Ridiculous quotes from WO.com columnists

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Interesting post S.L.L, I totally agree that a lot the anti-DVDR sentiment can be anti-intellectual borne out of probably being confronted with a difficult to counter arguments about wrestlers and as well as the fundamental constructs how people learned to view Wrestling. There is probably and an in and an out group dynamic going on too.

 

But that doesnt preclude accusations of douchcebaggery, the type of discourse being grating etc. Sorry but the writing at times does come across as a group of people with a implicitly shared agenda/something to prove baiting and trolling rather a group of people who love wrestling who relatively speaking look under rocks to find it for whatever reason. When I know it is really the latter listening to most of you guys on audio.

 

It is not just the whole Chris Master/Mark Henry thing but the writing style/delivery too as EricR poked fun at here:

http://segundacaida.blogspot.com/2010/09/a...e-negative.html

[Dylan Waco]

I had never heard of Mission Of Burma 9 years ago, but then I read the book Our Band Could Be Your Life, and I already liked most of the bands featured in that book, and Azerrad made a lot of compelling arguments why I might really like MOB, so I checked them out.....and they have since become a band I have seen live 4 times and whose albums get frequent play in my car. Am I a bandwagon jumper, because I now love a band who had previously flown under my radar?

DVDVR poster

 

Let me try to explain my (sometimes convoluted) thinking - say I showed someone "It's A Wonderful Life" and "Transformers". I don't think I'd need to explain why Jimmy Stewart is a better actor than Shia LeBeouf. If I needed to explain why Stewart was better without the person being able to figure it out themselves, then I have no idea how I could ever convince them

 

My explanation isn't going to be a better selling point than Stewart's performance. Does that make any sense?

As I told him at the time, his comment proved my point for me - It's a Wonderful Life was critically panned and a box office bomb upon it's initial release in 1946. It wasn't until the 70's that the tide of critical and public opinion started to turn in it's favor.

 

Am I a bandwagon jumper because I think It's a Wonderful Life is one of the best movies of all time?

 

Isn't that Ganc?

[sek69]

I honestly don't ever recall someone seriously being all about MOVEZ~! in a non-ironic sense. I think this is most of what causes these interweb arguments. There was once a time where I thought everyone on DVDVR was 100% serious in their love of wrestlers most people would find shitty. It's not like they honestly think Henry/Masters/et al are great wrestlers, they like them because they tend to personify how ridiculous wrestling can be. It's more obvious when you read their road reports of shitty indy feds in VA or whatever. A new person joins the board and sees what appears to be a legit discussion of the greatness of some midcard guy, and off to the races it goes.

 

Of course, I could be wrong. I haven't posted at DVDVR for probably 5 years now, but that's how it was the last time I was there and a lot of these so called talking points were being laid out.

[goodhelmet]

Putting everyone who posts at DVDVR under one banner is another mistake that people tend to make. I mean shit, the correct subgroups are Schneider guys, Naylor guys and DEAN guys.

[S.L.L.]

Isn't that Ganc?

Man, everybody is Ganc.

[sek69]

Isn't that Ganc?

Man, everybody is Ganc.

 

 

I never got him, I mean he used to get a reaction back when I had opinions4u on a lot of things, but his whole "occasionally delete my own account only for another with a low post count but admin status to appear" gimmick was puzzling.

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Anyone see the new look Figure 4 Weekly:

http://www.f4wonline.com/images/Pics2/News...ectory4/795.jpg

 

It might a false memory but didnt Bryan once tell a story about Wade angrily ringing him over a re-design of the F4W as it aped the Torch once? He needs to ring again. lol

[goc]

I honestly don't ever recall someone seriously being all about MOVEZ~! in a non-ironic sense. I think this is most of what causes these interweb arguments. There was once a time where I thought everyone on DVDVR was 100% serious in their love of wrestlers most people would find shitty. It's not like they honestly think Henry/Masters/et al are great wrestlers, they like them because they tend to personify how ridiculous wrestling can be. It's more obvious when you read their road reports of shitty indy feds in VA or whatever. A new person joins the board and sees what appears to be a legit discussion of the greatness of some midcard guy, and off to the races it goes.

