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  1. I'm really enjoying this thread and all these interesting tidbits about Jumbo. I've only seen the "big" matches of Jumbo's career from the 80's & 90's and I think only a handful of his 70's stuff. I really haven't watched him as in depth as someone who knew how highly regarded he was; especially compared to the 4 Pillars or even his contemporaries like Tenryu, Choshu or Fujinami. So now with all this extra insight and information I've been going back and watching/compiling a list of whatever I've been able to find online of Jumbo's career from start to finish and it's been so enjoyable and such a breath of fresh air to take me out of the modern product for a bit and reset by watching someone as great as Jumbo. Thank you again for all the information you've shared, it's been one of the best threads I've read on this board since I've joined.
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    Under-the-radar wrestling book recommendations

    This is a great option, thank you for sharing.
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    Under-the-radar wrestling book recommendations

    That's quite a project! I'd love to read your translated version once you're done if you decide to share it. I really enjoy your added insight on some of the early Jumbo matches along with the AJPW and Japanese pro wrestling landscape of the era. It adds so much more when rewatching those older matches to have the underlying context.
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    RIP Guy Hauray

    What did Carpentier say to get suspended?
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    Dave Meltzer stuff

    "Briefly, a dud match is one without any redeeming social value. Five stars is for something stupendous. I may see eight or nine five star matches per year. A negative rating means not only was the match worthless, but obnoxiously bad. 0.5 is for a terrible match, but at least there was a high spot or something. 1 is a bad match, 1.5 is below average but tolerable; 2 average, 2.5 kind of good; 3 Quite good; 3.5 almost great; 4 excellent; 4.5 better than you can ask for."
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    John Tenta-Koji Kitao infamous shoot

    He front facelocked Verne Gagne brother Seriously though in Bret's book he gives a first hand account of Hogan and Dr D. getting into an inpromptu shoot wrestling match in a hotel and Hogan managed to hook Dr D and make him give up which sounds like BS but when you take into account how much Bret praises Dr D in his book and buries Hogan, I don;t know why he'd add it if it were untrue.
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  8. I was was thinking about this today after watching this video about the 1967 film Bonnie and Clyde talking about it's aspects and elements that ushered in styles and methods of story telling to the American cinema that continued to have influence going forward to present day. I also was reminiscing after listening to the Between The Sheets podcast from a few weeks back about the famous Dragon Gate 6 man from 'Mania weekend in 2006 and how influential it was for the amount of exposure to a wider audience of the state of the art Dragon Gate style and how the blow away 5 star match from the first real independent group to run on 'Mania weekend in a manner that mirrors what eventually became the big juggernaut the indy "Mania weekend supershow events came to become in recent years showcasing different protections styles, high end work rate matches and events that can be ahead of the curve of whats was to come in main stream pro wrestling. I thought this would be a fun topic to ask the folks here since this board has such a wide variety of people who have really in depth knowledge about a slew of promotions and matches internationally that go back to the start of pro wrestling as we know it. So what are matches from the history of wrestling that you personally look back and find elements or specific details that have emerged in the present day to become popular or commonplace that can be tied back to a specific match in your eyes? Can be good or bad and of course and it's all personal opinion/conjecture but my main interest is hearing some spirited opinion and thought to learn about some matches I might not know about or that I haven't been exposed to.
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    Dark Side of the Ring: Viceland docu-series

