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tomk

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  1. I don't know. The Norwegian food analogy is a horrible analogy because it takes a simple concept and instead of making it clearer makes it more complicated. I mean the point he's trying to make would make a lot more sense without the kooky analogy. The WNBA comparison is bad cause it is just wrong. The Norwegian food analogy disaster distracts from the last two paragraphs on fiction being traditionally more popular than reality. Those are probably the most interesting paragraphs as to where Dave's head is at. I don't know if anyone has attendance figures for Globetrotters games. But I wouldn't be surprised if the 09-10 Nets (real loosing team) did better average attendance than the fake winning team. Reading those final two paragraphs I was reminded of the old thread where the argument was made that since Lance Storm had a similar look to Mirko Cro Cop, that the WWE should have been able to promote Lance as well as Pride promoted Cro Cop.
  2. Apparently, the hilarious WNBA talking point isn't going away anytime soon.
  3. This thread is now over three years old and 225 pages long. It would be nice to close it, archive it and start a new one.
  4. I think for the purpose of S.L.L.'s question the issue was world title claimant's (and I'd assume he meant major world title's and wouldn't consider the middleweight title runs of guys like White Man/Alberto Munoz who has to have beeen born in early thirties, Humberto Garza or Septiembre Negro who I'm guessing were born in mid to late 30s,or Angelo Mosca's Tv title, or the NWA midget title run of Lord Littlebrook who is listed as being born in 29).
  5. From Sep 27th Observer
  6. Is it possible that it’s just about the T-shirts. The whole Stand Up for the WWE really feels less like completely tone-deaf political campaign attempt than it feels like an attempt at merch sales. Maybe it just is that the WWE knows how to put together a T-shirt campaign better than it does an election one. But Stand Up for the WWE started in mid October about the same time that the WWE traditionally does it’s angles built around getting addresses for their Christmas catalog mailing list (send get well cards to Matilda, Austin passes around a petition, etc). And it really has the feel of those things. Don’t get me wrong, I am not a guy who thinks Vince is particularly clever or underestimates his foolishness. But is it possible that Vince just saw that they’ve wasted 41 million on the campaign and went “Let’s see if we can salvage that loss and sell some T-shirts"?
  7. tomk

    WEC --> UFC

    Shouldn’t this be an RIP WEC thread. As someone who regularly watches WEC and doesn’t regularly watch UFC, part of the charm of the WEC is that the matchmaking was better. My impression is that Adams and later Shelby’s vision on how to construct a card , vision of what are interesting matchups, vision of what defines a “good fights”, and vision of how to create contenders is different than White/Silva’s. I don’t see that making it through a merger. And long run I wouldn't be surprised if featherweight title just dissapears.
  8. This Stand Up for the WWE seems like a really bad idea. Did they not hire a real political consultant? Are they doing everything in house? I imagine the kind of WWE fan who will respond to this ad campaign is exactly the kind of WWE fan you want to hide from public view: If there is a political lesson to be learned from Glen Beck's rally in DC, it is telling your supporters to refrain from making their own signs is key to controling your message.
  9. I think Alvarez's "wow this stuff used to be really good" is refreshing next to normal Alvarez "There's no way anything could have ever been as good as this Angle v Michaels match."
  10. So I think i've learned how to read Meltzer's between the lines stuff but don't know if I have learned Bix yet. i'm assuming this means Irv cashed check and doesn't care if not being made?
  11. tomk

