Guest Bruiser Chong Posted August 24, 2006 Report Share Posted August 24, 2006 I can't find a thread on it and since the match listing seems to be recently released, here we are. I swiped this from someone who swiped it, just to cite my sources. Bruce Hart & Brian Pillman vs. Midnight Cowboys 4/23/88 for International tag team titles Pillman vs. Lex Luger 10/28/89 Halloween Havoc Pillman & Tom Zenk vs. Michael Hayes & Jimmy Garvin 2/12/90 Pillman & Austin doing "A Flare for the Old" segment on WCW TV War Games 1991 with Pillman & Sting & Steiners vs. Four Horsemen Pillman vs. Ricky Morton 10/27/91 Pillman & El Gigante vs. Barry Windham & Arn Anderson 6/12/91 loser leaves town match (Leads to Yellow Dog angle) Pillman & Windham vs. Johnny Gunn & Zenk 12/26/92 Pillman & Austin vs. Ricky Steamboat & Shane Douglas 5/23/93 WCW Thundercage with Pillman & Sting & Dustin Rhodes vs. Paul Orndorff & Austin & Rick Rude Pillman vs. Jushin Liger (First Nitro Match) Pillman vs. Dean Malenko 1/22/96 Nitro Pillman vs. Eddie Guerrero 1/23/96 Clash of Champions Pillman vs. Austin 6/16/97 Raw Calgary Stampede Hart Foundation vs. Austin & Shamrock & LOD & Goldust 7/6/97 Pillman vs. Goldust 9/7/97 Pillman vs. Liger 2/22/92 SuperBrawl from Milwaukee Truth be told, I was only familiar with WWF Brian Pillman, so this will be a must-buy for me. I recall the SuperBrawl match with Liger being a terrific opener and I think the War Games match will be enough to justify a purchase for many. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JHawk Posted August 24, 2006 Report Share Posted August 24, 2006 That's certainly much better than the "original" lineup that had been going around the last two weeks. Plenty of stuff I don't have, and I've never seen the Pillman-Liger match uncut, so I'm definitely putting this on my Christmas list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Dog Posted August 25, 2006 Report Share Posted August 25, 2006 Now that's a great looking DVD. Funny how the DVDs turn out better when they aren't obsessed with cramming as much WWF footage in there as possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loss Posted August 25, 2006 Report Share Posted August 25, 2006 Pillman/Luger may be the best match on the set, and it will shock people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goodhelmet Posted August 25, 2006 Report Share Posted August 25, 2006 I would agree with you if the Wargames match wasn't on there. It does look like the best 1-on-1 matchup however although some people would argue the Liger match is better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loss Posted August 25, 2006 Report Share Posted August 25, 2006 And they'd be wrong. I don't know how I'd compare that War Games to that Luger/Pillman match. Both are pretty awesome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Cam Chaos Posted August 25, 2006 Report Share Posted August 25, 2006 Not a single Scotty Flamingo vs Pillman match...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Razz Posted August 26, 2006 Report Share Posted August 26, 2006 Are they going to edit out the Jesse Ventura commentary? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bruiser Chong Posted August 27, 2006 Report Share Posted August 27, 2006 Probably. They've done that for every other release, sans the Wrestlemania sets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sek69 Posted August 27, 2006 Report Share Posted August 27, 2006 It's pretty funny to see WCW matches where Tony is having a one sided conversation with himself, yet you can see Jesse sitting at ringside at some point. Also, anyone have a release date for this DVD yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty Posted August 27, 2006 Report Share Posted August 27, 2006 It's pretty funny to see WCW matches where Tony is having a one sided conversation with himself, yet you can see Jesse sitting at ringside at some point. Also, anyone have a release date for this DVD yet? September 26 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bruiser Chong Posted September 17, 2006 Report Share Posted September 17, 2006 This is going to be $14.99 at CC release week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty Posted September 22, 2006 Report Share Posted September 22, 2006 Got this bad boy already today, four days before the official release date. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loss Posted September 23, 2006 Report Share Posted September 23, 2006 Watch Pillman/Luger, and report back, please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty Posted September 25, 2006 Report Share Posted September 25, 2006 The Pillman-Luger match is superb; definitely one of Luger's best, and certainly one of Pillman's best. I need to rewatch the set again before deciding what match is the best of the bunch, but this match is definitely up there, as is Will's choice of WarGames (albeit, Sid's blatant calling of spots in the match is hilarious). That match is one of those things that cause you to ask yourself, "What the heck happened to Luger?" I should mention that I love the look of NWA/WCW back in the late 80s and early 90s. Love the light blue ring mat, and the blue-white-gold ropes (or whatever other colour scheme they would use). It's a really nice visual appearance and easy to watch. Of course, most of the wrestlers in the company at that time didn't hurt either. On top of that, and this has been said often, but that entrance ramp ruled. They had just the right amount of lighting too. It's funny, but the WWE will probably never do a WCW history compilation DVD, but something like this just made me miss WCW that much more. Funny how it works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loss Posted September 25, 2006 Report Share Posted September 25, 2006 Production values were good enough when TBS first purchased the NWA that PPVs still don't look dated 17 years later. Flair had 4 or 5 really phenomenal ring entrances, and so did almost everyone else. They also had a knack that year for picking great music for everyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bruiser Chong Posted September 29, 2006 Report Share Posted September 29, 2006 Watched the main feature and a few extras. Just a few notes; I'm sure I'll have more after watching everything else: - As usual, the feature's strong, but not something I'm likely to revist in full. The portion about their childhood never really interests me, but I had been unaware the case for Pillman's gravely voice. - I didn't know the Hollywood Blondes were constructed as a JTTS team. There are a lot of references to politicking leading to the team's demise. Are they