    This is what makes me not feel too much sympathy for Stossel; he's a hypocrite of the highest order. He claimed he thought it was bullshit wrestling and wrestlers were portraying themselves as something they were not for a payday and a living but as soon as he gets the chance to play lingering ear injury he's suddenly in agony until he collects a payday. Fair play to him because there were no saints among them but it's a weasel move reminiscent of a heel manager rather than upstanding reporter.
  10. Me too, just watched his tag against Choshu/Fujinami last night. I loved him in UWFi and hadn't got to see much of his NJPW stuff but he was fantastic everywhere. I'd love to have a career set of all his matches that made tape because he's fantastic.
  11. This is my third contribution to the Secret Santo match trade and this one was given to me by SirEdger and is from the Quebec Territory of International Wrestling which I am glad to check out as after having read Pat Laprade's book "Mad Dogs, Midgets, and Screw Jobs" , It's one territory I've never seen a lot of. I researched the backstory of this while trying to find the date and this match is a follow up to 24.06.1985 called The "St. John Baptiste Massacre" where in a match with The Garvins taking on The Rougeaus, The Garvins attacked all 3 of them and left them beaten and bloody and Jacques Sr. being carted off on a stretcher with the crowd livid. So the video opens with The Garvins and Precious in the ring and Jimmy poses and Precious sprays some disinfectant Gorgeous Geroge style to the jeers of the French Canadian crowd. Here comes the Rougeaus to a great reception and they bring along Jacques Sr to be at ringside. The Rougeau's try and enter the ring and get pearl harbored by The Garvins again! after another attempt they struggle in through the barrage of blows from The Garvins and they're up to their feet in the ring and returning fire and it's a 4 man brawl to start this match with Jimmy Garvin not even getting his sequined jacket off. The Rougeaus gain the upper hand and take a Garvin to opposing corners and whip them off into each other casing them to collide and fall flat on their backs in the center of the ring. The Rougeaus follow up with a classic old school row boat spot on the Garvins and then after pummeling them with a few more punches, take turns with Jacques firing Jimmy Garvin off to deliver a back body drop and Raymond sending Ron Garvin off and catching him with a sleeper hold. Finally Jimmy powders out and the two referees(I guess they used two referees for tag matches in Quebec, which judging by this match did a whole lot of good) and we have this match under order with Ron Garvin making the ropes to break the sleeper hold getting pounded around the ring by Raymond. The Rougeaus keep control for a good while with the highlights being a really safe looking piledriver on Ron followed by a tag in to Jacques and a body slam by Raymond followed immediately by a flying fist drop by Jacques which is then immediately followed by a flying knee drop from Jacques that leaves the crowd roaring and Ron bleeding and staggering around the ring. Jacques runs over to the corner and catches Jimmy Garvin on the ropes and beell tosses him off the top rope with a slam Flair style. Raymond comes back in to tee off on Jimmy while Jacques does the same on Ron and it's all 4 guys back in the ring. The Rougeaus get Ron up for a really safe looking spike piledriver which Ron sells by balancing on his head for a few seconds, Jacques makes the cover and gets a near fall. Ron starts trying to mount a comeback and Ron and Jacques trade wild punches, slaps, and open hand chops but Jacques maintains the upper hand. Only a wild jumping headbutt from Ron stuns Jacques long enough for him to finally tag in Jimmy who starts unloading on Jacques and choking him into the corner. Jimmy gets over excited though and tries whipping Jacques to the opposite corner which is reversed and eats another back body drop and Jacques tags in Raymond. Jimmy begs off but Raymond with the crowd roaring their approval chases Jimmy into the corner and starts putting the boots to him, Ron comes in to help and gets decked for his troubles then they both suffer a meeting of the minds as Raymond has both Garvins knocked down crawling on the mat. Ron Garvin yanks Raymond down by the tights and starts choking him, Jacques comes in and Ron lets go of his choke and exchanges blows with him all the while Jimmy picks up where Ron left off and starts choking Raymond who is still on the mat. The two referees finally restore order and it's Jimmy with a shoddy looking sleeper/chin lock on Raymond in the ring