JerryvonKramer

An eyesore on WCW for many years. How Jimmy Garvin stayed employed for as long as he did is a marvel of modern science. Has probably won the Billy Graham award more times on WTBBP than any other worker.

Ric Flair vs. Mick Foley (8/20/06) Before the match, Foley is with Melina. They have having second thoughts, but after Melina questions him, Foley freaks out and is ready. 0/10. This is from Summerslam and is an I Quit match. JR and Lawler on commentary. Foley ambushes to start and gets the mandible claw on with socko early. Gets on the mic, "say it!" No chance. Gets the barbed wire. Flair comes back. Low blow. Flair gets barbed wire socko and nails some chops with it. The barbed wire board comes out now, Foley rams Flair with it. And again. Elbow drop with the board! "Say it!" "Kiss my ..." Flair is a bloody mess already. Thumb tacks all over the ring now by Foley. Bodyslam by Foley right onto the tacks. "You son of a bitch, you're going to suffer!" screams Foley. Barbie comes out, Foley mashes it in Flair's eyes until he hits a low blow for a reprieve. Flair's face is very red with blood. He gets on the mic now, "you quit or I'll kill you right here". Foley takes a big bump to the outside and seems injured. Refs come to check on him as well as Melina. Match seems to be over. "Wait a minute, this isn't a lay down on your ass match, it's an I quit match, get your ass in here Foley!" Flair grabs him and rolls him into the ring. Barbie to be face by Flair. Drives it like a post. Melina throws the towel in and says he quits. "She does not quit for him!" He goes to hit Melina but Foley says, "I quit! I quit!" What? Was this a shoot? What happened here? Did Foley get legit injured? Don't get that finish. This was not a good match. Everything happened way too quickly. All of the different weapons and things came out too soon, and since Flair was the babyface in this deal I don't think Foley really had enough heat in the body of the match. Alright, barbed wire to the face, bodyslam on thumb tacks, both got to hurt, but they didn't build to that at all so it was all over in like five minutes. And then I dunno, what happened to Foley to make him so hurt? This one fell flat to me. ** Cesaro vs. John Cena (2/17/14) Cesaro was managed by Zeb Colter at this point. Ron Simmons was trending on Twitter, why? Cole and JBL on commentary. Oh, Lawler there too. Headlock by Cesaro to start, headlock takeover by Cena. Hiptoss. Arm bar by Cesaro. Headlock takeover. Tiltawhirl backbreaker. European uppercut. Bit of king of the mountain. Chinlock. Cena comes back with a backbreaker. After the a break we get a fall away slam into a pin attempt by Cesaro. Some more stuff, before Cena applies an STF and Cesaro counters and nails a gut wrench suplex. Uppercut. Cena gets Cesaro down for the five knuckle shuffle. Cool spot now as Cesaro launches Cena up in the air and uppercuts him on the way down. Tornado DDT by Cena. Big uppercut by Cesaro sends Cena flying off the top rope. Superplex from the other side of the apron by Cesaro. Wow, that's a unique spot. Cover still gets two only. STF! Cena applying the hold. Swing time from Cesaro. Cover gets two only. This is awesome chant from the crowd. Big clothesline by Cena. AA and cover gets three. Aside from a couple of cool spots, I thought this was pretty unremarkable. First ten minutes were just some mat exchanges, nothing to write home about, before bigger moves after the break. Cesaro has some impressive raw strength and a nice uppercut. But this didn't have a great flow for me. Cesaro had a long time on offense in order to go through the gears and show off his offensive arsenal -- perhaps my favourite thing in wrestling -- but that's not really how the heat stretches were worked. Cena was kind of in Backlund mode here: not staying down, constantly countering or trying to mount comebacks and that disrupted the flow of Cesaro getting real heat. And even within the scope of a fifteen minute TV match, we got into false-finish-vile territory near the end. So I wasn't much of a fan of the structure of this one. Cesaro looks alright to me, he's never looked like this really great worker when I've seen him. His frustration when he put Cena away didn't really register much, and if people wonder why he doesn't get pushed much, it's probably because Vince thinks he lacks charisma. He wouldn't be wrong on the evidence of this. Some solid work but nothing to light the world on fire. *** Chris Harris vs. James Storm (5/13/07) This is called slumming it. TNA seems a lot more Southern than I recall here. Crowd busts out a TNA chant. They brawl in the crowd to start. Commentators are Mike Tenay and Don West. Harris does a crossbody from the top of the ring all the way to the other side of the railing. Pretty huge spot. Cover