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[1004Holds]

Allegedly HHH refused to lose to Angle when that love triangle story with Stephanie was going on because he felt that his character wouldn't lose to someone like Angle.

actually it was that a girl would never leave him for someone like Angle (or for anyone really). Not necessarily that he wouldn't do a job for Angle

 

But isn't that why he didn't do the job in the first place. I thought that was the reason why the ending got changed.

[Slasher]

I think it was implied that the winner of the match got Stephanie, in an unofficial capacity, therefore, no HHH did not believe Angle deserved to win (the match and by extension, the girl).

[Jingus]

Has Angle ever scored anything even resembling a clean win over HHH? He got a pinfall at Royal Rumble '01, but only with Stone Cold running in to attack Triple H and hand him the match. Does he go on that same shelf with guys like Kane and Jericho who never once got a meaningful win over Captain Trips despite multiple feuds with him?

[Loss]

That brings up an interesting point.

 

Jericho has largely been doing his own angles since coming back.

 

If he ends up programmed with HHH again, which I suspect will happen at some point, how is that going to work? It'll be interesting to hear the HHH case for why Jericho can put together a program with Michaels, but not one with him. I would be surprised if Jericho got any input at all, despite the fact that HHH pretty much leaves him alone now.

[Tim Evans]

Well HHH and Jericho are on opposite brands now so it won't happen for a while.

[Slasher]

I think Triple H only leaves him alone because he got embarrassed by Jericho's recent breakthrough as a top level heel after all his mockery in the beginning of his comeback.

[1004Holds]

I think Triple H only leaves him alone because he got embarrassed by Jericho's recent breakthrough as a top level heel after all his mockery in the beginning of his comeback.

Why does HHH hate Jericho so much? I used to think he legit hated the Rock until Jericho came along. I think the only wrestlers I've ever seen him have more disdain for were RVD and Booker T.

[Jingus]

Differing styles, maybe? HHH is clearly an NWA mark who copies plenty of Harley & Horsemen schtick, with a side serving of Billy Graham. Meanwhile, even toned-down modern Jericho is obviously influenced by the Japanese way of doing things. Aside from that, I dunno, maybe they're just two of those personalities who instinctively rub each other the wrong way.

[Slasher]

I don't think Jericho himself had beef with Triple H to begin with. It's through all these years of heavy politicking by HHH that Jericho had grown weary of him. As for Triple H, he was trying to establish himself as a bonafide main eventer when Jericho came in. He was probably insecure with the fact this skinny punk was getting better reactions right out of the gate than he, who put in all these years of kissing ass, and grew jealous from there. Now though? Triple H knows he has been accepted by the fans, so he probably figures it to be a better move to just act like a professional around people, because like I said, I think the reactions the others had towards HHH's mockery of Jericho combined with Jericho pretty much kicking ass since coming back showed HHH that he had essentially "lost" the war vs Jericho in a sense.

[sek69]

For those who are into the shoot interview thing, the Brickhouse Brown one is just amazing. If you can get past his use of "fuck" and its variants as every part of speech, it's one of the most entertaining ones I've heard in a while.

 

 

I legit LOL'd at him talking about his reaction when World Class booker Eric Embry told him he was dropping the Texas title to that "Ronald McDonald lookin' motherfucker" Gary Young.

[kjh]

Isn't the real irony that Shawn was joining in on the mockery of Chris Jericho only for Jericho to later become his best on screen rival in years? Or am I misremembering the story?

[Loss]

Actually, the story was that when HHH told the joke, Shawn didn't laugh.

 

I don't think HHH "hates" Jericho, as much as it is I think that he didn't want him jumping ahead of him in the pecking order, and did what he had to do to stop that from happening. Years later, there's no chance of that happening, so that probably explains why HHH has cooled.

[Slasher]

Actually, the story was that when HHH told the joke, Shawn didn't laugh.

 

I don't think HHH "hates" Jericho, as much as it is I think that he didn't want him jumping ahead of him in the pecking order, and did what he had to do to stop that from happening. Years later, there's no chance of that happening, so that probably explains why HHH has cooled.

Considering Kevin Nash gave Triple H some "information" on the new guy before he even arrived in WWF, yes, Triple H already had a negative opinion of Jericho before he realized that Jericho had a chance to unseat him.

[sek69]

I don't think HHH ever was concerned about Jericho unseating him, wasn't he already established with Stephanie by the time Jericho started in the WWF? It always seemed to me to be a case of that classic high school scenario where someone spreads some BS about a person and then that person's circle of friends has a negative opinion of the person based solely on the lies that were told.

 

The flip side to that, is eventually it becomes obvious that the things said were false, and it makes the people who believed them look silly.

[Jingus]

That still doesn't explain Hunter's pretty clear longterm bias against Jericho.

 

-First there was all that bitching we heard in 1999 about how the office didn't like Jericho's style. Depending on who you asked, he was either too stiff, too loose, too much of a spotty highflyer, too small to be doing all these heavyweight moves, or just "too WCW" whatever the hell that meant. Even if HHH wasn't officially part of management at the time, he certainly still had a lot of influence, and one must imagine that at least some of this complaining was stemming from him.