 

Of course, I could be wrong. I haven't posted at DVDVR for probably 5 years now, but that's how it was the last time I was there and a lot of these so called talking points were being laid out.

Yea I think you're pretty far off with a lot of this. Having been to one of those "shitty indy feds in VA" recently I can see how someone would really get into a Sean Denny or a Scotty Blaze. Because when you're watching indies those guys really stand out as good because most of the rest of the guys are really shitty. Plus, Masters really is that good.

[sek69]

I never saw anything to indicate Masters was any good, I think people just felt sorry for him because he got mocked by DX in one of their real class act dick moves.

[Phil Schneider]

Jesus you fucking dimwit, no one is pretending to like anyone. Masters has had a bunch of great matches in the last couple of months, there have dozens of posts by dozens of dudes pointing out the specific matches, posting links ect, guys like EricR, Dylan and S.L.L. have written books on exactly what they enjoy about him. This isn't some giant conspiracy, I have never pimped a wrestler that I didn't think was actually good to make some ironic point, and neither have any of the other people you are talking about.

[rovert]

Jesus you fucking dimwit, no one is pretending to like anyone. Masters has had a bunch of great matches in the last couple of months, there have dozens of posts by dozens of dudes pointing out the specific matches, posting links ect, guys like EricR, Dylan and S.L.L. have written books on exactly what they enjoy about him. This isn't some giant conspiracy, I have never pimped a wrestler that I didn't think was actually good to make some ironic point, and neither have any of the other people you are talking about.

Where did I say that? I stated quiet the opposite actually.

 

You are being overly defensive here.

[Phil Schneider]

I wasn't responding to you, I was responding to the other dimwit

[rovert]

Ok then.

[sek69]

Jesus you fucking dimwit, no one is pretending to like anyone. Masters has had a bunch of great matches in the last couple of months, there have dozens of posts by dozens of dudes pointing out the specific matches, posting links ect, guys like EricR, Dylan and S.L.L. have written books on exactly what they enjoy about him. This isn't some giant conspiracy, I have never pimped a wrestler that I didn't think was actually good to make some ironic point, and neither have any of the other people you are talking about.

 

OK then you have horrible taste in pro wres and you write huge TL;DR columns about it like you were getting a PhD in it that a handful people read and all of them are people who post on DVDVR (which is the worst board on the internet in terms of people with horrible tastes in pro wres).

 

 

Glad we're being open about our feelings you self important fuckstick. I'm tired of dancing around the obvious because you're Phil Schneider and no one dares to voice a dissenting opinion lest they get banished to the IWC cornfield for not fully enjoying the high end art that is Chris Masters and his overdeveloped pecs jobbing on SuperStars every week.

[Dylan Waco]

Actually I was the first one to be pimping Masters this year, but that breaks up the "Phil sets the table that others eat at" narrative.

[Phil Schneider]

You took a flacid shot at the "columns" I write (pretty sure I have never written a column on anything) while seemingly ignoring the fact that you have 6000 post on Pro Wrestling Only, 6000 posts where you haven't made a single interesting observation, funny joke, intriguing take, or developed thought. 6000 fucking posts of drip drop stupidity, constant unending banality. For the love of god man, do something, anything to justify your constant limp piss stream.

[sek69]

Actually I was the first one to be pimping Masters this year, but that breaks up the "Phil sets the table that others eat at" narrative.

 

I'm not saying he is the first to come up with these things, but it seems like once a DVDVR guy says something, it becomes gospel, and if anyone thinks otherwise they are looked at like they have three heads.