gets three. And Storm has a ten count to get to his feet. The Texas Death match has more variants than any other stip. Storm smashes Harris in the face, and did he bust him open? Harris is bleeding and looks stunned. It was a pretty stiff chop to the face. Storm sets up a table in the middle of the retarded six-sided ring. Uppercut. Tries a hurricanrana from the top, but Harris blocks. Sunset flip. Harris tries a sharpshooter. Instead he catapults Storm into the bottom of the table. Ouch, nasty spot and Storm has a gusher himself now. Crimson flowing here. Spinning powerbomb thing by Storm into the table. Again nasty looking. Cover gets three. Harris is up at nine, barely. Storm goes and gets another table, he's bleeding onto it. Sets it up outside. Back in and DDT by Storm. Grabs a trash can. Harris spears him onto that table. Tennessee Jackie Moore pushes Harris off Storm. Harris grabs a chair. Super kick by Storm! Cover gets, two only! First match in history for there to be two straight three counts before the first nearfall, ha ha! Trash can lids battle now. Catatonic onto the trash can by Storm. Cover gets two! West explains the psychology of the nearfalls on commentary ... Pride won't let either drop a three count to the other's finisher. Gail Kim comes out to eject Moore. Both men have bottles, and Harris smashes Storm in the face with one. Glass powders out in his hand. Cover gets three and Storm can't get up by ten. This is a heated and gritty southern brawl that feels like one. Both men felt like they wanted it, and both gave a lot and bled a lot. A couple of spots felt overly telegraphed and choreographed for me in such a blood feud type match. For example, when Storm set up that table outside which wasn't paid off for another minute or so. Why was he setting up a table instead of trying to ram a leg of it down Harris's throat? But I think this had enough other wild moments to overcome niggles like that. Overall, I thought it was very good. **** Chris Benoit vs. Kurt Angle (9/22/02) Rikishi stink faces both men in the hype: 0/10. I haven't enjoyed three previous matches involving these guys, see here: http://prowrestlingonly.com/index.php?/topic/21525-kurt-angle/?p=5660409 Benoit tries for the crossface early. Angle takes over. Backbreaker. Continues to focus on the midsection. Misses a shoulder barge and hits the post. Back suplex by Benoit, lands on the injured shoulder. So we have midsection vs. shoulder here. Belly to belly by Angle. Two German suplexes by Benoit. Angle elbows out and does two of his own. Benoit elbows out. German! Angle breaks, German! Another one. A third. All in, eight Germans then. Angle goes for the Angleslam, Benoit reverses with a sick overhead back suplex thing. Goes to the top, Angle runs over to belly-to-belly him from the top. Ankle lock. Several countered tombstones culminates in a shoulder breaker by Benoit. Diving headbutt from the top to at same shoulder, Crossface! I like how Benoit is still focusing on the shoulder. Angle gets in an ankle lock and manages to reverse the hold into that. Alternating cross faces and ankle locks now. Angle gets on the crossface, and Benoit gets in a sneaky flash pin using the ropes. Angle is pissed and Benoit has stolen the win. This was a bombfest which was trying to tell a particular story: "anything you can do, I can do better". They were going for parity. Angle hits a German, Benoit hits a German. Angle does a move and gets it countered, Benoit does. Rinse repeat. Despite that, they also managed to work in some basic psychology, Benoit's injured midsection sort of got forgotten about, but Angle's injured shoulder played right through the match. "Go go go" would be one phrase for this one, and we did get to see some very well executed bombs, but it all felt a bit light and frothy. Match was like a firework, burned brightly for a while before fading away very quickly. I mean as I'm typing this, Eric Bishcoff has two lesbians with him and has brought out Stephanie and is promising a threesome. I've completely forgotten about Angle vs. Benoit. We don't get a real les-up. Bischoff sends them away and then I turned it off. *** Chris Benoit and Kurt Angle vs. Edge and Rey Mysterio (10/20/02) This is from No Mercy. Cole and Tazz. Steph was all over the TV in 2002 seemingly as SD GM. In the build, Angle and Benoit were not getting along when tagging as part of a tournament. This match was the final to crown the new tag champs. Intros take forever as all four men come out individually. Rey and Angle to start. Angle dominates and throws Rey at Edge disrespectfully. Rey isn't having it, he says come on. Angle is toying with him in a reverse waist lock so Ret stamps on his foot. Hurricanrana. Payback slapping Angle on the back of the head (Kurt did the same earlier). Edge in. Benoit