and the camera pans over to Ron on the apron and a graphic with a string of X's like this, xxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxxxx poorly trying to censor his bloody face. Raymond tries to mount a comeback, arm dragging out of the hold and running and hitting a shoulder tackle before catching a headbutt to the stomach from Jimmy that puts him back down on the mat where he's placed back in the hold. The crowd cheers Raymond back to his feet and he fights into a top wristlock position, Jimmy reaches out and tags in Ron as they are close to the Garvin corner and Ron throws and lands a vicious body kick that crumples Raymond back to the corner and Ron pummels his with a few more kicks and punches before a snap-mare and a crucifix pin attempt on Raymond that he fights to resist being pinned by and Jacques comes in and fist drops him out of it. Jimmy Garvin comes in as the referees try and usher Jacques out and starts chocking Raymond with a length of rope or tape which despite the crowd yelling the two referees cannot see it as Jimmy conceals it with a sleeper hold. While this is going on Ron bumrushes Jacques on the apron and Jacques comes back in and they trades blows, finally after a few wild moments of the 4 going at it again the referees get Ron and Jacques back to their respective corners and Jimmy has Raymond in the chinlock/sleeper hold on the mat. The crowd cheers Raymond back to his feet again and the fights out of the hold and he and Jimmy run the ropes in a back and forth tackle spots that ends with them colliding and both men are down and the referees institute the 10 count. Raymond gets the tag first with Jimmy tagging Ron seconds later, the slight second advantage allows Jacques to meet Ron in the center with a kick loaded up and he starts exchanging blows with Ron before hitting him with a nice high dropkick. Jimmy Garvin sneaks up behind Jacques and tries to gain the two on one advantage but as the Garvins get control and shoot Jacques off the ropes, Jacques ducks their double clothesline and nails them with a double dropkick with one foot hitting each Garvin with the crowd popping and cheering Jacques on. Raymond joins Jacques and they back both Garvins into opposing corners and again try shooting them into one another but this time the Garvins reverse and send The Rougeaus into each other with the crowd audibly groaning at the reversal of fortune. We see Jimmy follow up by putting the boots to Jacques who slinks out to the floor by the post and as Jimmy tries to continue kicking him, Jacques counters and sweeps Jimmy off his feet. Jacques then still holding Jimmy's feet looks to the crowd and yanks Jimmy's groin into the post and the crowd goes bananas. It pans back to Raymond still in the ring peppering Ron with blows and the camera pans back to Jacques who posts Jimmy again to a another pop. The match has broken down at this point and Raymond knocks Ron out of the ring to the floor near Jacques Sr. where Ron takes a cheap shot at him before he and Jimmy flee as the referees both waive the match off. This match ends in a DQ for The Rougeaus as Jacques Sr. joins The Rougeaus in the ring as they both parade around the ring arms raised in victory as Jacques Sr. shakes their hands in approval of their moral victory against The Garvins. So overall this match was a very good fun brawl that once you understand the backstory fits perfectly and makes it that much better. The Garvins were getting their asses handed to them but yet were cunning enough to get The Rougeaus to get themselves DQ'd out of the rage over the previous attack from The Garvins. The crowd was hot and loved The Rougeaus and it really made every little thing that much more captivating as the crowd wanted to see The Gavins pay and despite not getting the win, The Rougeaus got a moral victory and some revenge while leaving the door open for a return where they could finally get their win over The Garvins. Fantastic watch, I'd give it ***3/4.
  12. I agree with the overall work he did in making David look great and getting the spectacle over to the crowd but as a veteran the whole busted light tube accidentally almost cutting Arquette's throat was a pretty big blunder by Gage. Nick should've known better as a vet than to do that with someone as green as Arquette, especially after Gage almost bled to death at TOD that time hitting those tubes despite having worked spots with light tubes probably a hundred times by that point. Could've done something much safer and gotten as good or greater a response with the crowd heat Gage gets from those fans.
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    All Elite Wrestling

