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For the WWWF/WWF, it's a massive flaw. I also would be surprised if Chris didn't adjust for it. He's a smart guy, and there's no way if Bruno is defending the WWWF Title while not going on last that Chris wouldn't credit Bruno as the main even. John

Not Dave. It was a group of gaijin WON readers who were in Japan on a trip who sent that to Dave. Might even been the infamous Lano Tour. John

First of all I like all the Lucero records. You could argue weaknesses in all of them, but everyone is a little bit different and themed in a different way. Nobody's Darlings is a VERY guitar heavy album that really plays up their punk roots. Self Titled is very much a modern take on drop dead drunk country. Rebels, Rogues and Sworn Brothers has a very heavy Springstein influence. Et. Et. Et. They aren't afraid to introduce new instruments and sounds and play with traditional themes. They incorporate accordian into songs and it fucking works outstandingly well. I've seen hundreds of live bands (it's scary to think or so this, but it's probably over four figures to be honest) and they are at worst one of the five best live bands I've ever seen. I know Nichols voice annoys some people and the horns section on the last two album has alienated some long time fans, but I like Nichols voice and think the horns enhanced both records (particularly Overton Park which is one of the better beginning to end albums I can remember). I may be going to see them at the 9:30 club when they play with Shovels and Rope in a few months and I NEVER travel to see shows anymore....unless it's a Lucero show. First thing that popped up in the search that I did: And that's some good shit. Learn something new all the time... and who says wrestling fans are a bunch of morons. Thanks for the discussion, Dylan and Childs.

He also was just coming back at that point. He was out from I think July 1989 through Sep/Oct 1990. I don't think he had a lot of matches under his belt, and was still figuring out how he's have to work with the physical limitations. It's pro wrestling, so we'll probably never know the full truth of how bad the injury was similar to say an injury in MLB. But any injury that keeps a Japanese wrestler out for more than a year... that's something massively bad. One thing that I always thought was kind of interesting/cool is the complete transition Choshu made as a booker. I think I've mentioned before that there was a note in the WON in the middle of the 80s, either in the middle of his run in AJPW or just after his jump back to NJPW, where Dave tossed out something to the effect that Choshu was the least liked / most selfish man in Japanese wrestling. Just "hated". Think about happened since: * Choshu got on the Board and some shares for returning * Inoki and Fujinami had their war over control of New Japan * Choshu sat that out rather than picked sides * Inoki "won" * Fujinami did his own thing with the IWGP Title (i.e. trip to the US) * the belt was gently lifted from Fujinami for the Dome show Around this time, Choshu got an increasing amount of the book... * he personally put over Hash in the IWGP tourney at the Dome * he treated Fujinami gently in the tourney (losing to eventual winner Vader) * humored the fuck out of Inoki with the Russian stuff * let Vader have the long run with the title rather than take it himself * once he finally got the belt off Vader, it was Choshu who personally put over his old, out of power, physically weakened old rival Fujinami And... * set up Fujinami to be the one facing Flair at the 1991 Dome show for the NWA Title Selfish ego out the door, and instead putting over the top gaijin (Vader), his personal choice for the next generation (Hash), and his rival (Fujinami). Quite a contrast from the olden days. John

I just want to make sure that jdw doesn't compare himself to the Beatles again or I might have that stroke. Did I do that? John

I like the Beatles a lot. I don't think they made only great albums.

Cage matches tended to have the violence.

0 or 2 Depends on the type of GOAT we're talking about. Not being a wise ass. Really. Okay... since Will and Loss have gone first, I'll explain this: If you're asking me who the GOAT is from a Business standpoint, I'll be happy to answer and say my list of folks to ponder is limited to two people: Londos or Hogan. I get that other folks would have larger lists of folks to consider, including from other countries, but those are the two the are in the discussion for me. If your asking me who the GOAT is from a worker/performer standpoint, it's 0. I don't really care anymore. Just not something that matters when I watch wrestling, nor when I read about it. A sideways example: In the Greg Valentine thread, there was a mention of a Greg-Tito match that I don't think I've seen before, and it was well praised. I want to see it now. I'm not going to watch it thinking about whether it's a GOAT match, or Greg is a GOAT candidate, or Tito is a GOAT candidate. I'm interesting in seeing if it's another good, entertaining quality match between the two, and based on the comments, it's probably a good one. I'm less and less interested in whether Jumbo or Buddy is #1 or #2 or #14 or #17 than: "John: you should check out some Buddy. The guy could go. That WWF stuff of his you like? There's some stuff in Portland that you'd REALLY like. Check out these five as starter matches..." Or in turn saying: "You like Jumbo-Terry and Jumbo-Race in 1976 and 1977? You might want to track down the Jumbo-Brisco from 1978. Another good Jumbo match with a top gaijin, and Brisco is really good in it. Good fun match..." John