in. Some stuff. Stomach breaker by Edge. Backbreaker. Oklahoma roll. Dirty knee from the apron by Angle. Instant payback as Edge spears him off the apron the next time. Cheap shot by Angle. Neckbreaker by Benoit. Angle in. Stomps. Looks like Edge is our FIP, curious you'd expect it to by Rey. Knee lift by Angle. Cover gets two. Body scissors and a chinlock by Angle. Belly to belly suplex. Benoit in. Some strikes. Three German suplexes. Goes to the top. Edge knocks him. Superplex! Both men top. Hot tag! Hurricanrana. Drop toehold into the second turnbuckle. Kick to the face. Leg drop from the top across the throat when Benoit was hanging over second. But Benoit counters something into the crossface. Right in the centre. Edge breaks it. Drop kick by Rey. 619 countered by Benoit who goes to do a shoulder breaker, but Edge hits a missile drop kick for a hot near fall. Rey goes up top, Kurt over to belly to belly from the top. Benoit covers for a hot two. Very exciting sequence. Angle in and they are attacking the kidney area of Rey. This is our second FIP sequence. Doubt heat people. Backbreaker. Suplex. Benoit in. This has been a great FIP sequence on Rey. Edge gets the tag and hits several moves, cover is broken. Spear by Edge on Benoit, Rey in with the rodeo. Angle is on the top, hurricanrana by ?Rey. Benoit tries a giving headbutt, ends up nailing Angle. Benoit trips Edge goes for another spear, and locks in the crossface. 619 by Rey on Benoit. Angle hits the Angleslam. Ankle lock on Edge. Insane chaos in this match. So many close saves and nearfalls. Ankle lock on Edge again by Angle. Countered! Edge with the ankle lock. Reversed! Edge taps. Wow, finishing stretch went on forever, and I'm not a fan of ankle lock / crossface endless reversals, and we had huge huge finisher spam, but, but but but ... This was a really hot match with two fantastic FIP sequences showcasing Angle and Benoit's stellar offense in a structure that let it look great. I dug this a lot. Rey and Edge were perfectly fine in their roles too. Good performances from all four guys. ****1/2 Brock Lesnar vs. The Undertaker (10/20/02) Same show, No Mercy, Taker's hand is officially broken after a vicious attack backstage by Brock. Hype video: 6/10. All Taker to start. Heyman has a hideous ponytail at this time. Brock takes over, works the arm because of of course, Taker's hand is broken. Brock is busted open soon enough. Taker blasts him into the cage a number of times. Cheese grater action. After some more of this, Taker manages to grab a hold of Heyman's tie and smashes him against, the cage, so he has colour too. Lesnar comes back. Heyman hands him a belt. Chair shot. They have Taker's broken hand tied with the belt. Brock smashes the hand with the chair so hard that the leather belt breaks in two. Taker comes back but his hand is really injured. That attack by Brock was mental. He rips at the cast. Takes a boot to the face. Heyman has been screaming shit from the outside like a demented madman. Back in the ring and Lesnar rips the cast off. The broken hand is now exposed. Brock stamps on it. Bends it around the rope. Sits Taker on the top rope and then swings from the roof to kick him in the face. Brutal. Taker pushes him off. Taker walks across the top rope. Elbow drop from there. Cover gets two. Taker looks at his broken hand. Jaw breaker by Lesnar over the apron. Taker kicks him out of the ring. Plancha! Taker can't lift the stairs because of his hand. Brock can though and smashes him in the face with them. Oh man, he's pouring blood. A second sick shot, level of blood on Taker is insane. It's like sheet blood over his face. He comes back a bit nevertheless. Spinebuster by Brock. This juice job by Taker is something else. Clothesline with the broken hand. Stamps on Brock's hand for payback. And again. And again. Blood is literally just gushing out of Taker's face. F5? No, chokeslam! Cover gets two only! Brock tries to go for the Last Ride, but Taker backdrops him. Hits a DDT. Cover gets two. Taker goes for the Last Ride. Brock comes back. Pummelling Taker now, but he manages to get in a Last Ride. Cover gets ... Is it three? No, Brock has a hand on the ropes! Taker tries a tombstone, countered. Cover gets three and the win for Lesnar. Wow, this was a great match which had a lot of things: psychology built around the injured hand, real animosity, a truly sick juice job, some insane spots (chair shots on hand which broke the belt, stair shots), and a hot finishing stretch. Really fantastic. Like Orton vs. Foley, it just misses out on that full five because it's missing the true hatred / humiliation factor of my blood feud pantheon. But great stuff. ****3/4 John Cena vs. Justin Bradshaw Layfield (5/22/05) Hype package here is built around neither guy being a quitter and so "I Quit" match. JBL says that to make another man say "I Quit" means to own his soul. Strong promos from both guys. 7/10. Cena was still quite rapper-y at this stage. JBL comes out in a limo. Commentators are Cole and Tazz again. Someone has misspelled "bourgeois" on a post called JBL a loser, a true wrestling sign right there folks. Cena comes out with a truck that Jack Burton out of Big Trouble in Little China might drive. He kicks the bull horns off JBL's limo while he walks past it. He is clearly over as babyface here and JBL strongly booed. Ah, the spinner belt. Lame. As. Fuck. Cena with headlocks to start. Arm drag, now he works the arm. I swear Cena was watching Backlund videos. JBL comes back with clubbing blows. DDT. Covers. Ref reminds him there are no covers. Clothesline sends JBL to the outside. Out into the crowd, JBL on top. Neckbreaker on the concrete. Grabs a monitor. Gets in his face: "say it or your ass is mine". No cigar. Cena with a flurry, but goes shoulder first into the steps. JBL grabs a belt and whips Cena with it. Chokes Cena around the ring post. Cena pulls it off with real force though and JBL hurts his shoulder. He's still on top though and goes to the announce table. "Your rap career, your movie career, you stupid son of a bitch! Say goodbye to it now or quit!" "Kiss my ass!" Back drop through the table for JBL. But then Bradshaw grabs a chair and cracks Cena. JBL was a very good heel. Cen has been busted open with than chair shot. JBL has the steps. Crack on the skull. Disrespectful kicks to his head. Mic shot to the head. Cena is bleeding a lot here. Kicks and stomps by JBL. Clothesline from Hell! And a second one. Cena seems to be choking on his own blood. Third Clothesline from Hell! Now JBL grabs Cena's chain thing. Chokes him out with it. He is totally covered in blood. Low blow by JBL as Cena makes his comeback. "I told you you would bleed, I don't lie, quit!" JBL smashes Cena with the mic. "I want my championship back now quit you punk ass bitch!" This seems to revivify Cena, side slam. Five knuckle shuffle. FU. JBL slithers out of the ring, gives Cena the finger and leaves. Cena goes after him. Slams his head on the bonnet of the limo. Slam onto the limo. JBL though gives him a neckbreaker on the hood of the limo to cut him off. Boot to the face. They are on the stage area now. JBL grabs a live electrical cable out of a TV and chokes Cena with it. He powers out of the cable and smashes JBL's head clean through the TV set! JBL is of course bleeding now too. Smashes him into the window of the limo now. Which smashes. Onto the roof of the limo. Suplex by Cena! JBL tries to sneak into the limo. Cena drags him out and whips him into the door. And again. Breaks it off. They go up a ramp now. Onto the truck. Cena smashes JBL into a gas canister. But he snaps off a DDT in desperation, on the truck. He grabs some more wire no and chokes Cena more. Up onto the lighting rig. And he is trying to hang Cena. But he has the mic and smashes JBL down who falls onto the table. Cena must have lost two clear pints of blood. He grabs the smoke stack off the truck. An actual fucking chimney, this is nuts. JBL grabs the mic and quits, just scared for his life. Wow. Cena runs with the chimney and smashes him through the glass Judgement Day sign anyway. Holy fucking shit, this match was nuts. Absolutely tremendous heel performance from JBL and an equally good babyface performance from Cena. This match was laid out and booked perfectly from start to finish. JBL was truly brutal and sick in the heat and pushed Cena to his total limits, the level of brutality and escalation of violence is something else. I thought this had absolutely everything: psychology is perfect. You have the mother of all heel beatdowns followed by the mother of all babyface comebacks. And JBL reverting to chickenshit heel mode towards the end was brilliant, of course he tries to escape, of course he quits before he can be hit with the massive steel fucking chimney. Phenomenal match and the best I've seen on these reviews so far. I believed the hatred and it did go beyond just wrestling and so, yes, it joins the pantheon. *****

The key thing you don't get is that NXT is explicitly "for you", the hardcore wrestling fan who might also watch ROH, while the main show isn't. Do you think Vince doesn't know how to book a show like 1986 Crockett? He would if he wanted to. He's not going for that demo. Hunter clearly has a remit to make an older-school type show. But Johnny is right: you should give up wanting WWE to be "like NXT", it's never going to be and it never was. If you can't see that NXT has been DELIBERATELY produced to define itself against the main show, then you can't see that you are being worked. You have exactly the views that they expect you to have.

