Jetlag Posted May 6, 2018 Report Share Posted May 6, 2018 Or does he? I think this Kermit the frog sounding geek is kind of an old weirdo but watching him mark out for Stu Hart's grappling is hilarious. Maybe we should invite him over here? Send him a playlist of Fujiwara/Inoki matches? Get him on a podcast with Parv? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPS Posted May 6, 2018 Report Share Posted May 6, 2018 I've enjoyed Peterson and some of his videos and his books,although I don't agree with everything he says and don't care for some of the really cult like followers he gets treating him as some sort of prophet-like character. As for this I thought it was cool to see him so impressed with Stu as when I read Stu's book over a decade ago now I had the same feeling when learning about him. Due to the carniness and seediness of the wrestling business sometimes even the most knowledgeable and dedicated fans can miss the forest for the trees when it comes to how remarkable some people from the history of wrestling were. As for mocking the man's voice(aside from calling him a geek and a weirdo) to me comes off as kinda lame. I mean say what you want about his thoughts, work or opinions but what is there to gain from name calling and making fun of something he can't control? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herodes Posted May 6, 2018 Report Share Posted May 6, 2018 Mock him for being another in a long line of tiresome bores who unironically keep going on about political correctness and social justice warriors and is perceived as an intellectual by anti-intellectuals who inevitably blame everything on the liberals, the Muslims, Black people, women, gays etc. see also Sam Harris and his ilk, philosophy for dummies Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fando Posted May 6, 2018 Report Share Posted May 6, 2018 How about that. This made him seem likeable. Would be interesting to show him this clip and then the movie again and hear what he has to say about memory, processing images, and creating narratives. Strikes like a snake, and grabs him in a headlock? Never happened. https://youtu.be/L3wZhA5s3kI?t=23m16s Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riderman Hongo Posted May 6, 2018 Report Share Posted May 6, 2018 Finally, there is Something that I like that this man does not call some kind of neo-Marxist or Postmodernist plot to subvert the west. I am tickled Pink at this development. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimmas Posted May 6, 2018 Report Share Posted May 6, 2018 He's an asshole who tries to hide his bigotry behind faux intelligence. Fuck him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riderman Hongo Posted May 6, 2018 Report Share Posted May 6, 2018 He's an asshole who tries to hide his bigotry behind faux intelligence. Fuck him. That is a tad bit harsh there. Yes, He overthinks Thing the whole Frozen is Propaganda thing is Very odd. He has an obsession with the Meme that is Cultural Marxism. He is divisive while trying to say he his not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tim Posted May 6, 2018 Report Share Posted May 6, 2018 He's clearly a very intelligent person who knows what he's talking about. He plays fast and loose with the term "Marxism" and is clearly very stuck in the Cold War mindset where Western liberal capitalism is the great moral good of the world; but then there's no good term for the phenomenon that he describes as "cultural Marxism" and anyone who uses any term to try to describe it [cultural marxism, political correctness, sjw whatever] opens himself up to criticism. His "self help" content is probably the only useful and intelligent "self help" commentary ever offered. Like most intellectuals who try to describe why people "really" like pro wrestling, he's not really correct. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herodes Posted May 6, 2018 Report Share Posted May 6, 2018 Hes really not intelligent, his fan base are basically racists and woman haters Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tim Posted May 6, 2018 Report Share Posted May 6, 2018 Let's not be ridiculous. Anyone of any ideological position should have no more trouble admitting Jordan Peterson is a very intelligent and knowledgeable person than anyone should have trouble admitting the same of, say, Noam Chomsky no matter what they thought of his ideology. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herodes Posted May 6, 2018 Report Share Posted May 6, 2018 When someone of supposed intelligence basically attracts the lowest common denominator of the Breitbart and Infowars variety then theyre really not intelligent other than to those who arent well read Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riderman Hongo Posted May 6, 2018 Report Share Posted May 6, 2018 Let's not be ridiculous. Anyone of any ideological position should have no more trouble admitting Jordan Peterson is a very intelligent and knowledgeable person than anyone should have trouble admitting the same of, say, Noam Chomsky no matter what they thought of his ideology. It is the type of people he attracts. that is Bad for Jordan's Case, while overall Chomsky's fanbase does not if you wish to call it that is quite an ok fanbase I say this as Zizek follower; I Have Spent May a spare hour debating Chomskyites and they are passionate but well-reasoned people. Peterson's fanbase just says Cultural Marxism, Mao, Stalin and the other buzzwords. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetlag Posted May 6, 2018 Author Report Share Posted May 6, 2018 Uhh actually this thread was s'posed to be about his general take on pro wrestling and not a JBP & buzzwords general. Personally I know too little about him to judge how morally good or bad he is, but measuring someone by the worst of his fans is not very nice. You wouldn't like it if someone did that to pro wrestling either, let alone some of history's greatest thinkers. Nietzsche, Heidegger and so on, they've all had some jerks for a fanbase. (Not that I'm defending Heidegger. Fuck his incomprehensible hogwash). I actually found it interesting that he mentioned Bret Hart was maybe at some point the most famous canadian in the world. And a hero to 120 million people. How does that work, global babyface appeal, despite cultural difference and all? Let's not even begin with John Cena. Kids everywhere love that guy no matter where on the globe. Hell, we all find guys we like and root for all the time, no matter how far back in time or on the globe we go. How about that. This made him seem likeable. Would be interesting to show him this clip and then the movie again and hear what he has to say about memory, processing images, and creating narratives. Strikes like a snake, and grabs him in a headlock? Never happened. https://youtu.be/L3wZhA5s3kI?t=23m16s Seems that he's just a mark for Stu. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimmas Posted May 6, 2018 Report Share Posted May 6, 2018 He's an asshole who tries to hide his bigotry behind faux intelligence. Fuck him. That is a tad bit harsh there. Yes, He overthinks Thing the whole Frozen is Propaganda thing is Very odd. He has an obsession with the Meme that is Cultural Marxism. He is divisive while trying to say he his not. Have you heard what he says about trans people or about how he can't have a debate with a women, because he can't punch him? It's not harsh, he's an awful awful person. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveMPunk Posted May 7, 2018 Report Share Posted May 7, 2018 Yeah I popped when I heard that in one of his longer videos. Dude is far from perfect,but I think it's incredibly hyperbolic to call him an awful awful person. His lectures saved me from suicide so I have a definite bias in favour of him that's wrapped in my personal experience. I can understand disagreeing with any of his opinions,but the level of dismissal towards those who might happen to find value in some of the things he says blows me away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimmas Posted May 7, 2018 Report Share Posted May 7, 2018 Yeah I popped when I heard that in one of his longer videos. Dude is far from perfect,but I think it's incredibly hyperbolic to call him an awful awful person. His lectures saved me from suicide so I have a definite bias in favour of him that's wrapped in my personal experience. I can understand disagreeing with any of his opinions,but the level of dismissal towards those who might happen to find value in some of the things he says blows me away. He can be smart about some things and be a horrible anti trans bigot at the same time. He can also be an expert about some academic field and be a horrible misogynist as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilTLL Posted May 7, 2018 Report Share Posted May 7, 2018 As for mocking the man's voice(aside from calling him a geek and a weirdo) to me comes off as kinda lame. I mean say what you want about his thoughts, work or opinions but what is there to gain from name calling and making fun of something he can't control? You can most definitely control, alter, and improve your voice. There are literally dozens of classes you can take from multiple disciplines--drama, broadcasting, public speaking--to accomplish this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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