I'm looking forward to Harley at the manger and the last supper. John

Lots of great ones, but that's fucking awesome. John

Well there's your problem right there. John

Didn't see this question earlier, Dylan. Here: Match #41 - 06/21/85 Greg Valentine vs Ricky Steamboat (14:20) Taped: Madison Square Garden, New York Aired: 06/21/85 MSG Network Lots of Kung Fu Steamer early, which really isn't the best side of Ricky. Watching Ricky using sumo-style slaps to the chest isn't any better. I do like him using the neck snapper, which is just a throwaway highspot for him rather than 90% of the offense that Curt Hennig brings to the table in a certain match... but I digress. Ricky dominates the first seven minutes, and mixed around some decent spots and sequences that pick the match up. There is a lot of stuff that's either boring or down right bad. I tend to blame most of it on the Kunf Fu nonsense since that's at the heart of much that's off. This just doesn't have the solid early base that Steamer-Bret did, where Ricky put aside a kung fu-centric work and instead controlled early working to his strengths. Valentine in control starts great in playing off the transition spot: getting the knees up on a Steamer splash attempt. The knee drops to the gut are a sharp move, and the gutbuster had a nice feel to it. Dropping the hammer forearm to the throat for a nearfall comes across less as losing the tangent and instead simply taking an opportunity for a pin attempt because of how Valentine follows: a headbutt to the gut. Greg gives a sense of "taking what's there" as when Steamer sits up to sell the headbutt, Hammer gives him a nice brainbuster elbow right to the skull. When Steamer flops his back down on the mat, Hammer grabs the leg, ponders the figure four, seems to ponder the elbow to the leg to set up the figure four, but instead sees Steamer's wide open gut that he's been working over and drops a chunky elbow to it. At this point, Greg could veer off from the stomach and bring the big guns and the figure four for all I care. He brought a more focused attack on a damaged body part here than The Brothers did in their entire match against the Rockers. After a pin attempt off the elbow drop, almost as a feeler to see how much he's taken out of Steamer, Hammer does switch to working over the leg. In the end, unless Greg suddenly learns how to use The Claw, there's only so far he can go with the stomach. If they're going 30 minutes, then whip out the Ab-Stetch and other stuff. But they're not going 30 - they're going half that. Again, it has a nice "taking what's there" vibe. Ricky hurt the stomach after eating it on the splash attempt. It was there to attack for Greg, and he did. After the pin attempt Ricky was still on the mat at his mercy. When grabbing the knee rather than using the headbutt and elbow drop to the stomach previously, the hamstrings are wide open for some knee drives. It's there, it's open, it sets up his finisher, take it. Nice tease of the figure four with Ricky grabbing a handful of blond hair for a small package to counter it. Ricky tries a little comeback, but Hammer gets a pretty theatrical counter press (Ricky makes it great by kicking his legs way up in the air), and then Hammer cuts him off with a nice punch to the gut then sends Ricky bumping to the floor. The match half goes off the rails at the point. Other than a very nice brainbuster elbow that Ricky sells strongly, most of the time Ricky is out of the ring grinds the match to a halt rather than builds drama. He ends up wandering around the ring in a semi-zombie mode that reads better than it is on the screen. He fires himself up on the floor, and then the match resets with some major clubber-fu. *That* is well done as they go back and forth, but the point from Ricky going out until then isn't so hot in a match that's clocking in at less than 15 minutes. As seen in the review of the first Backlund-Sarge match in Philly, I'm not adverse to a "face out on the floor and out of it" sequence, even if it takes a while to work through it. This one just didn't work until Ricky smacked the apron to show he was fired up. The dualing fists-o-fury, which of course Ricky was going to win, was quite good. Greg really sells the shit out each of Ricky's strikes without bumping. It's pretty decent from there to the end, though they don't bring a lot of big guns. Ricky uses the press and a load of chop-fu for pin attempts, while Greg has a very nice backdrop suplex and some of his favorite elbow drops for pin attempts. The last tease of the figure four has a "take it home" feel rather than a dramatic feel, and it is take it home as they go right to the count out. This is perhaps a third of a really strong match. The third being Greg's controlling section and the firery comeback up to Greg actually being counted out. Ricky's controlling section badly needs a re-write to moderate the Kung Fu shit. Then to be a really strong match, it needed to have Greg get back in the ring rather than be counted out, with them going another three or so minutes of near falls and actually have a finish. Both had more in the holster. It's sort of worth watching. It's not the match one would hope for based on some of their other work in the WWF, and even together in the tag match. It starts off choppy, hits road bump late, then ends a bit too quickly and poorly. I wanted to like this a lot more, which is pretty evident by the pleasure I took from Greg's work while in control. But as a whole it just doesn't get there. Which is especially disappointing since this seems to waste a night when Greg was both game and focused on his work. The Toronto tag was a night where they delivered. I'd like to see their Toronto singles match in 1985 if it exists. John