Yes because it is what you are *meant* to think.

Re: Saito, Fuji really hasn't brought that team down much in 81 so far.

Steven, the weekend was won by Vince on two different levels. First, remember that he owns NXT, which is clearly designed to win over hardcores. And look at you drinking the koolaid. They sold out the arena in Brooklyn. It's money for Vince. He's getting your 10 bucks a month no matter what. Do you think he cares which show you like? Understand when you're being worked. Then he won on a second sense, because the mainstream media take away from the weekend was Stewart and the mainstream internet takeaway was the gif of Taker and Brock laughing. Job done. Promoter is gonna promote. Every audience covered and catered for.

Incidentally, after reviewing both recently, I'd probably take War Games over Bret vs Austin, WM 13, if forced to pick. Need to see that Joshi match still.

As countless reviews of mine can attest, this is demonstrably untrue. I don't know where you get this assumption from.

Sheamus vs. The Big Show (10/28/12) Commentary team seems to be Cole and JR. JBL is there too. It's occurred to me that there's a curious parallel between Michael Cole and Tony Schiavone. Of course, people's gut reaction would be to say "but Cole is nowhere near as good as Schiavone was". But Cole in 2015 is Schiavone in 2000. Hype package: Sheamus is the world champ here. He has been using the brogue kick and picking up a lot of wins with it. Until Big Show caught his leg. Big Show says his knock out punch is harder than Sheamus's kick. "I'm a giant" says Show. "Something something, I'm very pale and Irish", says Sheamus. I want to pause here to criticise one very small and specific thing that bugs me about the modern product: it's the intonation on the promos. Big Show says a line, and then he pauses. The break is always [pause] exactly in the middle. The intonation is [pause] exactly the same. And it doesn't matter who is delivering the promo, they all sound the same, same delivery, same break in the middle (a caesura poetry fans), same hard pause at the end of the sentence. When did they start doing that? I think HHH has always done it, but the entire roster does it now. Hate that delivery style. The setup for this match, punch vs. kick, is laughably simple. It's so pro wrestling I have to laugh. But hype package gets a 2/10. Random aside, in uni, an acquaintance of mine once claimed to have the hardest kick in the UK. A claim so ridiculous coming from him in his cockney accent that it made us laugh hard. He then wanted to prove that he had the hardest kick in Britain. Ha ha. Big Show overpowers Sheamus to start, and he's come to fight. This looks set to be a brawl. Dolph Ziggler is watching this. He has the briefcase. Sheamus with a block shot to Show's leg, but he bails. I am assuming Sheamus is the face here. He is on the attack now, some spirited clubbing blows, but Show cuts him off and dumps him. JBL doing a very good job on commentary getting the size and threat of the Giant over, especially the first time you ever face him. Sidewalk slam by him now. Headbutt. Steps in him. Sheamus looks stunned by the power of Big Show, they've done a good job of building the giant back up here by the looks of things. Throws him over the announce table. Elbow drop take down thing. He's giving Sheamus a hell of a pounding here. He keeps trying to come back and it's like hitting a brick wall. Walks into a kick by Show. His body has welts and bruises on it which the commentators talk about. Yeah but the thing is, Sheamus has that ginger skin, so I don't know if it counts. I reckon they bruise more easily. Sheamus tries another comeback. Bear hug by Big Show. Sheamus tries to punch his way out. Tries a slam. Buckles. Splash from the second rope by the giant, two only. He goes for the chokeslam, but Sheamus counters with a DDT. Cover gets two. Big Show does hit the chokeslam now. Cover gets two only! Misses an elbow. Sheamus goes for the cloverleaf. But can't get it on, and they go outside. Back in. Knee lift. Show goes down finally. Hits the White Noise. Two only! Goes for the kick. Show catches, hits the KO punch. Cover gets two! Show seems demoralised. He hooked the leg and everything. Goes for it again, misses. Brogue kick. Cover gets ... Two