    What about The hardcore homo Angel? or Kaos? I'd take one of them over Janella any day.
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    The length of wrestling shows & overkill

    I like 90 mins to 2 hours for weekly stuff and 3 to 3 1/2 hours for major shows including pre-show. Then maybe 4 hours for a one time spectacular a year like Wrestle Kingdom or 'Mania. For smaller groups mentioned that I watch like MLW and NWA Powerrr 60 mins is plenty as I can squeeze them in among my other watching where if they were 2 hours I'd have to skip one or the other.
  15. So here's my second ever review as part of The Secret Santo match trade give to me by Lucha enthusiast Rah. I like I've mentioned previously am a casual as casual can be lucha guy as I have never dedicated a ton of time to delve into the style and am only knowledgeable about the most famous names, companies and cross over groups and talents from Japan and North America. So all that aside here we go with this match from a company I've never seen nor heard of featuring guys in a similar boat with me. The arena is a good size and decently filled with a loud and vocal crowd which is great as dead crowds really make me less interested when watching. They are fighting in the crowd as the match starts and my first look at Demus who sports a big beard and face paint is that he looks like Damián 666 (Someone I do know from XPW). Upon pausing and googling him I come to find out he was part of the 'Mini's' division although not a dwarf and was a takeoff of Damian...go figure. Wotan has a Mr. JL looking mask with darker colors that covers his face like a gangbanger's bandanna would and is bleeding as he is thrown by Demus into the boards over some chairs in the crowd. Some nice vicious looking headbutts from Demus on Wotan establishes Demus is in firm control and he grandstands and taunts over Wotan's bloody fallen body. Demus continues now biting and headbutting Wotan, then dragging him back towards the ringside area and tosses him over the railing and grabs a chair which he bashes wildly over Wotan's head. Demus tosses Wotan into the ring and beats on him some more including a nice cannonball into the corner of a seated Wotan that earns Damus a 2 count. We get a few more moments of Demus headbutting and sentoning Waton gaining more 2 counts and arguing and threatening violence towards the referee when he's unable to garner the 3, obviously this Demus is a bit of a wildman nut as if his crazy facepaint doesn't already give that impression. After taking advantage of Demus being distracted by arguing with the referee, Waton gains the upperhand knocking Demus to the floor, he scores some headbutts of his own before asking and receiving a ringside fan's chair and bashing Demus a few times before slinging him over the rail and they are back in the crowd. Now with both men bleeding profusely and Waton's mask now hanging around his chinand neck like a cowboy's bandanna. they brawl in the crowd going back and forth for a few mins before spilling back over the rail to ringside. They exchange some headbutts back and forth from being on their knees on the floor before making it back into the ring. They brawl some more from their knees in the ring exchanging forearms and Demus looks for a pin but only gets another 2, Wotan then gains the upper hand stringing together some offence highlighted by a slingshot from the apron into the ring on a lying prone Demus catching his knees on the top rope and landing a flipping senton that causes Demus to roll out to the floor again. From there Demus doesn't really sell but starts appealing to the crowd to which Waton half halfheartedly mirrors inside the ring until after about 30 seconds of this, Waton takes off and does a tope sucida out onto Demus standing on the floor but overshoots him a bit and Demus doesn't make the catch causing Waton to bounce off the floor and crash into the rail. Demus then no sells the dive and gets up and starts doing the Terry Funk routine of grabbing ringside chairs and tossing a half dozen of them into the ring and starts to wander over to another side of the ring and pulls out a couple sheets of plywood that he slides into the ring as well. As Demus is doing this Waton who is not selling really either and fixing his knees pads on the floor starts appealing to the crowd before finally getting up and heading back into the ring where Demus has already reentered and is setting up chairs. As Waton starts to come through the ropes Demus clobbers him with a chair shot and out of nowhere finally makes good on his earlier threats and smacks the referee with the chair putting the ref on his belly selling on the mat(well at least someone is gonna sell). Demus spends the next min or so setting up chairs in the ring and takes a moment to clobber Waton and the referee again with a chair and then hops up and down appealing to the crowd who respond with a chant so I guess they're enjoying his handy work. Demus sets up about 8 chairs in 2 rows with the seats facing each other but is interrupted when he turns around and gets a loose chair thrown at him by Waton which smashes him in the head and he goes down. Waton appeals the the crowd again and it's rinse a repeat as he again tosses the chair at Demus's head as Demus is laying on the mat. It is here the match for me begins to devolve into clusterfuck levels as Waton first starts moving the chairs Demus has set up as apparently they weren't positioned to his liking. Then he removes 3 or 4 of them as there are too many for his liking as well. Then he starts to fumble with trying to set up the huge flimsy looking 6 X 4' or so plywood sheet which the now recovered ref helps him with as I guess since Demus clobbered him sorta makes some sense. The whole chair contraption fails and almost all of them fold up and collapse and the sheet just falls over as Demus gets up and clobbers Waton and the referee again with a chair. He tries to remedy the whole set up readding the chairs he had set up originally and rests one end on the bottom rope and the sheet of plywood is now set up. Demus and Waton brawl a bit wildly with a chair before Demus gains the upperhand and scoops Waton up for a slam and gingerly places him on the plywood contraption. He scales the rope and leaps off with a splash with Waton rolling out of the way and Demus smashing through the plywood board which blows apart into 4/5 pieces which looked great and sorta saved the whole thing for me a little bit. Waton covers Demus and gets the 3 count and he and the referee celebrate. We get the highlights of the match replayed with some nice camera angles. Cut back the the ring and Demus starts cutting off his beard with a pair of classroom scissors and hands the clippings to Waton, Demus then gives a short speech and then continues cutting off his beard whole Waton celebrates and kisses the clippings which due to his bloody face must've stuck to it a bit so pretty gross. So overall opinion this match reminded me of something you would have seen on an ECW card in 1995 with wild brawling and sometimes reckless and botched spots. Demus seemed to play his role well and Waton was okay but both really didn't sell much at the points I though mattered and the whole struggle to set up the finish with that plywood sheet came off as clumsy and contrived and a simple table would've probably cut out all the nonsense and struggle. Overall as a very casual lucha fan I give it **1/4 stars, it had some bright spots with a pretty receptive and noise making crowd and the finish once it got off looked great with Demus crashing through that board despite it's non threatening appearance. Lucha fans more familiar with this promotion and these two would probably like it more than me but it didn't feel like a total waste of time or offensive to sit through and I'd like to see more lucha as there must be talents I'm missing out on due to this blindspot.
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    Sean Oliver's Kayfabe Podcast