It's a Texas Death Match, which is essentially No Holds Barred / No DQ with the title held up in an MSG-only angle, hence the pop at the end and Bob (and the crowd) looking as close to a title winning look as you saw in this period. A lot of the TDM were like this: they'd do spots to get across the concept, but it would then force them into working a match. The point didn't seem to be to escalate the violence from start to finish, but to eliminate the screwiness that caused the prior match to go off the rails. In this case, they did their early spots, and then got down to destroying each other's legs... which was a whole selling point of Greg in the feud(s). It's a damn good match. John

On the original premise: Of course. I mean it's possible that one of us here might think Warrior vs HTM is a "great match" for whatever reason, or could come up with something along those lines that for our own personal fantasy wrestling could fit into it. Say for Loss given his love for the two workers, Ricky Morton doing something like that to Ric Flair and winning the world title from him in under 30 seconds in a crafty tricky fashion would be a GREAT~! match, get ****1/2 and be his #2 MOTYC for 1986. The rest of us would shrug and just think, "That's Loss being Loss." More than that, Kawada beat Misawa for the Triple Crown at the 1998 Dome show in 30 seconds and I thought it was ****1/2 because after all those years of getting screwed over by Misawa, I thought it was a great way for Kawada to get his revenge, Loss would join the chorus in saying: "30 second main event of the Dome being ****1/2? Okay... jdw is just being silly there." Is that "certain" in certain length some exact fixed in number that like forty-two explains Life, The Universe and Everything for everyone? No. But a "great match" needs to be, you know, a "match". If not, it's just an angle, and when we get to 1999 we'll have the fucking Beer Bath in the Top 10 of MOTYC and somewhere Russo will have a smile on his face. John

Of course there was something great about it: Trip jobbing to Taker Taker 5-0 HBK+HHH at Mania. That's fucking great! John

I'd be surprised if anyone arguing Bob Dylan cares about his record sales. After all, I don't think "Hulk Hogan" has been given much thought in this thread... other than posters who set out extremely low numbers. Folks generally had other wrestlers in mind, because they're thinking "work". So mixing De Niro, Pacino, Dylan and Elvis together is mixing apples and oranges on some level. That's not even getting to the obvious: Elvis = singer of other folk's songs Dylan = songwriter + performer They are two different beasts. John

That Backlund-Larry-Bruno thing on the prior page is a riot. John

Best part of this from my perspective is that when Classics on Demand does his HOF month, they may have an unseen match or two to show us from the vault. We can hope, anyway. They did pull that Backlund-Valentine 1 hour draw out of nowhere a few years back for something. It would be interesting to take a look at the MSG and Philly era and see what might be missing as desert island matches. Just looking at some earlier ones... 05/22/78 MSG: Ken Patera That would be really interesting. 09/16/78 Spectrum: Billy Graham (Sicilian Stretcher Match) Out there in poor quality. I thought it was the best Graham match that I've seen... but I tend to hate everything Graham did, so it's a low standard. 10/14/78 Spectrum: Victor Rivera Rivera-Inoki is good mat stuff until Inoki ends it abruptly. Seeing him go 16 with Bob would be interesting, more in terms of seeing what Victor could do than Bob. 11/18/78 Spectrum: Crusher Blackwell That would be interesting to see. 02/17/79 Spectrum: Ivan Koloff (Cage) MSG got the Maivia cage match, but I'd rather see Bob with Ivan in a cage. 07/02/79 MSG Patterson Their first match, given a good amount of time to work together. They had some mediocre matches, and I've never thought a ton of the cage match. But they did have one good one that I've seen, and would like to see their first. 06/16/80 MSG Larry Zbyszko Not super in love with their Philly matches. This was earlier, and longer. 08/23/81 MSG Muraco The 60:00 MSG match. 02/15/82 MSG Adonis Their Texas Death match. Shorter than their earlier one in MSG, this is probably similar to their Landover spot-a-thon. 08/02/82 MSG Bob Orton That might be the one that I want to see the most. 23+ minutes. Their Philly matches were solid, but a little rushed and Bob-sided. More time to work, this would be interesting. 04/25/83 MSG Koloff Their 1983 Spectrum match was horrid and sloppy. I'd be interested to see if it was just one where they were off. 06/17/83 MSG Slaughter Their first MSG match that year was quite good. Would like to see if they sustained it. So if I could pick there, it would be in this order: 1. 08/02/82 MSG Bob Orton 2. 11/18/78 Spectrum: Crusher Blackwell 3. 08/23/81 MSG Muraco John

