El Dragon Posted June 18, 2018 Report Posted June 18, 2018 Ultimo Dragon > Shinsuke Nakamura Not exactly a Hot Take. I can't imagine anyone in their right mind disagreeing with this. As a wrestler, yes. As a draw? The other things that usually go with being a WON HOF member? I could maybe buy influence because of Dragon Gate, but it's a lose call. He was one of the top 3 cruiserweights in WCW, for whatever that's worth. If he influenced Dragon Gate, that's pretty big. Also, there's a move named after him (that I think he also invented) - the Asai Moonsault. Good enough for the WON HOF. Mysterio, Malenko, Guerrero. He was not as good in WCW as any of those. He was also put into the Hall in fucking 96. That predates Dragon Gate. If we are still talking weirdest HOF calls at the time, Ultimo is undeniable. Quote
Mad Dog Posted June 18, 2018 Report Posted June 18, 2018 I think he made the Hall in 2004 which would be a fair time. Quote
hammerva Posted June 18, 2018 Report Posted June 18, 2018 Wow she is taking a ton of punishment in this match. Shocking to me Quote
El Dragon Posted June 18, 2018 Report Posted June 18, 2018 I think he made the Hall in 2004 which would be a fair time. Actually you are correct. I am tired and not reading clearly. Quote
NintendoLogic Posted June 18, 2018 Report Posted June 18, 2018 Ronda's actually a heck of a seller, even though this probably isn't the role she should be in. Quote
stunning_grover Posted June 18, 2018 Report Posted June 18, 2018 I remember in 1996/1997, general consensus was that Dragon was on the level of Liger, Guerrero, Benoit and Miserio Jr. He was considered a great high flyer pre-Ultimo Dragon gimmick. Then, he was praised for changing his style to a smarter style that involved less high flying. Quote
stunning_grover Posted June 18, 2018 Report Posted June 18, 2018 Not saying I necessarily exactly agree with that though. Quote
The Chief Posted June 18, 2018 Report Posted June 18, 2018 Rousey winning is the only decision that makes sense. They can do a screwy finish to "protect" her but they already did one in the other women's match so I'm remaining optimistic. Fingers crossed. Quote
Mad Dog Posted June 18, 2018 Report Posted June 18, 2018 I remember in 1996/1997, general consensus was that Dragon was on the level of Liger, Guerrero, Benoit and Miserio Jr. He was considered a great high flyer pre-Ultimo Dragon gimmick. Then, he was praised for changing his style to a smarter style that involved less high flying. It's a shame they botched that surgery and cost him a couple of years. I think his CMLL stuff is pretty underrated as well. Quote
hammerva Posted June 18, 2018 Report Posted June 18, 2018 How the hell did Rousey not break Nia's neck. Terrible idea but looks impressive Quote
stunning_grover Posted June 18, 2018 Report Posted June 18, 2018 Ronda Rousey is doing great so far. Quote
Coffey Posted June 18, 2018 Report Posted June 18, 2018 Rolling my fucking eyes harder than they've ever rolled in my life. Quote
C.S. Posted June 18, 2018 Report Posted June 18, 2018 Nia was an awful champion. Bliss was a good one. It was too soon for Rousey to win. I'm fine with this. Quote
stunning_grover Posted June 18, 2018 Report Posted June 18, 2018 This is tremendous! Alexa Bliss is the champion! Quote
El Dragon Posted June 18, 2018 Report Posted June 18, 2018 Yeah, I'm super ready for Alexa to go away for a good long while. Quote
Zoo Enthusiast Posted June 18, 2018 Report Posted June 18, 2018 It’s all just delaying the inevitable with Ronda now because she fucking rules. Quote
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