[goc]

No, you aren't getting shit on because you disagree about Masters, you are getting shit on because you're such a fucking asshole that you think "well people must be posting ironically about Masters because it's absolutely impossible that anyone could like him! I mean he's just a big jacked up muscle guy and that goes against internet rule #1 that if a wrestler qualifies as a 'hoss' then they must suck"

[sek69]

You took a flacid shot at the "columns" I write (pretty sure I have never written a column on anything) while seemingly ignoring the fact that you have 6000 post on Pro Wrestling Only, 6000 posts where you haven't made a single interesting observation, funny joke, intriguing take, or developed thought. 6000 fucking posts of drip drop stupidity, constant unending banality. For the love of god man, do something, anything to justify your constant limp piss stream.

 

6000 posts in 5 years dating back to when this place was more than just pro wres talk. I'm not a post count = dick size kind of guy, but I don't think that kind of output is excessive.

 

You don't consider what you write to be columns, fine. I'm not going to argue semantics. Just don't pretend you're breaking any new ground when DEAN~! was doing reviews of random Japanese indies six years ago.

 

Also I think that if I ever reach the point where I'm posting on the internet to entertain people like yourself, that will be the day I hang up my keyboard. I've never been a "I hope I can sit at the cool kids' table" kind of guy, not going to start now.

[sek69]

No, you aren't getting shit on because you disagree about Masters, you are getting shit on because you're such a fucking asshole that you think "well people must be posting ironically about Masters because it's absolutely impossible that anyone could like him! I mean he's just a big jacked up muscle guy and that goes against internet rule #1 that if a wrestler qualifies as a 'hoss' then they must suck"

 

Wow, everyone's so ANGRY now. And yeah, if you actually read any posts on wresting I've ever made you know I'm the last guy to make the "hoss's must suck" argument.

 

 

Let me turn the tables, what exactly is all this excellent Chris Masters work I'm apparently not seeing? When has he been interesting in the least since the end of the intial "the Masterlock is unbreakable" push?

[goc]

No, you aren't getting shit on because you disagree about Masters, you are getting shit on because you're such a fucking asshole that you think "well people must be posting ironically about Masters because it's absolutely impossible that anyone could like him! I mean he's just a big jacked up muscle guy and that goes against internet rule #1 that if a wrestler qualifies as a 'hoss' then they must suck"

 

Wow, everyone's so ANGRY now. And yeah, if you actually read any posts on wresting I've ever made you know I'm the last guy to make the "hoss's must suck" argument.

 

 

Let me turn the tables, what exactly is all this excellent Chris Masters work I'm apparently not seeing? When has he been interesting in the least since the end of the intial "the Masterlock is unbreakable" push?

 

It's called Superstars. Watch it. For a specific example I think his high point this year was vs. Drew Mac on 8/26.

[Sean Liska]

As more of a casual poster, I think DVDVR is fun. I agree with some common thoughts there and disagree with others. I love Dustin Rhodes and think Angle's been terribly overrated for a number of years. But I also love Shawn Michaels and don't get the appeal of Mark Henry. But the guys do explain why they think the way they do, which is all you can ask. The discussion is very good. It's nice to be somewhere where people don't all have the Meltzer taste in wrestling with Tyler Black/Davey Richards considered better than anything WWE can put on.

 

And it's nice to post somewhere that people seem to genuinely like wrestling, and where I don't have to read every week about how RAW was the worst show WWE has ever put on. The 80s projects are great. I love the idea of people going back and watching ECW fancams. I love people avidly watching Superstars each week and caring about it.

[Dylan Waco]

Masters hasn't had a bad tv match this year. Pick any match. I think the best have been against Chavo, Dolph and Gallows. Not that you care.

[sek69]

I agree on that, the 80s projects are the only part of DVDVR I was sad to leave behind. Also the lucha folder did get me back into that genre, so there was that. I guess it was largely the WWF folder and all of the constant "I hate this show, I can't wait for next week" stuff that made me want to choke a bitch.

[goc]

Honestly, when you've had a singles match with Caylen Croft, who is pretty much like the lowest of the low on the WWE totem pole and you actually make him look credible, you're fucking good. To me that match is not really near the best matches he's had on TV this year, but is a clear cut example of how good he is because I'm not sure how many other people on the Smackdown roster who would have had that match and actually put any effort into making Croft look good instead of just half assing it until it was time to job.