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Grimmas your same argument could be used for Flair . Is it fair that so much of Flair's post prime made tape? That's the pro's and cons of footage. Bret and Perfect had great ppv matches. Their house show matches in NY, Boston, and Canada fell way short because Bret phoned them in.

Grimmas when I'm talking about Bret it's on MSG , Boston Garden shows. The house show loop that aired. To me house show footage is the most important barometer. That is where the wrestler was working day to day .

Grimmas it does exist on tape though. Is it fair that we are missing a lot of Jack Brisco. Your argument is fluid and works both ways.

I see it on my end. Let me look when I get home.

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I feel dogging it is a big factor. For me as a fan going to a live show and watching a wrestler just go through the motions is one of the most upsetting things. Lets use Bret as an example, I don't need his 5 moves to make me happy. I just need the wrestler to give me a story in the ring. Just make interesting choices . Grab an arm and work it. Work the leg. I don't need 8 billion high spots. On a house show Bret was content to sit in a hold. Work a really long,dull KOTM spot. Look at his IC run on the houseshows they have on the network. The Beserker works harder than him in their match. Their were times he had a spark in him. The best Hart Foundation/Killer Bees match so happens to be the time his parents were in the audience. If you judge Bret soley on his ppv's and tv I can see why people would call him a top 10. If you bother to scratch the surface and watch his houseshow run. Their will be more matches under 3* than over.

Pm it to me, and I'll see what I can do.

As a singles wrestler he branched out. As a tag worker it was the sternum bump. If it doesn't bother you fine.

Not when the Bulldogs were in the promotion.

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What about that sternum bump being his only transition to shine or heat segment.

I think the double ring gimmick is cool, but is better live. I thought the action was solid. Kevin is really athletic. He pretty much preforms pop up rana. In the 2nd fall Kevin did a dive from ring to ring. David seems to grasp how to work holds and spots around them. Overall this was solid. 2 1/4*

I think the double ring gimmick is cool, but is better live. I thought the action was solid. Kevin is really athletic. He pretty much preforms pop up rana. In the 2nd fall Kevin did a dive from ring to ring. David seems to grasp how to work holds and spots around them. Overall this was solid. 2 1/4*

For sure, but it should still be interesting to watch . Enough veterans in this to make it interesting.

That sounds fun.

I've gone to a couple of the Branded Outlaw ones and enjoyed them.

Lothario/H.Guerrero vs Kruschev/Ito Jose Lothario has been a favorite of mine on the Houston footage. He's a guy who was considered a big deal in Texas. Finally we're getting footage of him and understanding why. This is JIP about 5 minutes in.The match is more of a backdrop for the Guerrero heel turn. We see a little shine from Lothario and Guerrero. At one point Lothario delivers an amazing looking knee drop. So we Lothario as FIP. It's set up by a rope run into an Ito knee into the back. This results in some back work . Eventually Lothario is busted open. Their is some work on the cut, but they don't want to take away from the story which is the turn. Lothario picks Khruschev up for a slam and nails Hector. Fast forward a bit and Lothario trys to tag Guerrero in, but he walks off. This leaves Lothario to get pinned. Hopefully we get more Lothario/Guerrero action on the horizon.We get a post match Lothario promo. 2 1/2*

Jose Lothario has been a favorite of mine on the Houston footage. He's a guy who was considered a big deal in Texas. Finally we're getting footage of him and understanding why. This is JIP about 5 minutes in.The match is more of a backdrop for the Guerrero heel turn. We see a little shine from Lothario and Guerrero. At one point Lothario delivers an amazing looking knee drop. So we Lothario as FIP. It's set up by a rope run into an Ito knee into the back. This results in some back work . Eventually Lothario is busted open. Their is some work on the cut, but they don't want to take away from the story which is the turn. Lothario picks Khruschev up for a slam and nails Hector. Fast forward a bit and Lothario trys to tag Guerrero in, but he walks off. This leaves Lothario to get pinned. Hopefully we get more Lothario/Guerrero action on the horizon.We get a post match Lothario promo. 2 1/2*

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Mixed Tag This was fun. I was shocked on how much time they got in 22 minutes. Stanton is a guy I've never seen. I had to contact Dave Musgrave to get some background. Stanton was great working comedy with the midgets, or taking bumps from TA. He really impressed me. Pretty much they were able to mix in the wrestling and the comedy. Lone Eagle really stole the show here.

This was fun. I was shocked on how much time they got in 22 minutes. Stanton is a guy I've never seen. I had to contact Dave Musgrave to get some background. Stanton was great working comedy with the midgets, or taking bumps from TA. He really impressed me. Pretty much they were able to mix in the wrestling and the comedy. Lone Eagle really stole the show here.

Thanks buddy.

I'm guessing the midget match or vs Bundy.

1,2,and 4 were accomplished . If I consider Lucha Underground Lucha I hit all 4 of my goals .