only! I actually thought that would be the finish. He goes for another kick and Show catches him with the punch! And that is three! Wow. New world champ. This is the sort of match you wish Show had worked his entire career, in terms of how it was booked, presented and wrestled. I feel like I can compare it fairly to Harley Race vs. Andre, another giant vs. World Champ match. And I give this one the edge, although this was a brawl and that was a more technical bout during which Andre showed more vulnerability vs. a heel champ, here Show was the heel. I thought they worked this perfectly. And this has to be a contender for Show's career match. You just wish that we hadn't seen him pinned and Angle Slammed a million times. But if you put that out of mind, this is the Big Show that could have been. A monster, too big, too powerful, too vicious for even a plucky and determined Irishman to overcome. Really good. ****1/2 The Hardy Boyz vs. MNM (12/3/06) It seems like at this point the Hardys had dropped the "Boyz" tag. Jeff was IC champ. This was from WWECW's December to Dismember. Refreshing lack of ladders for this one. Melina has nice hair. Joey Styles on commentary with Tazz. Bit of Mercury and Nitro working over Matt to start, before a double wheel barrow thing by the Hardys. Nitro misses a somersault which gives Jeff a chance to tag out. If Ventura was on commentary here, he'd be totally lambasting Nitro for trying that move when he was in total control. Absolutely stupid spot. Matt runs into an elbow. But then gets a sort of sit out crucifix power bomb from the top on Nitro. Nitro is up almost immediately if nothing happened. Absurd. Excessive. He barely sold it. Mercury is in. Tags in and out. Nitro is acting like he's fresh basically. Awful. That power bomb should have been a genuine high spot. It's almost like it was a transition into a FIP sequence. Melina screams. Hating this so far. Superman Nitro now pounds on Matt. They go for a double suplex but Matt counters with the double DDT. They kick Jeff off the apron, page out of Jumbo Tsuruta's playbook there. Poetry in motion on Matt by Mercury. Melina screams again. Matt gets the tag, Jeff with a Tito Santana flying burrito. Front powerbomb thing. Nothing in this match has any impact at all. Fans bust out an EC-dub chant. Nitro dives over the top rope onto Matt and Mecury outside. Jeff now dives from the top rope onto everyone. Twist of fate by Matt. Swanton by Jeff but it misses. Superman Nitro still looks like he's just started the match. You wouldn't know that literally 1 minute before this he took Jeff Hardy coming off the top to the outside. Double catapult on Jeff. Mercury similarly seems fresh, that twist of fate from mere seconds ago? Distant memory. This is an appalling style which I wish never had existed. Melina screams some more to pour more pain onto my misery. Nitro dumps Jeff under the bottom rope. Melina sneaks in with a kick. Mercury in. Leg drop. Mercury attacks the kidney area of Jeff. Superman Nitro with an elbow over the top rope onto Jeff who is across Mercury's knee, cool double team spot. Reverse chinlock. They try another double catapult but he springs back off the turnbuckle like Vega out of Street Fighter 2. Matt in with clotheslines and some slams and things. Lacked real fire to be honest. Leg drop from the top on Nitro. Cover gets two. Some other stuff happens but it results in stereo superplexes by the Hardys. Melina gets on the apron. Tries to slap Jeff, who blocks. Nitro accidentally gives her a massive drop kick! Snapshot on Jeff, but Matt saves the cover. Nitro and Mecury still seem like they have been through absolutely nothing. These two are the worst, like the fucking pits of heel tag teams. They put Jeff on the top rope. They try a super snapshot. Double bulldog by Matt to save. Swanton by Jeff. That's it thank god. This was awful. Just the worst crap. I hate this style. No move has any impact at any time, with the sole exception of Jeff missing the swanton the first time. Mecury and Nitro sold basically nothing in this match. Moves register for a split second (the bump) and then they are forgotten about. What's the point of doing all the huge spots if they mean nothing? Just awful. I hated this. Worst match I've sat through so far. *1/2 Let's call it a night.

