
tomk
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Michaels? How is Michaels in position tell him this?
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They are working Hulk Hogan. It is expected that this will happen when working Hogan. Does Kamala complain that he never got a win against Undertaker?
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He traded wins with Cena.
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Guy who works the cash 4 gold scheme seems like the perfect guy to be investigating the history of wrestling.
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In terms of statistical significance thought all your ratings scores were essentially plus or minus .2. So really its all the same thing.
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Ted Turner ran a large entertainment company. From the Bischoff thread here: The question isn't if WCW was loosing money on their books but if Turner entertainment was making a profit off of owning WCW. Panda Energy is not an entertainment company, doesn't own a satelite television station, they construct power plants.
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My impression was that Konnan was editing Steve Simms piece which seems like a bad idea.
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Damnit, that's my honeymoon.
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Never read it but remember Meltzer's criticisms being kind of odd ones: book spent alot of time setting up some Kentucky manager up as being your protypical wrestling manager when that guy was doing a watered down Wild Red Berry gimmick, etc.
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The real issue isn't what celebrities Martin recognizes versus which he doesn't. It doesn't matter. http://www.variety.com/article/VR111800733...yId=14&cs=1 The celebrities are a way of saying “hey we’re not some entertainment ghetto separate from the rest of the celebrity circuit.” It doesn’t matter who the actual celebritires are. The actual celebrity on a variety show doesn’t matter. In the 80s what percentage of the audience watching The Love Boat knew who Pearl Bailey was? What percentage recognized Theodore Bikel, Red Buttons, or Cyd Charrise? You turn on the Love Boat and you know that you’’ll get Hollywood stars of yesteryear and up and coming current ones. No one opened their Tv guide and went “Normally I don’t watch the Love Boat but oh shit Morey Amsterdam and Scattman Crothers are going to be on this week”. You tune in to see a variety show with a celebrity (who that celebrity is doesn’t matter). SNL is probably closer to the model Mcmahon is going for than The Love Boat. This is an amusing orgthoery.net discussion of Saturday Night Live: http://orgtheory.wordpress.com/2009/12/09/...age-can-comedy/
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Benoit killed his wife and kid, which is pretty asshole behavior. I think he worked hard and had lots of good matches, and was a top level performer for a long time. Shawn Michaels seems like far less of an asshole than that clearly. The question isn't his assholedom. The question is did he have a HOF quality career. I don't think he had a HOF worthy career pre-comeback. I've liked some of HBK's post comeback veteran legend work. I liked some of the Baron's veteran legend work at the end of AWA too. But I wouldn't think that level of work helps anyones HOF candidacy. Post comeback HBK has headlined lots of shows in essentially the role of HHH's Beefcake, guy who is pushed and protected because he doesn't threaten anyone in power. He's drawn well in that position. I could see argument for him as HOF candidate based on his drawing ability as regular uppercard opponet. I could also see making an argument for Tiger Singh based on same criteria.
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I also don't buy that his induction had as much to do with comeback performances as it did with the influx of new voters.
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Cena not being as protected as DX doesn't seem to be an example of the problem of parity booking. Cena working an opening match at 2008 Judgement Day isn't parity booking either.
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The real issue isn't what celebrities Martin recognizes versus which he doesn't. It doesn't matter. http://www.variety.com/article/VR111800733...yId=14&cs=1 The celebrities are a way of saying “hey we’re not some entertainment ghetto separate from the rest of the celebrity circuit.” It doesn’t matter who the actual celebritires are. The actual celebrity on a variety show doesn’t matter. A couple months back I was babysitting my niece and watching Yo gabba Gabba. Yo Gabba Gabba is a variety show with a weekly musical guest. That weeks musical guest was Lady Tigra: Lady Tigra was one half of late 80s Miami Bass duo Lil Trimm: “ We like the cars the cars that go boom , we’re Tigra and Bunny and we like da boom”. My two year old niece doesn’t know who Lady Tigra is. My guess is most of the parents watching Noggin with their kids can’t identify Bass artists. I don’t know how many parents in their thirties remember Miami bass artists from the late 80s, either. In the seventies pre-Three’s Company how many kids watching the New Scooby Doo movies knew who Don knots was? Who Mama Cass was? In the 80s what percentage of the audience watching The Love Boat knew who Pearl Bailey was? What percentage recognized Theodore Bikel, Red Buttons, or Cyd Charrise? You turn on the Love Boat and you know that you’’ll get Hollywood stars of yesteryear and up and coming current ones. No one opened their Tv guide and went “Normally I don’t watch the Love Boat but oh shit Morey Amsterdam and Scattman Crothers are going to be on this week”. You tune in to see a variety show with a celebrity (who that celebrity is doesn’t matter).
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I don't think there is a ton of parity booking on the top of the card. I wrote a couple years ago about the WWF midcard: http://segundacaida.blogspot.com/2008/03/b...nth-day-29.html I think this is part of what Loss is talking about when he says a roster full of stars. The WWE used to be able to protect hot midcard acts. It seems like there is no interest in that anymore. Either an act gets popular and then is fed to the top stars or it's just jobbed out.