0 or 2 Depends on the type of GOAT we're talking about. Not being a wise ass. Really. John

As Ditch says, there's an insane amount of commercial release and other sources (Sammy, etc) for shitloads of juniors in 1997-99. It's just that no one bothered to watch it back at the time.

I'm the Fake Paul in the Beatles after the real one died. Blame Wings on me... John

The other note: there were knocks in some of the earliest posts about the DVDVR selections, and what was missing. This was pretty common in the earlier days of my WWF 80s thread, but I did tend to knock it off as I went further. The set is what the set was, and we've all agree sense then that it can and will be done better on the redo. No real need to pile on knocking it. So... I apologize in advance for any of those comments annoying folks. :/ John

I can't believe that I wrote almost 10K words on Bob vs Don.

Match #A-86 - 03/20/83 Bob Backlund vs Don Muraco (19:52) Taped: Madison Square Garden, New York From: 03/20/83 MSG Network Bob gets a match before the match by pointing to the belt and waving Don forward. We get another pop when Finkel indicates the match will be a Texas Death Match. I forgot to mention that Arnold got a pop when he was introduced. Good boo for Don when he's introduced, though he does have fans. Strong pop for Backlund when he's introduced, including a few fans jumping up and down. Bob's a house of fire at the start before going for a headlock. Bob's patented goofy torquing of the headlock, and the crowd is counting loudly along. Nice attempt to counter by Don with a lift for a backdrop suplex, but Bob counter rolls for a headlock takeover and a two count that Don eats well. Short spell on the mat before Bob pulls Don up to let him know to do something, which leads into their regular spot of Don trying to bail to over the top to the apron to force a break, but Bob keeing the headlock and draging him back for a good pop. A nice spot of Muraco using the backbreaker to try to break the headlock, but Backlund holding on and cranking the shit out of it for a pop. An odd trainwreck that "works" happens when Muraco pushes Backlund back into the loose WWF ropes to try for some rope running, but Backlund's head pops under the top rope making a rope run impossible. They improvise by having Bob hold onto the headlock and crank it quickly while Don drops to his knees, which gets a reaction from the crowd. They do a good job of getting it back in the ring, hitting a high spot before taking it back down to the mat with the headlock. Another nice escape attempt by Don has him hitting a dropkick and then heading to the top to double down, but he's slow from being dominated which allows Backlund to get up and cut him off. Instead of tossing him off the top, Backlund slaps the headlock back on and drags Don down off the top back into the ring for a good pop. We do hit the stretch where, when first watching it years ago, that I thought Don didn't want to do much. What had been decent working up, out and back into the headlock grinds to a hault eventually. There's another nice pick up of a slam and roll through counter for a near fall, but it's surrounded by a lot of being inactive. The opening dominance of Bob goes just under 12 minutes, of which the first seven of it up to the dropkick and drag off the top spot being a good base to the match, but the last five not being good. Don finally takes over after Bob feeds him a low blow. The strike is perfectly legal in a TDM, though it's a sign of just how shitty of an announcer that Gorilla was that after calling the low blow he indicates the ref can award the match to Backlund for that. Finally, about 40 seconds after the spot, it sounds like someone told Monsoon that it's a freaking TDM and no holds are barred. In classic Monsoon fashion when he's been wrong, he makes no correct, just pretends he didn't fuck up and instead