Brock Lesnar vs. Rey Mysterio (12/11/03) This is from Smackdown. I have to say, I've preferred Cole / Tazz to JR / Lawler so far during these reviews. Brock mocks Rey's size to start. Cat and mouse. Rey is trying to wear Brock down. Psychological game. This encounter defines size vs speed doesn't it. Brock grabs the steps and Rey sneaks in with a baseball slide. But Brock catches him now and nails him against the post. But he manages to come back with various ariel moves from the top to the outside. Back in, and Brock catches Rey, gives him two backbreakers and up for the F5, which knocks the ref a bit. Brock goes for a cheap low blow. Ha ha. Nice bit of rule breaking. Elbow drop. And again. Seems like someone in the crowd is chanting "boring" which gives me the idea that Brock wasn't over with a (vocal) section of the smart crowd in 03-04? Two matches in a row now. Clothesline takes Rey out. Then he dumps him. Some decent heel heat for Brock here. Rey comes back a bit. 619 round the post! Cover gets two only, but that was close. Flying body scissors. Another couple of nearfalls. Hot ones. Springboard but Brock catches him and hits a power bomb. Brock lock submission thing. And Rey taps out. Decent little man vs. monster TV match, with Rey disrupting Brock's flow and denying him the extended heat sequence and big impact moves you'd expect of this matchup. And it had you believing for a moment that Rey might get the upset. I still don't find myself rooting for him much, and can't get behind offense that is the wrestling equivalent of fireworks and confetti -- it's just not my thing, y'know. But this was enjoyable enough. *** Eddie Guerrero and Rey Mysterio vs. The Bashams (2/20/05) This is from No Way Out and was the opener of that show. Yes! Cole and Tazz in the booth. Rey and Eddie come out separately. Eddie is driving a convertible. I'm not a car guy, so don't ask me. But it's an American style one. Cars always seem more box-y in the states, you guys like the big grills. The Bashams were JBL's secretaries of defense, apparently. I was probably somewhere in Oxford eating cheese and drinking port in February 2005 and this is a period where I wasn't watching, although I did catch the Rey feud in the summer before Eddie died. I didn't finally tap out until the DX comeback in 2006, which was the last straw for me. Whatever happened to the Bashams anyway? We settle into a FIP sequence on Eddie. Rey comes in and immediately becomes the new FIP. I think it makes more sense this way around. One of the Bashams does a full nelson. I am always like "wtf!" when anyone does the full nelson. It seemed antiquated even in 70s matches. Marty, if you are reading this, Hercules did the full nelson as a finisher. By the way, "I've never seen a Hercules match"? Lol, gtfo! The Bashams like to stomp. Double hot shot. Blatant choke. Decent heat sequence this. Tags in and out. Rey lands a moonsault though, just a hope spot. Ha ha, ridiculous that a moonsault would be a hope spot. Whatever economic wrestling is, Rey is the exact opposite of that. Eddie is getting frustrated as the Bashams have cut this ring off. Can't mess up this time honoured structure. Doug in. I won't pretend to know who is who. Cover gets two, Eddie with the save. Extremely elaborate sequence now which sees Rey crawl under one Basham, leap frog another, twice, forward roll and a dive to Eddie. One of the most ridiculous hot tags of all time right there. Clotheslines. Backdrop. Drop kick. Headscissors and arm drag from the top, for two in one. Is all this necessary? I might actually be against "innovation" of this nature. It seems silly to me. Makes a farce out of the match to me. Rey and Eddie talk about something now. Eddie jumps off the top and lies down pretending to be knocked out. Crowd actually laugh. Small package almost gets three. That was better innovation. Rey tosses a tag belt to Eddie who tosses it to Doug which the ref sees and confiscates and as he does so Rey passes him the other tag belt for a cheap shot. Ha ha. That was a fun finish. They won the belts! This was a bit of a throwaway match that had a throwaway feel, despite being for the tag titles. It works as a match that is building their relationship for an eventual feud that you can see coming a mile off. However, as much as I liked the finish, there was too much silliness in this match in general. People know I'm not a lucha guy, it's this sort of cutesy choreographed stuff that I don't dig at all, and this match had a lot of it. A moonsault as a hope spot ... "Are you kidding me Conrad?" One thing I've noticed watching Eddie in these matches is that while he's good at basically everything, I don't think he's the best house of fire, he just doesn't fire up that well, which is ironic considering his gimmick. I'm sure people will disagree with me on that, but as an example, his clotheslines after the (totally ridiculous) hot tag in this match were lukewarm. Not enough fire. It's stuff like that which can make