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Are you being factious?

Yeah, maybe for you though. I'm only 26. At any rate, it does fall into the realm of "matches I want to see before I die"...irregardless if there is footage of it or not. Same goes for those untaped sixty-minute draws Flair did in the 80s. I know they would be a good match. Hence why I want to see them before I die, man.

Wow. I can never get used to these kinds of threads. Sadness for sure.

If there's no footage of it, why would you say it be "the ladder match"? Were you there? That's like me saying "Tommy Rich/ Buzz Sawyer: Last Battle Of Atlanta" cage match should be on there as best cage match. Except that there are pictures of that match at least and it's considered legendary thanks to the Apter Mags. But since there's no footage, I can't honestly say it was great. RE thinks like a child, though. I'm not being a dick here, it is the truth Jason. I think like a Marine, RE thinks like a child, and other people probably think like things they've experienced, worked at, or have yet to mature...such is the case for RE. He says stuff that he should realize by now that it will only lead to any number of posters on this forum...or for that matter, any forum he ventures into to verbally assault him with any opportunity. Look at his post count here alone, over 1,100. The guy takes a beat down almost on a monthly basis on this board, inside jokes have been created to mock him, and conditions are stipulated in threads prohibiting a potential and very likely response by him. Yet he keeps coming back. If you or anyone for that matter makes a thread asking for help, advice, or a touching personal story of some tragic magnitude, RE would be one of the first motherfuckers in that thread offering answers, solutions, or condolences. Having said that, RE is annoying like an unsupervised child let loose amongst the more mature audience. It gets bothersome to navigate threads once a RE vs. crowd battle begins. Or the "No matter what you tell me, it will not change my mind whatsoever," mentality that causes most of us to have an urge to probably cause physical damage to his body. Similar to how children sometimes WILL NOT listen no matter what is said, threatened, or taken away. Anyway, the point is, RE said something somewhat logical in his post. I would love to see a Bret Hart vs. Dynamite Kid ladder match. I know it would be awesome. I mean, it is Bret Hart and the Dynamite Kid - not everything good in wrestling has to be from a rigid list that ten people have created. It would be like saying Michael Jordan vs. LeBron James mano-a-mano would not be an excellent basketball chess match. Or that all of those untaped Flair vs. Steamboat matches in '89 wouldn't be fucking awesome. However. Having not seen the ladder match between Dyno and Bret, I would not put it above my current ladder choice. It might not be as good. At any rate, my response here is directed towards you in presentation, but it is more of a defense for RE, which will hopefully extinguish some responses from the Anti-RE brigade that would likely be coming. One thread was already engulfed with pointless bickering back and forth. This thread does not need to be tainted too.

Hashimoto is a legend, no doubt there, but it seems for as much as Joe respects him, he ultimately fails to bring Hashimotoism with him.

Jerry: I would get Will's 1993 Yearbook set. The 1996 was released earlier, but 1993 might be a better introduction to some of the folks who are sort of in their prime around 1996 (i.e. AJPW's Four Corners and NJPW's Hash). It also has a pre-Monday Night Wars era US coverage, which probably is a good contrast to 1996 where the US is starting to change. Anyway, it's an easy way to get a variety of Japan, in a way that isn't hammering you over the head with just one wrestler or promotion. John Plus 1993 is widely recognized as the best year in puroresu. Not saying I agree wholeheartedly with that sentiment, but All Japan and AJW were fantastic in '93.

What films?

Isn't Shawn/Razor eclipsed by the Hardys/E&C/Dudley Boyz in terms of significance though? Significance might be the wrong word here, though. What Shawn/Razor did, while awesome at the time, was expounded upon exponentially by the three tag teams. The beginning element was (IIRC) No Mercy 1999. I would be hard pressed in a choice between the originators or the death defying six.

Must see cage match = Bret vs. Owen, SummerSlam '94. Tully vs. Magnum I Quit would be #2. Must see high flyers match = Rey vs. Eddy, Mask vs. Title, Halloween Havoc '97. Liger vs. Samurai, 4-30-92 is #2. Must see match with blood = Muta Scale. Must see mat work = Clive Myers vs. Steve Grey, 11-22-75. Must see gimmick match = Combat Toyoda vs. Megumi Kudo, 5-5-96. Must see world title bout = Flair vs. Steamboat, 5-7-89. Must see 1970s match = Funk vs. Tsuruta, 6-11-76. Must see 1980s match = Adonis & Murdoch vs. Fujinami & Inoki, 12-7-84 or Hansen vs. Andre, 9-23-81. Must see 1990s match = Hansen vs. Kobashi, 7-29-93. Must see tag match = Misawa & Kobashi vs. Kawada & Taue, 6-9-95. Must see six-man match = 4-20-91, 5-22-92, or 7-2-93.

