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For what it's worth, there are WONs from '88ish where, when commenting on Murdoch looking good in JCP, he said something along the lines of "Murdoch worked like he was in Japan" as a way of saying he was working hard. So at that time he didn't seem to think that Murdoch ever dogged it in Japan. John, is it time to drag out the '84 and '87 Japan trip issues again? '84 would've been during the MSG Tag League which seems like an odd time to be lazy.

How about that, it was Muraco. Scanned through it to see what Murdoch did and he was far from lazy. He did his usual shtick (including some great stuff on the apron), took a bump into the ring as part of said apron shtick, and hit all of his trademark spots, including the brainbuster and calf branding.

As far as handhelds go, there's a Murdoch/Adonis vs Briscos from Pittsburgh (Graham's saite says it's Muraco instead of Adonis but I'm pretty sure that's wrong). It's been a long time since I watched it, but I don't remember Murdoch being noticeably lazy. It wasn't close to being as good as the MSG match, more because it was too short. IIRC, it was about the same quality as the televised house show match from Philly, which was also too short. I could dig it up and watch it again.

No '84, just these: WWF @ Dallas, TX - State Fair Arena - January 17, 1985 (1,700) Adrian Adonis & Dick Murdoch defeated Jack & Jerry Brisco WWF @ Houston, TX - Astro Arena - January 18, 1985 (1,500) Adrian Adonis & Dick Murdoch defeated Jack & Jerry Brisco WWF @ Dallas, TX - February 14, 1985 (1,900) WWF Tag Team Champion Barry Windham defeated Dick Murdoch WWF @ Houston, TX - Summit - February 15, 1985 (1,400) WWF Tag Team Champion Barry Windham vs. Dick Murdoch

Because I'm bored: WWF @ Sacramento, CA - April 29, 1984 Andre the Giant, Jimmy Snuka, & WWF IC Champion Tito Santana defeated Big John Studd, WWF Tag Team Champions Adrian Adonis & Dick Murdoch WWF @ Oakland, CA - Coliseum - April 30, 1984 Andre the Giant won a $50,000 18-man battle royal by last eliminating Adrian Adonis; other participants included: Sgt. Slaughter, Dick Murdoch, Big John Studd, Jimmy Snuka, Pat Patterson, WWF World Champion Hulk Hogan, Salvatore Bellomo, Paul Orndorff, Tiger Chung Lee, Alexis Smirnoff, the Iron Sheik, Tito Santana, Mil Mascaras, the Hangman, Victor Rivera, and one other name; order of elimination: Bellomo by Patterson; Slaughter eliminated himself by jumping over the top to follow the Iron Sheik to the floor; Rivera elimiated; Snuka eliminated; Santana by Orndorff; Orndorff by Andre; Mascaras by Andre; Sheik by Hogan; Studd by Hogan via a punch as Studd was on the apron; Hogan by Studd, Adonis, & Lee, with Studd on the floor; after the elimination, Hogan won a brawl with Studd on the floor and in the ring; Lee by Patterson; Patterson by Adonis via blow to the back as Patterson attempted to eliminate Smirnoff; Smirnoff by Andre via an atomic drop; Murdoch by Andre via a throw as Murdoch was on his back; Adonis by Andre via a throw into the corner, with Andois flipping out of the ring (Andre the Giant VHS, Andre the Giant DVD) WWF IC Champion Tito Santana & Jimmy Snuka defeated Adrian Adonis & Dick Murdoch WWF @ San Jose, CA - September 20, 1984 WWF Tag Team Champion Dick Murdoch defeated Mad Dog Vachon WWF @ Oakland, CA - Coliseum - October 16, 1984 The Wild Samoans defeated WWF Tag Team Champions Adrian Adonis & Dick Murdoch via count-out WWF @ Sacramento, CA - July 1, 1984 WWF Tag Team Champions Dick Murdoch & Adrian Adonis defeated Tony Garea & B. Brian Blair JCP @ Stockton, CA - August 10, 1987 (1,500) Steve Williams & Terry Gordy defeated Eddie Gilbert & Dick Murdoch in a bunkhouse match when Williams pinned Gilbert after hitting him with his own cowboy boot at 11:00 JCP @ Oakland, CA - Kaiser Convention Center - August 6, 1988 (6,000) Dick Murdoch fought Ron Garvin to a 20-minute time-limit draw NWA @ Oakland, CA - Kaiser Convention Center - January 14, 1989 Dick Murdoch defeated Ray Candy NWA @ Stockton, CA - Civic Auditorium - June 2, 1989 Dick Murdoch defeated Bill Irwin NWA @ Fresno, CA - Selland Arena - June 3, 1989 Dick Murdoch defeated Bill Irwin

The Florida house show footage is all clipped because it's 16mm film. Terry's win shown on 24/7 was the entire film (which isn't the entire match) featured as a full segment. Dory's was just the last 5-10 seconds as part of a montage. I've never seen more footage of Dory's win.

Alright, who wants to post the F4W thread about the review?

Ha. Nothing official yet but a few likelys that I need to contact...will post when they're set up. You'll be happy with them.

According to a former WWE production assistant who was interviewed on a podcast or two, they're specifically discouraged from checking dates online.

Thanks. I thought he seemed more exasperated that things that were wrong became accepted truth (in the case of Funk's punches, that may have been a change as he got older because the main source for that item Mick Foley, who first wrestled him in 1994, and I had it confirmed to me by someone who wrestled him this decade) because they were in the newsletters like NWA All-Star Wrestling as developmental/farm team. It wasn't the easiest interview as it didn't flow well based on how he gave his answers, but I thought it was still fun.

That said, I'm pretty sure they're the same Hogan defenders.

Only the last few seconds were shown, and it was on the Terry film room, which showed HIS title win, so that may have confused you.

I'm just happy to see them releasing Dory's title win.

http://loserleavestown.net/?p=165 Memphis legend “Superstar” Bill Dundee joins me to discuss his career including his various booking jobs, pushing younger wrestlers, various Memphis-related topics, working for the Cole Brothers Circus, his wrestling school, and much more. Definitely worth a listen if you’re a fan of Memphis and/or Mid-South.

... http://wrestlingbabylon.wordpress.com/2009...estling-review/ (Though I concede that "shocking omission" was just over the line into hyperbole in hindsight...yeah...)

Thanks. http://wrestlingbabylon.wordpress.com/2009...uable-resource/ My reply that I gave him permission to post:

My review's here. Irv liked the review and will apparently be addressing the criticisms on his blog (uh oh?). Anyone else here read it yet?

Thanks to an assist from Gary Cubeta of 57Talk.com, expect a whole bunch of cool guests in the near future. Tomorrow will be the one and only Bill Dundee. If you've got any questions, post them here.

It also depends on if the jokes are any good.

It's because of the F4W people. Is the moderated area still there? That was originally supposed to be more of a "WON subscribers and Dave" area but it didn't work out.

Nah, I'm outsourced. Did you think I was moving to Canada, too?

Pro-CM Punk propaganda.

I'm just happy to see a semi-mainstream outlet validate my old semi-trolling message board talking points.

Best of NYC, 2009: Best Place to Watch Straight Men Get All Homoerotic Yes, I did post more about it on Cageside Seats. It clearly supposed to be a positive review but the ROH fans in the comments and at the ROH forum (where the thread was locked) don't seem to understand that.