be able to compete against Mysterio for the World Heavyweight Championship," Angle later admitted to WWE.com. But being the intense competitor that he is, Angle kept his injury to himself and fought valiantly for the title he feels he rightfully deserves. Unfortunately for Angle, the final straw came when Henry, perhaps realizing he injured Angle earlier in New Castle, dismantled the Wrestling Machine on SmackDown with a near 400-pound splash through a ringside table. Just as he did to former World Heavyweight Champion Batista, Henry injured Angle to the point where he will now be out of action indefinitely, meaning he must forfeit his spot in the King of the Ring tournament. As a result, Booker T advances to the final round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loss Posted April 29, 2006 Report Share Posted April 29, 2006 They've dumb-lucked into a great gimmick for Booker T as a guy who wins matches without wrestling matches. But SD is hurting anyway, and now Rey and Angle are going to be on the shelf. I guess the plan is to move RVD there after ONS if he beats JBL, and I guess Batista will be back soon, but that means that everyone who was in the WM main event on the SD side will not be around for a while. Unfortunate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Dog Posted April 29, 2006 Report Share Posted April 29, 2006 I have a quick question. What year did the whole Vader/Hansen eyeball incident take place? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loss Posted April 30, 2006 Report Share Posted April 30, 2006 1990. February 10, to be exact, at a show co-promoted by the AWA, AJPW and NJPW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sek69 Posted April 30, 2006 Report Share Posted April 30, 2006 TNA may or may not be the next WCW in terms of competing with Vince, but it's definately the next WCW in terms of giving net fans something to bitch about. The sheer TNA hate on places like DVDVR is mind boggling at times. I don't know if it's large or just a few people being very vocal, but people are wishing TNA would go out of business because they're not pushing all the generic X division flippy flop guys to their liking. I swear, sometimes I think wrestling fans don't deserve to have more than one national company. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Thread Killer Posted April 30, 2006 Report Share Posted April 30, 2006 Blind TNA hate annoys the hell out of me too. I don't mind people stating their problems if they make sense, but some places (DVDVR, TSM) if you try and discuss any positive things about TNA you get overwhelmed with idiots making really intelligent contributions like "I wish this company would just die already" or "Jarrett sux." I've watched every TNA PPV since they've been on SPIKE, and the product ain't bad. It's not great, but it's hardly as bad as all the hate it gets from a lot of smarky types. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Dog Posted April 30, 2006 Report Share Posted April 30, 2006 I just find it funny that people whine about how crappy the WWF is and then when an alternative fed comes around a lot of people bash it really just because it's not the WWF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Cam Chaos Posted April 30, 2006 Report Share Posted April 30, 2006 http://www.sherdog.net/forums/showthread.php?t=371548 This made me laugh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Dog Posted April 30, 2006 Report Share Posted April 30, 2006 Here's something my friend and I were discussing last night. Do you think Blitzkrieg made the biggest impact on viewers in the shortest amount of time ever in U.S. wrestling history? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loss Posted April 30, 2006 Report Share Posted April 30, 2006 No, that would be The Great Muta, who had a 10-month run in the NWA in 1989 that was memorable enough that he'd still get a huge pop showing up in WCW 11 years later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Dog Posted April 30, 2006 Report Share Posted April 30, 2006 True. I thought he was here a little longer. He definately would be the prime example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resident Evil Posted May 2, 2006 Report Share Posted May 2, 2006 No, that would be The Great Muta, who had a 10-month run in the NWA in 1989 that was memorable enough that he'd still get a huge pop showing up in WCW 11 years later. Muta made a tremendous impression on me when I was 13 yrs old that would still cause me to mark out for him years after the fact. In his book, DK mentions that he thought the Funks had the greatest minds in wrestling. Does anyone agree? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty Posted May 3, 2006 Report Share Posted May 3, 2006 Nora Greenweld (aka Molly Holly) today: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sek69 Posted May 3, 2006 Report Share Posted May 3, 2006 The fact that all WWE could come up with for her is to call her fat makes me very sad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sek69 Posted May 5, 2006 Report Share Posted May 5, 2006 Saw this in today's WO update and it made me chuckle: -Dusty Rhodes is in Las Vegas this weekend for de la Hoya-Mayorga. Rhodes is the special guest of Ricardo Mayorga and will be coming down the aisle as part of his team I would pay twice the amount asked for this PPV if Dusty was doing commentary. "THEY BE CLUBBERIN' EACH OTHA FOR REALZ, TONAH!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boondocks Kernoodle Posted May 5, 2006 Report Share Posted May 5, 2006 TNA may or may not be the next WCW in terms of competing with Vince, but it's definately the next WCW in terms of giving net fans something to bitch about. The sheer TNA hate on places like DVDVR is mind boggling at times. I don't know if it's large or just a few people being very vocal, but people are wishing TNA would go out of business because they're not pushing all the generic X division flippy flop guys to their liking. I swear, sometimes I think wrestling fans don't deserve to have more than one national company. It's because the 'net has finally come around to agreeing with the whole "cruiserweights don't know how to work" thing. I mean, DVDVR, these are the guys behind the whole "Mark Henry is a great worker" phenomenon, and along with the strange Meng & Barbarian worship that goes on at that board, who knows what goes on in their minds. P.S. For real blind TNA hate including ten "Joe is fat" jokes per thread please visit the wrestling section of http://www.shootproject.com/thepit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest savagerulz Posted May 5, 2006 Report Share Posted May 5, 2006 The main event on Impact this week was very well done. There aren't enough title matches like that one these days - ones in which neither the champion nor the challenger is completely dominant the whole time. Ones in which the champion is dominant for much of the time, but does take some of the opponent's offense without completely squashing him. This is the first time Christian had an opponent that was smaller than him since becoming champion, and the dynamic created by that situation was good. Ever since he joined the company, I was most interested in seeing Christian wrestle X division guys, and I hope this match was only the beginning of that. For matches involving world champions, I love when the champions are booked against people who are equal to or smaller than them in size, and equal to or superior to them in talent. Christian's latest match reminded me of the fine Triple H vs. Tajiri and Triple H vs. TAKA matches that happened during Triple H title reigns in recent years. They were all matches in which it was obvious that the challenger wouldn't win, but the champion was willing to sell for him, making the match entertaining in spite of the winner being predictable. Christian's antics before the commercial break were ripping off some of The Rock's old schtick (specifically, the way he used to put on a headset, take a gulp from his water bottle and spit at his opponent), but I enjoyed them nonetheless. It was nice to see Jackass Christian again, who I much prefer over "serious intense Christian". The worst thing about this feud with Abyss is having to see that bland side of Christian in it. I am finally ready to admit that Kurt Angle managed to make the transition from arrogant comedic wrestler to intense serious wrestler well (although I still prefer his funny persona), but Christian's attempt to make the same transition isn't working (so far). On the plus side, as long as the feud continues, we get to see James Mitchell continue to school him promo-wise every week. I like how TNA is starting to mix in X division guys with heavyweights/veterans...I think this booking could give them a very promising future. I hope we see people like Petey Williams and Chris Sabin working with Christian too. Sting already helped elevate Christian by teaming with him at Final Resolution, and will do the same with his tag team partner at the next pay per view. By losing to Sting's team, Steiner will also elevate younger talent, justifying the company's hiring him. Some people may be find it hard to believe that Steiner would be willing to do that based on his past behavior, but I truly believe that Scott Steiner is ready to do what's best for the company rather than himself, and for the first time be a COMPANY MAN. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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