Andre vs. Hogan is not intended for a workrate pleasurable viewing. Its context is for historical purposes only. Kind of like teaching Shakespeare to high school kids. Not many will enjoy it, same with college, but they understand the importance of it. History is important, man.

...and it's historic.

I would think Hogan's first title win would be an important addition to any compilation if that comp was going to be with you on a desert island or similar situation. Very historical.

1-4-95 Shinjiro Ohtani vs. El Samurai NJPW – I might be confusing this with their 1-96 match. 1-4-95 Steiner Brothers vs. Muto & Hase NJPW - Naylor approved. 1-8-95 Terry Funk vs. Cactus Jack IWA Japan - A taste of what they are capable of. 1-13-95 Sabu vs. Cactus Jack NWC (Cage) - The two craziest dudes in America hurting each other for our viewing pleasure. 1-19-95 Akira Taue vs. Tommy Dreamer AJPW – For shock value alone for people who haven’t seen it yet. 1-19-95 Toshiaki Kawada vs. Kenta Kobashi AJPW (Triple Crown) - Hour long, I know. But it is a good hour spent. 1-24-95 Misawa & Kobashi vs. Kawada & Taue AJPW - Eh, just another Misawa/Kobashi vs. Kawada/Taue tag. Nothing special. 1-25-95 Volk Han vs. Akira Maeda RINGS 2-4-95 Chris Benoit vs. Al Snow ECW - Pretty famous. 2-25-95 Benoit & Malenko vs. Taz & Sabu ECW - First superbomb ever? 2-25-95 Shane Douglas vs. Marty Jannetty ECW 3-4-95 Stan Hansen vs. Toshiaki Kawada AJPW (Triple Crown) - I loved this match almost as much as their 2-93 match. 3-4-95 Misawa & Kobashi vs. Williams & Ace AJPW - Famous match. 3-13-95 Wild Pegasus vs. Koji Kanemoto NJPW 3-16-95 Mysterio/Santo/Octagon vs. Panther/Psicosis/F. Guerrera AAA 3-17-95 Dynamite Kansai vs. Mayumi Ozaki JWP (Street Fight) 3-24-95 Misawa/Kobashi/Hansen vs. Kawada/Taue/Baba AJPW - I know it isn't AJ sponsored, but the match is awesome nonetheless. I think some of the other matches on the card were cool too, but can't remember any additional info on 'em. 3-26-95 Yumiko Hotta vs. Lioness Asuka AJW (UFC Rules) - The more I watch Joshi the more I fear women. 3-26-95 Manami Toyota vs. Aja Kong AJW 4-6-95 Mitsuharu Misawa vs. Toshiaki Kawada AJPW - Famous for the face breaking and stellar match that followed after said face breaking. 4-8-95 Toshiaki Kawada vs. Akira Taue AJPW 4-8-95 Eddy Guerrero vs. Too Cold Scorpio ECW 4-12-95 Mitsuharu Misawa vs. Akira Taue AJPW - Not quite as good as 4-15, but who are you to judge Taue? 4-13-95 Toshiaki Kawada vs. Kenta Kobashi AJPW 4-15-95 Eddy Guerrero vs. Dean Malenko ECW (ECW Television Championship) - A lot of people dislike this, but this was like Flair vs. Steamboat to me when I first saw it. 4-15-95 Mitsuharu Misawa vs. Akira Taue AJPW - Taue's best match ever? 4-16-95 Shinjiro Ohtani vs. Koji Kanemoto NJPW 4-20-95 Nobuhiko Takada vs. Vader UWFI 4-21-95 Rey Mysterio Jr. vs. Juventud Guerrera (WWA Lightweight) 4-29-95 Steiner Brothers vs. Hase & Sasaki NJPW 5-3-95 El Hijo del Santo vs. Psicosis AAA - Often cited as the best lucha match. VERY good. 5-7-95 Manami Toyota vs. Kyoko Inoue AJW 5-13-95 Eddy Guerrero vs. Dean Malenko ECW (ECW Television Championship) 5-26-95 Stan Hansen vs. Mitsuharu Misawa AJPW (Triple Crown) - I might be confusing this with their '93 TC match. 6-9-95 Rob Van Dam vs. Dan Kroffat AJPW (PWF Junior Title) - I had a hard time remembering this because of the tag match which needs no explanation. 