starts talking about how everything is legal in the match. A good announcer would have pointed out that now that he thought about it, the ref was right to not award the match as no holds are barred, and while it could normally get Muraco DQ'd, it doesn't happen tonight. And weave into the storyline that it was Backlund who wanted this match, and it's the risk that he took. Anyway, Don follows with a nice reverse splash off the ropes for a two count(!). When Muraco is stomping Backlund on the apron, Monsoon complete's his full 180 degree Cover His Ass turn by getting on the ref for warning Don. You see, Gorilla knows the rules of the match, and Worley is now the one who is the fuck up. And people wonder why I think Gorilla was a dogshit announcer and Vince was great. Go back and watch the Backlund vs Patera TDM in MSG and pay attention to how Vince is perfectly insynch with Backlund and Patera as the start laying down the storyline of the "no holds barred" concept of the match. He nails it. Gorilla doesn't until it's pointed out to him. Prick. Don gets in a nice legdrop while Bob's neck is draped over the apron, then drops one on Bob's head as Bob stands up. A great Bob Splat when Don kicks Bob in the back and Bob goes running to flop himself up onto the barricade. We get a nice "Bob-by! Bob-by!" change from all of those MSG fans who turned on Bob way back in 1982. Bob post Don, who goes to work on his forehead. Nice payback spot of Bob dropping Don's neck over the baricade, tying into Bob having eaten one in the aisle early in this section. Smart spot as the crowd gets it and pops. Crowd is really hot by this point, and goes batshit when they're back in the ring and Backlund unloads a closed fist right into the middle of Don's bleeding forhead. Hey... that's sounds almost like a PWI line there. A nice running fist sends Don over the top rope, er... through the middle rope, er... flopping down inside the ring with his leg across the rope. You know, before we knock Bob for being an awkward and clumsy worker who had trainwrecks, it's best to admit that his opponents could be as awkward, clumsy and trainwrecky as he was. This one is very much on Don as the fist was hit well, and Don was in the right position to launch himself to the floor. A big smile breaks out on my face as Bob's foot rake to the forehead still gets a good pop after five years on top in this building. A great spot of Don hitting a counter power slam for a near fall. We get the toss of the top after that for a big pop. They rework the finish from the last match, with Don countering the backbreaker to be on top for a two count, but Bob bridging out and getting behind for a crossface chicken wing attempt. The crowd is borderline nuts here, with Don fighting it and making his way to the corner to try to get a break. Bob releases the chickenwing, slips down Don's body and grabs a waistlock. Don fights off the first lift attempt, but Bob hoists him up and over for a german suplex for the win. The crowd goes crazy for the pin. This isn't quite a Backlund At His Peak Victory Pop like the Patera-Backlund one, but it's very consistent to the strong one he pulled in against Buddy Rose the year before. This is worth watching, and like the 2/83 match probably should have made the Backlund set if I hadn't crapped on it. The last five minutes of the headlock section weren't good, but the other 15 minutes of the match are good and heated. 1983 Backlund was well represented as we generally though things went off the cliff after the Rose match. But these two Muraco matches, the 05/23/83 match with Slaughter at MSG, and probably the stretcher match with Slaughter in Philly (which I haven't seen yet) probably would give a fuller and better picture of what Backlund was up to with his two biggest rivals of 1983. It's not up to 1981 levels for either feud, but it's still good and heated. John