 

-Then there was the feud they had in 2000. You know, the one where heel HHH outsmarted babyface Jericho at every turn. And then heel Hunter cleanly won the blowoff match.

 

-Even worse was the feud in 2002. Hunter not only became the guy who beat Jericho to end his undisputed title reign, but he did so in a fashion which made Chris look like shit. Not only did HHH structure the entire Wrestlemania match around how invincible he was and how Jericho could only get offense on him by taking advantage of his badly injured leg. No, he also went out of his way to make Jericho look like a total loser in the storyline. Remember Lucy the dog? I wish I didn't.

 

-Jericho was one of those guys who suffered from that period where it seems like they were forcing every guy with long blonde hair on the roster (except for one, of course) to cut their hair short. Nothing really solid here, but still, another brick in the wall.

 

-Finally, the well-publicized incident of HHH going around backstage making his stupid mocking jokes about Jericho's impending return.

 

 

So what the fuck was Paul Leveque's problem with Chris Irvine?

[Cox]

I don't think HHH ever was concerned about Jericho unseating him, wasn't he already established with Stephanie by the time Jericho started in the WWF? It always seemed to me to be a case of that classic high school scenario where someone spreads some BS about a person and then that person's circle of friends has a negative opinion of the person based solely on the lies that were told.

 

The flip side to that, is eventually it becomes obvious that the things said were false, and it makes the people who believed them look silly.

Jericho came over during the summer of 1999. As crazy as it sounds, Hunter still hadn't even gotten his first World title reign when Jericho made the jump, and wasn't firmly established as a guy who could hold the belt. He didn't hook up with Stephanie on-screen until December of '99, and if they are to be believed, they fell in love after they became on on-screen couple, so Hunter's position as a top guy was pretty tenuous when Jericho came over. At the time, they were both competitors for that top heel spot. Soon thereafter, Hunter solidified himself, first by linking himself on-screen to Stephanie, then by having the strong program with Foley that cemented him as a true top guy, and finally by linking himself off-screen to Stephanie.

[kjh]

I think Hunter's problem with Jericho is that he didn't meekly accept his sabotage in 1999 (hard to not call it that when Hunter's friends were sandbagging Jericho and Jericho had to prove his worth by carrying and putting over his then girlfriend) like a Chris Benoit would, he was quite outspoken about it.

[Jingus]

Think it was a coincedence that Jericho's first scheduled feud was with Ken Shamrock? I know this is conspiracy theory territory, but I wouldn't put it past the company to "welcome" a new arrival by having the local badass beat the shit out of them. Heck, they kinda did the same think with the Dudleys around the same time by putting them with the Acolytes.

 

And good call on the Chyna thing, I'd forgotten that might be relevant. If anyone needs any proof of what a fucking miracle worker Jericho could be at his best, just check out the tolerable matches that he carried her to.

[tomk]

For those who are into the shoot interview thing, the Brickhouse Brown one is just amazing. If you can get past his use of "fuck" and its variants as every part of speech, it's one of the most entertaining ones I've heard in a while.

For a guy who woked (and was pushed ) for Bert Prentice alot, he sure talks about how if he had a pussy (like Mrs Texas) he would have used it just like her to get himself ahead.

[Bob Morris]

I'm not certain Jericho being put with Ken Shamrock for his first feud was so much an attempt to bury Jericho as it was that they didn't really have anybody else for him to face at that point. That was about the point when the WWF seemed hell bent on trying to make HHH a main eventer when nothing was clicking, so every top guy was somehow tied to HHH at that point.

 

Plus it was the time Vince Russo was still doing the booking and he seemed to be intent on recreating Jericho's WCW run and Shamrock was, in Russo's mind, the closest equivalent to Dean Malenko.

[Slasher]

Jericho was booked against Shamrock in part to teach Jericho how it felt to work with a stiff worker (there were complaints about him when he first came in, working too stiff) and in part because they wanted to temper Jericho's push after his mercurial debut against the Rock.

[tomk]

At what point was Shamrock considered to be a stiff worker?

[Jingus]

The point wasn't that he was a stiff worker, it's that they Just So Happened to match Jericho up with the company's top shooter in his first WWF feud. It wouldn't be the first time they'd taken measures to aggressively introduce someone to How Things Are Done Here.

 

Although I have heard stories about Shamrock being stiff; he hurt Vader in their first match together, and iirc Sabu once had a chair-throwing tantrum in the locker room of TNA over liberties he considered Ken had taken. With a guy who spent years as a professional fighter, it's not hard to imagine that he might throw some potatos out there, possibly more frequently and with more force than your average worker.

[Loss]

Lex Luger is down to 170 pounds:

 

http://notsam.posterous.com/for-those-wond...at-lex-luger-lo

[NitroFan]

Maybe this should go in the Myth thread, but how much truth is there to the "Chris Benoit: Greatest guy in the world until that day" talking point? I see people still bring this up, but then there are the stories like calling a Japanese ref a little bitch for crying or threatening to mangle his hands on the ring posts in WCW, which aren't the worst things you'll ever hear about a wrestler, but hardly something someone with the angelic reputation Benoit had would be doing.

 

What other stories of Benoit's sociopathic behaviour are there?