6-9-95 Misawa & Kobashi vs. Kawada & Taue AJPW 6-16-95 Rey Mysterio Jr. vs. Juventud Guerrera (WWA Lightweight) - Not as good as their 4-21 or ECW matches in my opinion, but still really good. 6-18-95 Mysterio/Santo/Parka/Octagon vs. Psicosis/Panther/Pentagon/F. Guerrera AAA 6-23-95 Silver King vs. Apolo Dantes 6-23-95 Shinjiro Ohtani vs. Koji Kanemoto NJPW 6-25-95 Black Tiger II vs. Koji Kanemoto NJPW 6-27-95 Manami Toyota vs. Aja Kong AJW 7-1-95 Shopping Mall Brawl Big Japan - Crazy. 7-1-95 Ian Rotten vs. Axl Rotten ECW (Taipei Death Match) - Stupid crazy. 7-4-95 Black Tiger II vs. Chris Benoit NJPW 7-7-95 Chris Benoit vs. El Samurai NJPW 7-7-95 Black Tiger II vs. Dean Malenko NJPW 7-7-95 Lion Heart vs. Ultimo Dragon WAR 7-13-95 Shinjiro Ohtani vs. Chris Benoit NJPW 7-15-95 Gangstas vs. Public Enemy ECW (Cage) 7-23-95 Jeff Jarrett vs. Shawn Michaels WWF 7-24-95 Kenta Kobashi vs. Akira Taue AJPW 7-24-95 Mitsuharu Misawa vs. Toshiaki Kawada AJPW (Triple Crown) - A very good, yet not praised nearly enough TC match. 8-4-95 Heavenly Bodies vs. Tracy Smothers & Dirty White Boy SMW 8-5-95 Eddy Guerrero & The Steiner Brothers vs. Dean Malenko, Too Cold Scorpio & Cactus Jack ECW - Love it. 8-11-95 Jushin Liger & El Samurai vs. Shinjiro Ohtani & Koji Kanemoto NJPW 8-20-95 Cactus Jack vs. Terry Funk IWA Japan - Stupid crazy vol. II 8-26-95 Eddy Guerrero vs. Dean Malenko ECW (2 out of 3 Falls) - I think this is an awesome match. 8-27-95 Shawn Michaels vs. Razor Ramon WWF (Ladder + WWF Intercontinental) 8-30-95 Double Inoues vs. Toyota & Hasegawa AJW 8-30-95 Dynamite Kansai vs. Aja Kong AJW 9-2-95 Manami Toyota vs. Akira Hokuto AJW 9-3-95 Yumiko Hotta vs. Manami Toyota AJW 9-5-95 Megumi Kudo & Combat Toyoda vs. Miwa Sato, Nurse Nakamura & Shark Tsuchiya FMW (Barbed Wire) 9-10-95 Akira Taue vs. Mitsuharu Misawa AJPW (Triple Crown) - Taue's "Ace up his sleeve"? 9-16-95 Rey Misterio Jr vs. Psicosis ECW - MY favorite type of lucha. 9-16-95 Raven & Stevie Richards vs. The Pit Bulls ECW (2 out of 3 Falls + Double Dog-Collar + ECW Tag Team Titles) 9-17-95 Ric Flair vs. Arn Anderson WCW 9-22-95 Rey Mysterio Jr vs. Psicosis AAA - SUPERB. 9-23-95 Steven Regal vs. Wild Pegasus NJPW 9-25-95 Jushin Liger vs. Shinjiro Ohtani NJPW 10-7-95 Rey Misterio Jr vs. Psicosis ECW (2 out of 3 Falls) 10-9-95 Ric Flair vs. Arn Anderson WCW (Cage) 10-15-95 Misawa & Kobashi vs. Kawada & Taue AJPW - One of the best tag matches in ever. 10-25-95 Gary Albright vs. Toshiaki Kawada AJPW - The violence is alright. 10-25-95 Mitsuharu Misawa vs. Kenta Kobashi AJPW (Triple Crown) 10-28-95 Sabu vs. Devon Storm NWA - Still think this is an awesome match. 11-18-95 Jushin Liger vs. Barry Houston WCW - I believed the hype man. Liger makes Houston be someone he could have never dreamed of being. 11-18-95 Rey Misterio Jr vs. Psicosis ECW (Mexican Death Match) - Probably my favorite lucha match of all-time. Makes rainy cold days enjoyable. 12-4-95 Kyoko Inoue vs. Aja Kong AJW 12-9-95 Steve Austin vs. Sandman vs. Mikey Whipwreck (ECW World Heavyweight) 12-9-95 Misawa & Kobashi vs. Kawada & Taue AJPW - It is Misawa & Kobashi vs. Kawada & Taue. 'Nuff said. 12-13-95 Shinjiro Ohtani vs. Ultimo Dragon WAR 12-13-95 Chris Jericho vs. Chris Benoit WAR 12-13-95 Rey Mysterio Jr vs. Psicosis WAR 12-13-95 Jushin Liger vs. Ultimo Dragon WAR 12-17-95 Bret Hart vs. Davey Boy Smith (WWF World Heavyweight) WWF 12-19-95 Volk Han vs. Yoshihisa Yamamoto RINGS 12-25-95 Psicosis & Halloween vs. Leon Negro & Ultraman 2000 AAA (No Rope Barbed Wire Street Fight Cage Match) - Best match on Christmas? 12-27-95 Eddy Guerrero vs. Shinjiro Ohtani WCW February, May, and November are weak spots for me. Couldn't think of anything that I had seen to put on it. Hope this helps somewhat, if anything.