    Sucks he isn't putting it on YouTube, I agree it would help greatly spread his reach and probably help downloads since few will check out a random podcast on Stitcher like I ended up doing to listen to it. Anyway my thoughts with the first episode were; Pros - I like that it's only an hour as any podcast that runs more than 90 mins is too long to add into my rotation with all the wrestling podcasts I follow currently - I enjoyed he still pushes the questions he wants to know and his straight forward opinions on things like he did on the KC releases with him pushing Conrad to talk about how difficult Flair was to podcast with or how he thinks most wrestlers are best to interview when they're having a cocktail and how Howard Stern sucks now. - I enjoyed him talking about his passion for the shoot interview and how it benefited talents who did them with his group like Dutch and his book sales picking up (I definitely was someone who bought both of Dutch's books after hearing him on Guest Booker). - I enjoyed how he pointed out how negative the online social media world is and how they need to make a beef between people like Sean/Conrad or how they like to take one small aspect and pretend it's the whole story like harping on the silly 'how big is Batista's dick?' question from 1 series KC did that wasn't even Sean's question but a fan's and ignore the big picture of all Sean and KC produced over the decade of great content. Cons - The opening bit with the little girl (daughter?) was off putting and out of place with the tone Sean has when he talks on the show so I hope they ax that and change it to a different open. - Sean sometime pauses for a long time when thinking through his comments which on screen is no big deal because you can see him but listening it;s dead air and made me think my stream froze a few times. Not to say it's completely avoidable but it was distracting at points so I imagine the more episodes he does the less it'll happen. - The pacing was a bit all over the place and he really didn't lay out the format much so if I hadn't read your review beforehand I'd have been a bit jumbled on what was going on by just listening without any foreknowledge of what was discussed ahead of time. I know it's only the first episode so not a big deal but hopefully he gets a steady format down in the episodes to come or at least give us a run down of what's to come in the opening so it's doesn't comes off as so all over the place getting from open to plugging the KC sales stuff to interview to closing thoughts and the Q&A's sprinkled randomly throughout. That works alright for the revamped YouShoots when they changed the formats a few years back but again it helps when you can see what's going on vs just listening. Overall I though it was pretty good with some rough edges to iron out. I love Sean though and will be tuning in either way and look forward to him having some more guests on and what he can do one he gets his podcasting legs under him. If KC starts producing their series again like he said they would after the break it'd be a great companion piece for the podcast to sometimes be a place to discuss previews or follow ups or behind the screens stuff going on at these shoots. Also seeing him answer Q&A himself personally would be great as I loved the Sean Q&A thread on his message board back in the day and his appearances on IYH Wrestling.
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    The Classic Arenas

    This is a cool thread, I always thought it'd be a fun project to make a set of all the best matches from within the most famous venues of wrestling around the globe; some buildings have held decades of legendary matches and I imagine there would be quite a spread of great matches from different groups in some buildings especially places like Korakuen Hall or The Arena in Philly.
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    Sean Oliver's Kayfabe Podcast

    Thanks for the post, had no idea he was launching a podcast but I'm also a big fan of Sean and KC so I'll definitely be following. It seems sad to see KC done with the Shoot Interview DVD business, they dominated for a decade in my eyes for best shoot interviews for their early YouShoots and historical based series like Timeline and back to the Territories, I look forward to them making new releases for the KC Vault through, they have such a great way of getting the best interviews out of wrestling talent when things are clicking.
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    Current New Japan

    Maybe doing the Super Jr and G1 back to back has finally gotten him too beat up to pull off another big singles match in such a short turn around time.
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    Translating Puro/Joshi Promos

    That was great, thanks for the update. I watched the whole thing and really enjoyed it. Thought the Aja reference to serving Hakuto the final drink of water before her death was pretty badass.
  23. Thank you, I forgot to check Ditch's site.
  24. On the recent Pacific Rim Podcast Fumi Saito mentioned one of Yoshiaki Yatsu's greatest matches was a singles bout against a young Nobuhiko Takada. I've searched online but come up empty, does anyone have this match that they could share? I'm a big Takada fan and really like Yatsu and would love to check this one out.