Match #A-85 - 02/18/83 Bob Backlund vs Don Muraco (21:19) Taped: Madison Square Garden, New York From: 02/18/83 MSG Network This is the show after Don regained the IC Title from Pedro. Good heel heat for Muraco and Albano in the introduction. Really big pop for Bob in the ring intro, kicked up a notch when he plants a fist in Albano's grill. Strong "beach bum" chant at the bell. We get a little over four minutes of feeling out and stooging. Reasonably active opening stretch rather than just stalling and stooging. There isn't rabid heat, but the fans pop for things as simple as Bob pointing to the center of the ring and calling Don out to hook them up. Bob grabs a headlock. Not much time in it before Don shoots him off the rope, drops down to the mat to have Bob run the ropes and jump over him, but Bob putting on the breaks and dropping the elbow to a good pop for the comedy. Another pop for Bob dragging Don over the ropes in the headlock after Don tried to bail. Gorrilla starts talking out of his ass about never seeing Bob use the headlock as much as he's using it here, all of a minute into Bob's control segment. Typical Monsoon being an idiot. Some chants as Bob torque's the headlock, but before Bob can work a "count along" with the crowd, Don hoists him up to attempt a backdrop, only to have Bob roll forward for a headlock takeover. They hit it really gracefully and theatrically, with Don going over like Harley Race eats headlock takeovers. Another simple spot that gets some appreciation from the crowd. You think that Don is going to Fifth Of Gin sell the ground headlock since he's on his stomach, but in little time he's reaching up to push Bob's head and chin back to try and counter the hold. Bob torques it to mellow Don out. Similar spot as Don tries next to break it be driving some elbows into Bob's side, with Bob starting to look pissed before torquing the headlock to flatten Don back out. Simply stuff, but it keeps the headlock moving along rather than laying around. Wash, rinse & repeat with a nice shot of the ropes to break the hold, with Don trying for a lariat but instead Bob ducking it and nailing his own before going back into the headlock. Basic stuff of working up and down while working holds. All told, we get about eight minutes of Bob working the headlock, them picking it up for a highspot sequence before taking it back down. Quite a bit of solid stuff mixed in. Don transitions to offense with something between a belly-to-belly and a spinebuster. Muraco is terrific in working a slow transition, with Vince picking up on it after a bit to point out that Don was still feeling the effects of the headlock. Don mixes some high impact moves along with stomping a mudhole in Bob before going for a abdominal stretch. Bob nicely works to counter it, but Don counters the counter with a quick russian leg sweep. Cool sequence. Don follows with a Boston Crap which get surprising heat while playing nicely off of some of the hight impact spots Don has down to the back. Very good pop when Bob powers out of the hold. Don goes back to the abdominal stretch, with Bob trying to counter it technically to power out. Don fights that off, so Bob switches with a quick counter into a double arm suplex position. Nice fight by Don to keep from eating it before Bob launches him. Nice spot, playing to a degree off Don's earlier counter of the counter with the russian leg sweep. Bob decides he's Ric Flair and heads to the top rope only to have Don throw him off. If I've seen Bob do that against a heel, I've forgotten it. Pretty damn funny to see, though since it's Bob doing it the spot must be awkward and uncool. The two are selling the damage really nicely by this point. Don sets for a sitting piledriver, but Bob back bodydrops him sending both down. When Bob gets up, he tries to run the ropes for a strike but runs right into Don's lariat. Don goes slowly up for a splash, but dives into Bob's knees for a huge pro-Bob pop. It's less My Turn, Your Turn than each being too tired and damaged to hit their moves cleanly without the other being able to counter. We get Bob's goofy cool crawling head butt before a nice double knockdown. Some nice visuals as Bob splats himself onto the apron, then slowly fading until he falls to the floor. Don sees it, wants to follow up on it, but collapses. Another nice spot of Bob trying to get in with shoulder to the gut from the apron (similar to setting up a sunset flip into the ring), but Don responds with a kneelift to the bent over Bob, which stops him in his tracks, sends him backwards and eventually off the apron and then backwards into the barricade. Don drives Bob off the apron to the floor and into the baricade again, and then a third time and you can see Bob getting steamed. Payback is coming, as Don tries to suplex Bob into the ring, but Bob floats over and hits Muraco's own shoulderbreaker which is something I don't recall being in Bob's Big Book Of Moves. Nice pop for it, and damn cool. Bob goes to town on Don's left arm, looking to be setting up the crossface chicken wing. Don tries to bail twice but Bob drags him back into the ring, which builds the heat. A little theatrical thing of Bob winding up the arm gets the crowd going before he slaps on the crossface chicken wing. Crowd goes crazy for it, and Don instantly goes for the ropes wanting no part of it. The ref jump in to break the hold, and Bob uncharacteristically turns around and shoves the ref away for a quick DQ. Bob is so unhinged that he shoves down Arnold when he hopes in the ring. Cool post match as they cut to Kal Rudman who is in position to interview Don right at the MSG curtain. Kal and Don is always solid gold, and Don's all fired up here. But the great thing is the shot shows right up the aisle to the ring, and you can see Bob getting more and more pissed. You can see him move through the ropes, and MSG Production cuts to a ringside camera just in time to see Bob coming off the apron to the floor. Don't is still on the mic talking to Kal when Bob comes running up behind Don to nail him. Kal is awesome: "Call security!!! Call security!!! Call security!!!" Good job of showing how much Don has pissed off Bob. This is quite a good match. If I'd seen it before Will did Backlund, I would have strongly recommend it's inclussion to show Bob's work in 1983. Their best work in 1981 is better, but this another good match. John