Such an offer that can only be explained by professional wrestling. Maybe a Good Will Podcast burning question?

What did you think of TJ? I've been there a few times, but not to watch wrestling

Since when does a face challenge a heel to an I Quit match? Seems weird for some reason.

I thought you only watched American and puro John. Didn't realize your forte included lucha.

Actually, John, that is exactly why I think it wouldn't work. Harley is Harley, man. A man's man. Ric was not a man's man, man. Bob was a dorky looking guy, but holy shit, he had mongoloid strength. Plus, as you pretty much defined, Bob was only truly willing to work his particular style of a match. But Backlund realizes with Race, that if he pulls anything on Race, things would get ugly, and Bob is probably smart enough to also realize that Race would likely hurt Bob very badly if it turned ugly. What does Bob do? He let's Harley FUCKING Race get in on the action, man. But Ric Flair? That bleached head, dick nose, weird teeth, and an arrogant motherfucker to boot, his ass is getting broken off by Bob MOTHERFUCKING Backlund. That is my Holy Grail match, man. Don't be hating on it. By the way, what did I do to deserve that?

Thanks for the compliment. I think if anything, having a cap size wouldn't necessarily be a thing to include. Why not have a list 1,000 matches strong? I mean, Will and other people are routinely unearthing new footage. Like that one French match from the latest PS compilation (Gilbert Cesca vs. Billy Catanzarro (France 1960s)). Unless that has been common place unbeknownst to me, it is some new and awesome match for our viewing pleasure. Nevertheless, I understand the drawback of not having some sort of cap size. We could easily fill it up with "normal" matches, which would defeat its purpose. So at any rate, if people are interested in such an endeavor, shall the discussions begin? My tentative plan would be something like a list per promotion, where discussion/voting/ideas could be hashed out, and once something has received X amount of approval, the approved matches are consolidated onto the "master" list. Or something to that effort. Some posts from the past: If I had to use a personal pick for its inclusion, I would. Easily one of my favorite matches ever. This is where the voting process would work best. I find it worthy, whereas you don't. Some may agree with you, which would be disagreeing with me. I'm okay with that. I hope the same would be kosher with you. Subjectivity is subjectivity, man

Look at post #28

Agreed on the above match. I watched it on one of the Phil Schneider compilations. The rewind spots are incredible. Hate though to see what a feminist would say about the match. But that might be interesting nonetheless. And still no comment on my huge list or idea? What's up with that?