talking about Hogan or others? - It's interesting JR notes that an active wrestler with any creative input is a recipe for disaster, considering HHH and all. - The feature drives home how Vince tried to capitalize on Pillman's death with the widow interview the following night on RAW. I was a regular viewer during this time and didn't think much of it. But seeing Vince's announcement at Badd Blood and the interview the next night, back-to-back, just makes it seem like Vince was already thinking about ratings. - I never fail to cringe when I see Sid drop Pillman on his head in the War Games match. - The story about Pillman's "masterpiece" was disgusting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loss Posted September 30, 2006 Report Share Posted September 30, 2006 - I didn't know the Hollywood Blondes were constructed as a JTTS team. There are a lot of references to politicking leading to the team's demise. Are they talking about Hogan or others? Ric Flair's return to WCW teaming with Arn Anderson against the Hollywood Blonds at the June '93 Clash drew a low rating, and the Blonds took the blame for it. The idea was to get Austin away from Pillman, thinking that Austin was being wasted in a team that didn't mean anything. I e-mailed Meltzer a while back about this. He said everyone knew breaking them up was a mistake because they were a great team, but the idea to break them up -- Dusty's idea -- was actually just an attempt to make better use of Austin. This time period has caused some confusion, with some people saying Flair broke up the Blonds, and others saying Flair was grooming Austin for a World title run. Neither is true. Flair was not booking until months after the Blonds were broken up, and there were never any plans constructed by Flair for Austin to win the WCW World title either. Austin's push remained steady in the upper midcard until Hogan came in and Duggan squashed Austin in seconds at Fall Brawl '94. Austin apparently had the idea to be Hulk Hogan's brother and tag team partner in storylines and start Steve-O-Mania in WCW, but that was turned down. He then ran into trouble as they went into '95. He was scheduled to do a job for Renegade at a TV taping and left the TV taping and I believe flew home. Hulk Hogan and Kevin Sullivan convinced him to come back after promising him that if he put over Renegade, they would re-unite the Hollywood Blonds. Austin took that a step further and even agreed to put over Randy Savage as well. The Blonds reunion never happened, although it was planned at one time. Austin then got injured and was fired by FedEx, which is pretty legendary by now. Bischoff's side of the story was that his attitude was a problem in WCW, he was injury prone and that he wasn't marketable. History has made Austin's side more prevalent, and I'm not saying I agree at all with Bischoff's assessment of Austin, but it does at least make sense considering the state of WCW and where Austin was in the grand scheme of things at the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resident Evil Posted September 30, 2006 Report Share Posted September 30, 2006 I would agree with you if the Wargames match wasn't on there. It does look like the best 1-on-1 matchup however although some people would argue the Liger match is better. 5/23/93 is the rare Worldwide match, isn't it? If so, that IMO is even better than Pillman vs Luger. What a great match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strummer Posted September 30, 2006 Report Share Posted September 30, 2006 Bischoff has stated several times that Austin called him up with the idea of being Hogan's brother in storyline. Austin has refuted the claims and said he never came up with the idea and that Hogan was just out for him. For some reason I'm inclined to believe Bischoff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loss Posted September 30, 2006 Report Share Posted September 30, 2006 Me too, especially since Austin said in an interview in ECW that he came up with the idea for Steve-O-Mania and it was turned down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Dog Posted October 1, 2006 Report Share Posted October 1, 2006 You know Bischoff is really made out to be an idiot by history but I have to say I almost always agree with his thought process when he explains why he did stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loss Posted October 1, 2006 Report Share Posted October 1, 2006 He has his flaws like everyone else, namely the blind Hogan worship and vendetta against Ric Flair, but yes, he has probably been overly villified. I'm interested in him explaining his relationship with Flair in his book, why Benoit/Jericho/Guerrero et al didn't get main event pushes, why he stuck with Hogan when he stopped drawing, why he allowed Nash to book, why he fired Austin and Waltman by FedEx, why he insisted on unmasking all the luchadores, why he hated tag teams and gave Rick Steiner and Buff Bagwell million dollar contracts ... we've really only heard the other side to all of these stories. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resident Evil Posted October 1, 2006 Report Share Posted October 1, 2006 He has his flaws like everyone else, namely the blind Hogan worship and vendetta against Ric Flair, but yes, he has probably been overly villified. I'm interested in him explaining his relationship with Flair in his book, why Benoit/Jericho/Guerrero et al didn't get main event pushes, why he stuck with Hogan when he stopped drawing, why he allowed Nash to book, why he fired Austin and Waltman by FedEx, why he insisted on unmasking all the luchadores, why he hated tag teams and gave Rick Steiner and Buff Bagwell million dollar contracts ... we've really only heard the other side to all of these stories. Loss, there's a 4 part series on WWE.com where Eric Bishoff is interviewed by JBL about Eric's book. One of the questions he answers is why he allowed Nash to book. I won't ruin it for you here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sek69 Posted October 4, 2006 Report Share Posted October 4, 2006 I found it funny and interesting that they spent so much time on Brian's encyclopedic knowledge of wrestling when said knowledge is seen as the #1 way to not get or keep a job in the WWE. In fact, that's one of the most puzzling paradoxes of the company right now. They always stress in DVDs and whatnot how important it is to know the history of the business and respect it, yet if anyone dares to let it be known that they're even a fan they get looked down on as a dumb mark. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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