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This is super amusing. I'd imagine jdw can pull out the Meltzer quotes from the time where Meltz seemed to refuse to believe that anyone was voting against Michaels based on anything but spite.
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Really? Did TNA become any less Russo filled nonsense once Dutch and Jarrett were removed? Was it as nutty if not worse? It may be playing devil's advoocate. But I've watched lots and lots of Dutch booked Puerto Rico (plus some Dutch booked Memphis), and unfortuantely I've watched a ton of Russo. Keller seemed to be regularly blaming signature Russo stuff on people who weren't Russo.
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He is? He's always taking TNA to task for the convoluted storylines and overbooking. Maybe so, but if he's actually blaming Russo for those problems, that's a big new development. As recently as 2007, he was bending over backwards to deflect blame for TNA's failings from Russo onto Jarrett and Mantel. I think he did that up into 2009. although it all has been pretty close to the stuff on the first page here...Russo is flawed but creative while Jarrett and Dutch are out of touch/ Russo shouldn't be blamed for stuff when it's more likely someone else's fault yadda yadda..
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What exactly was Vince's relationship with Dusty. I was watching some 89 WWF and you have Tv shows with with both Virgil and Akeem the African Dream on the same episode and it seemed excessive to have two characters both as shots at same guy (and race based shots at that). By the end of 89 you have shows with polka dot Dusty w/Saphire, plus Akeem doing his Dusty impression plus Virgil. Three gimmicks aimed at mocking same guy on the same show is overkill. I mean when the IRS was giving Vince trouble there was only one guy with an IRS gimmick, when the PTC was complaining there was only one heel group working a PTC faction gimmick, when his neighbors didn't like him there was only one Conneticut blue blood heel.
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I tend to disaagree with alot of Bowden's opinions on wrestling but this is filled withh Kevin Lawler quotes on his time as assitant booker to Eddie in ECW. Kevin Lawler's senseof Eddie not really having hart in it jibes with my own. http://www.quickstopentertainment.com/wrestling/101.html
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I haven't watched the Eddie booked period of ECw in ages. Moved to suburban Philly in 93 right around the switch, but my memory was that the Gilbert period had some neat stuff in it but was mostly a guy milking a money mark (not that there is anything wrong with that). A pretty huge step down from his Global stuff. As booker/wrestler Gilbert had some really entertaining ideas and he is a guy whose love of wrestling is infectious, comes through when you're watching most of the stuff that he booked. My memory is that it doesn't come accross that way in ECW. I don't see Gilbert's death as being something that really enhanced his legend. If you go through the reposts of the 80s Observers they are filled with Gilbert praise. Too whatever degree Gilbert is overated, he is a guy who got the genius boooker cachet the same way Heyman did and same way Konnan has (cultivated good relationships with wrestling media/zines).
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Unfortunately the figure four/observer web site doesn't seem to have a search engine. If someone can find Babinsack analysis of Barthes for the observer, it is worth reading for a sense of Babysack as guy who neither understands philosophy or understnads wrestling. He is the single biggest idiot writing as a regular columnist for the figure four/observer website. This is him complaining about a science fiction novel elsewhere: http://www.arwz.com/zinereviewJOB1.php Babysack is from Pittsburgh and has managed to sucker Bruno into allowing Bablesack to either edit or cowrite his updated bio (also acts as liason between Bruno and wrestling media).
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Jake Roberts: "She was such a kind little thing you know. And right there part of me that goes she's going to live the rest of her life and have seven kids and whatever and wind up being a lady truck driver that crossdresses or something but she'll always remember tonight. Y'know. That's why I always enjoy the small town. They really dig it. They really appreciate it. You go to a place like this by God. I could be mayor here if I wanted to next week. They'd execute the one they've got and put me in power. I'd be a dictator mayor. And they'd love it. That's some scary shit" I'm trying to come up with a wrestler who isn't a delusional egomaniac. I mean some of them use some rhetorical humility...but c'mon for guys who have posted regular columns on thew web I don't see Bret anywhere near top 5 most delusional. Out of wreslters in general, I don't see him as that warped.
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If you took asurvey of random people, a high percentage won't know the name of anyone on RAW.
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Remember Guerrero being mad about the failure to protect back of head,(which I think was blamed on Angle's deafness missing the request or some such) getting caught in a headlock backstage and then just calming down and apologizing in headlock for making too big of a deal of it. And don't remember it as Eddy deadweighting so much as not bouncing back up for next move. Whatever. I mean it's something reported by Meltzer, that Shapiro recounted and I question aspects of that retelling. One guy with horrible grammar reports something. And then a guy with horrible grammar rewrites that original report according to memory. And then another guy with horrible grammar questions the retelling based on his memory. In that context arguing about the lack of clarity and usage over who was the actor and subject seems pointless.