khawk20

Just noticed this but was this thread really started in February 2007?

WWC Anniversario 1987. I enjoyed the Pogo vs. TNT match a ton.

The thing I noticed in the AWA versions of this spot is that it tends to happen early in the match in the majority of cases, which means the heel hasn't really had much of a chance to cheat yet. In any scenario it doesn't make good sense.

Some referees (Joe Fiorito in Winnipeg is the first one I thought of) used to kick guys hands off of the ropes when they reached it while their opponent had them in a hold. It was explained once that he did that because the wrestler wasn't actually at the ropes, and he had to be actually in the ropes with more than just a tenuous grasp on one rope for it to make the old he was in breakable. It always looked stupid and made it seem the ref favoured the face, and at the end of the day the spot was too arbitrarily applied to make sense. Fiorito seemed to do it every match. Drove me nuts.

The AWA had sleeper matches between Greg Gagne and Nick Bockwinkel where the referee was counting when a pin was attempted, despite it being noted that pinfalls didn't and wouldn't count. Of course, the wrestlers going for pinfalls was also noted and explained as an instinctual move in the heat of a hard match, which could also be a fabed explanation of the ref counting as well, I suppose. ...on the other side of the coin, the smartest referee call I may ever have seen in the AWA was the Zbyszko-Bockwinkel texas death match (no rules) from 1986 in St. Paul. Zbyszko hit referee Scott LeDoux with nunchakus as Bock entered the ring, then hit Bock several times, KOing him. The substitute referee climbed into the ring and counted the pin while everyone was going "WTF?" and it was explained that because it was a no-DQ match, all that stuff Larry did counted and the match was over. I think they made it a no-contest after the fact, but I always thought that was pretty cool, mostly because it was a ref call that made sense for a change.

Do you know him, Bix?

I'd try to contact Hoops Johnson and see what he knows about it. Hoops is the guy that converted the Buddy Rose tapes some years back. ...and if this guy is, in fact Hoops Johnson (he might be for all I can remember), then it's a worthwhile investment.

I was really hoping for a Butch Reed - Rick Martel series for the AWA title in 1985, but Butch bolted before they could get it off the ground. Was he really set to get the IC title from Steamboat or is that an Urban Legend?

Holy LOL...why would they ever have let that air?

Better?

I have a clip of Solie calling a women's TV match in Georgia where he mixes up the names of the women for the entire match, calling each by the other's name. Ole Anderson finally comes out and corrects Gordon on camera just as the pinfall happens. I'd have loved to have been backstage when Solie and Ole met up after that bit....Gordon, furious at being corrected on National TV after looking like a fool for five minutes, vs. Ole who would have been through the roof at having to come out and correct his ace announcer like that. I've never been a Solie fan. "There's certainly no question about that!" has a lot less traction with me as an announcer catchphrase than most others, and he spit that one out over and over and over. His voice reminds me of the owner of the Box Factory in that one Simpsons episode, and that isn't a good thing.

More than likely just someone trolling the faithful.

Not taped , although some Flair promos leading up to it survived and are available. Talking to people that were there, they said a lot of the wrestlers hung around and could be seen watching the match as it happened. Robinson also challenged Martel on the November 1984 Thanksgiving show in St. Paul, so April 1st was not his last AWA title challenge.

LOL I know JYD was decently built at one time, but come on. (PS--trying to use the quote function doesn't work. Not sure if that's just me)

Have their been any old school house show updates recently?

If you haven't seen it yet, find the Bock-Verne match from Chicago on 2/11/79. It aired on one of the Japan Classics show (they were there to tape Baba vs. Abdullah and another tag match IIRC). You could compare your thoughts on their 80's stuff you've seen to that Verne-Bock match, which was more of a one-off, in the sense that Bock was built as avoiding Verne throughout much of his title run.

Greg Valentine & David Shultz vs Tony Atlas & Rocky Johnson (Hartford, CT, 23/11/84)(hand held camera) I ran across this on a mixed disc last night by accident. This was the closing match on a "Steel Cage turmoil" card held in Hartford. For those that haven't seen the card, the idea of the Cage card was to start out with two wrestlers, and the winner stayed in the cage and faced the next wrestler to come out...it was a gauntlet style setup. Very odd idea. I note that tag match not for anything special other than the seemingly random Schultz-Valentine pairing, and the fact that such a random bout closed out the card. Here's the full lineup from that night courtesy of Cawthon's History site. Check out some of the results...Strongbow over Patera must've been sold as Patera being completely exhausted, given Strongbow was jobbing to everyone at that point. I'd have to watch the card again, I don't remember it all as it's been a lot of years since I watched it: WWF @ Hartford, CT - Civic Center - November 23, 1984 Steel Cage Turmoil: WWF IC Champion Greg Valentine defeated SD Jones WWF IC Champion Greg Valentine defeated Angelo Mosca Tony Atlas defeated WWF IC Champion Greg Valentine Tony Atlas defeated Bob Orton David Schultz defeated Tony Atlas Tito Santana defeated David Schultz Tito Santana defeated Moondog Rex Tito Santana defeated Bobby Heenan Tito Santana defeated Moondog Spot Ken Patera defeated Tito Santana Ken Patera defeated David Sammartino Ken Patera defeated Swede Hanson Ken Patera defeated Mario Mancini Ken Patera defeated Mr. Fuji Ken Patera defeated Jose Luis Rivera Chief Jay Strongbow defeated Ken Patera Big John Studd defeated Chief Jay Strongbow Big John Studd defeated Salvatore Bellomo Finals: Big John Studd defeated Rocky Johnson Non Cage Matches: David Sammartino defeated Mr. Fuji The Tonga Kid defeated Roddy Piper via disqualification Tito Santana defeated Moondog Rex Tony Atlas & Rocky Johnson defeated WWF IC Champion Greg Valentine & David Schultz via disqualification

nice to see Clawmaster here with his results goodness.

Maybe the rumours of their being a stockpile of Toronto footage was true, and it's that stuff. Bruiser's wife was still sitting on the WWA tape library last I heard. Could be that one, too.

EDIT: I'll try something different for a while...though all your posts seem so much more classy in italics.