    WON 2010

    I agree, which is why I suggested route of contacting workers who Konan didn't give a gig. As Meltzer has a hard on for workers, and I can't imagine him turning any down.
  12. http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/10...claim-video.php McDevitt threats always entertain.
  13. there is nothing sadder than internet suicide notes...but since we are talking stuff that needed to be "corrected, my undestanding is that Meltzer's talking point has always been that the WWF didn't expect the Lawler v Hart stuff to do well but it was one of the strongest drawing Hart series at that point.
  14. How does the DDP/Eddy program look with hindsight? At the time I remember it being contentious among your smart mark set. It was pretty much a B show main event program that the live crowd seemed really into, but it was before Savage v DDP feud and DDP didn't have anything in the way of smark fans (I remember being surprised at how much I dug DDP v Hacksaw at the time but again have no idea how that will look in 2010). But there was an argument at the time as to how much or how little DDP was forcing Eddy to dumb down and curious what it looks like 14 years later.
  15. The WNBA stuff is mindlowingly dumb. But I can't find the thread where the stuf with Raven comes from:
  16. I've been on a federal jury a couple times. That's pretty standard logic to justify prosecuting something on federal level.
  17. I think the problem is less ham actors( well yes Michaels is a particularly hammy actor who provides specific problems) than the type of acting/oratory that wrestling traditionally has been based on. The point I used to make about the problem with sitcom writers in wrestling was that they write for post microphone/post recorded sound/post radio/post television world of small vocal gestures. While wrestling oratory was the last place where people still worked in model of William Jennings Bryan and not intimacy of FDR fireside chats, Al Jolson and not Bing Crosby. There are guys who use intimacy with audience in their oratory, but it is a tool in larger Jolson style big showman performance. You can write great stories for Al Jolson or William Jennings Bryan or Bert Lahr,etc.. But I don't want to hear chet Baker attempt to sing Jolson or opera and I don't expect Bryan to be able to deliver a fireside chat.
  18. In talking about the various characters on the WCW B sides project I remembered the story of Hardbody Harrison and the scummiest wrestling school con of all time. http://www.wsbtv.com/news/14663979/detail.html Hardbody Harrison used the prospect of wrestling school to lure women into forced labor and prostitution. He defended himself in court maintaining the con claiming " he was just training the women to be professional wrestlers. He said many of them arrived on drugs and left in the best shape of their lives." as though forcing the women work as prostitues and to haul lumber and sod was some sort of Mr. Miyagi "wax on/wax off" style training regimen. Truly the standard by which all wrestling school cons must be judged.
  19. Was “Stone Cold” Steve Austin ever afraid of being “fired”? Would the threat of firing him keep him from still coming in and beating the heel boss? Even if fired, security would need to be hired to keep Austin away from beating heels. Firing him wasn't going to get rid of him; the only way to get of him was to beat him. That is the logic of wrestling. Compromising by choosing to avoid conflict instead of escalating it is the act of a wimp. Cena is a guy who has fans among women and kids but struggles to appeal to emotionally crippled males like Resident Evil who struggle to mask their fear of women and the vulnerably of childhood. You shouldn't build a fed around appealing to Resident Evil. But the socially inept barely hiding their fear of their impotent weaknesses behind embrace of power fantasies is an important part of the audience.
  20. I have never had any problem with his punctuation. He does some nice narrative pieces. I remember liking the piece he did about touring with a retiring Buddy Wayne around 2003. I don't want toe ever read his analysis but he can write narrative well.
  21. So reading the cageside seats piece and I really don’t see anything particularly appalling (or damning by wrestling standards). --They didn’t pay their women much of anything and treated them like they were interchangeable even though they were the highest drawing segments on the shows? Playboys big draw is the women too, they’re not going to run pictorials on nothing but the same three women all year either. Christy Hemme being paid $150,000 is far more damning than women’s champ getting $300 per show. -The situation with TNA as booking agent asking for ridiculous fees from indies, is an interesting story. And well since no one else does a similar “you can work the indies but have to be booked through us” type of operation…is actually interesting. But it was pretty clear from the start that this would be problematic. -Rob Terry doing the chair shot Big Bubba Rogers/Meng angle is surprising because I didn’t think there was anyone in current management who would be familiar with that type of old school angle. It’s an angle you do once and then sell big.. and it requires that the rest of the show isn’t filled with unsold stunt wrestling. -Not paying for medical costs is scummy but the whole point of the “independent contractor” scam is to avoid paying compensation benefits.
  22. tomk

    WON 2010

    Dave is a mark for folks in the biz having votes. If you: A)provided him with the addresses of Emilio Charles Jr, Javier Llanes, Canek, Perro Aguayo, Hijo del Santo, Cesar, Apollo Dantes, Mocho Cota, Dos Caras, Satanico, Mano Negra, Dory Dixon, Super Astro, el Matematico, Solar, Fuerza, Lola Gonzalez B] Offered to translate the ballots for him Would he turn you down? Would that be particularly difficult to do? That’s pretty much a random list of folks who I remember having their phone numbers posted in “Box y Lucha” within last seven years. (plus Satanico who Schneider was at one point in contact with, and Dixon who Fernandez at one point was in contact with).
  23. tomk

    WON 2010

    Thanks. This is what Meltz wrote on the figurefour board when asked why Albano (if he was the anchor for so many years) wasn't then in the oiginal class: Still based on KrisZ's list I don't see "carrying the territory on the heel side".
  24. So I watched the clip. That's Rock promoting a movie, it's the same exact interview Scott Caan, Terry Crews or Jason statham would give in the same ri area. I don't know if Rock thinks that Pro wrestling and MMA are the same biz or if he's an insecure pro wrestler. Both may be true or neither. But watching the actual interview it feels like he would have said the same thing at a poker or foosball tournament. Promote the movie and put over the local promotion and the fans of it.
  25. Del Rios has worked in front of Arena Mexico (among other large arenas) many times. I could see someone saying that the criticism of him has always been that he worked for TV and not to the live crowd. Still, if i get Bix's criticism it isn't question of being trained in front of large crowds...it's question of being trained to play to a "live audience" instead of to the camera.
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