you appreciate a Rick Martel who is just so fantastic at that sort of thing. Eddie not in that league in the fire stakes. This was enjoyable, despite the gratuitous excesses of Rey's style. ***1/2 Eddie Guerrero and Tajiri vs. Team Angle [Charlie Haas and Shelton Benjamin] (5/29/03) This is from Smackdown. I think a week after these guys Guerrero and Tajiri won the titles from Team Angle. I always thought it was a bit confusing how Kurt Angle wasn't actually part of Team Angle. He didn't even come out with them. One of those things that would have made sense in storyline at the time, but seems bizarre now. You Suck chants in full effect with Angle's theme here. Eddie drives out in a low rider pick up truck thing with the hiccups. Tajiri is laughing. In commentary, they keep on hyping the fact that Vince has got a lie detector test and is going to prove once and for all that Mr. America is Hulk Hogan. Eddie and Tajiri work over Benjamin some before a double kick spot leaves both him and Tajiri down. We go to a break, but weirdly, this footage stays on and we hear Cole take a call from JR off air before coming back. Ha ha. Haas in and works Tajiri's leg. Tags in and out and this heat sequence is surprisingly old school, just focused matwork on the leg. Good psychology too, since Tajiri is known for his kicking ability. Once again, Eddie strangely mechanical and lacking in fire on the hot tag. Lovely execution on the moves though. Back suplex. Monkey flip. Triple suplex on Haas. Frog splash and Benjimin makes the save. Savate kick by him and a very nearfall on Eddie, but Tajiri out of nowhere with the save. Eddie counters a double team attempt with a double DDT. He has looked like superman during this comeback. Tajiri in still selling that injured leg. Inzaguri. Haas counters a tornado DDT with a bridging suplex. Eddie with the save from the pin attempt. Third hot nearfall. Super kick by Tajiri. Eddie goes up top and takes out Benjimin on the outside. Tajiri misses another kick on Haas and ... Haas of Pain! Tajiri taps, and Haas celebrates but ref says no. What's this? Ref says he didn't say to ring the bell. Eddie sneaks in with a tag belt. Tug of war with Haas, who ends up with the belt. Eddie plays dead, ref turns around and DQs Haas. Another ingenious finish. Especially when you realise that Eddie must have sneaked around and rung the bell in the first place. Lie. Cheat. Steal. Beyond the fun and inventive finish, this was also a really solid match built around a leg injury to Tajiri with some solid, no frills work from Team Angle. Although Eddie's hot tag lacks fire, I think he made up for it with sheer crispness of execution, and it helps when he's giving suplexes to a guy like Haas who is so athletic. They just look great. Very very good TV tag match. ***3/4

Eddie Guerrero vs. John Bradshaw Layfield (5/16/04) A rather useful hype package before this one. JBL was built well, I remember watching this. He attacked Eddie's mother, a 76 year old woman. Heel heat, it is possible. Cole and Tazz on commentary. JBL cuts a xenophobic promo before the match. Promises to make Eddie's mother his new maid. Asshole! Heel heat, it is possible. This wasn't 1984 it was 2004. I don't believe the fan in 2014 is any different from the fan in 2004. Anyway, that's an aside. Eddie is obviously super pissed to start and is a house of fire. Assault including postings and a Spanish announce table spot. JBL tries to leave and Eddie chases with a double ax-handle. Nose swivel stomp, shades of Backlund there, who always did that spot. JBL manages to reverse an Irish whip into the steps to change the momentum. That's called a transition. Table. Rolls him back in. Big boot. Side headlock takedown and we have a headlock. Tazz with some good colour analysis of this headlock talking about weight distribution, simple stuff they never seem to talk about now. Incidentally, this headlock is the definition of a rest hold. Arm drag by Eddie, a second. Crossbody over apron, but JBL catches him and hits a fall away slam on the outside. Couple of chops by Eddie, and a weird spot where he ran at JBL to take a backdrop on the table. Too much choreography for me that spot, what was Eddie going for? Back in the ring and JBL hits a neckbreaker. Cover gets two. Back drop. Another near fall. Bear hug by JBL. Terrible one too. Eddie goes to the eyes. Fires up. Drop kick. First suplex. Second suplex. But Bradshaw gets the knee in. Misses the lariat. Goes for a powerbombs, but Eddie fights down. Ref bump. JBL gets backdropped over the top. Head slammed on the announce table. JBL has a chair and nails Eddie and Jesus he gets a real gusher here. Wow, that's some bleeding. It might a top 10 juice job this. Wow, one of those times I wonder if it's hardway. The blood is in his eyes. Crowd has a "holy shit" chant. Steel steps by JBL. Bang. Ref still down, JBL raises his hands to loud boos. Ring covered in blood, Eddie covered in blood. Lariat! They call that the clothesline from hell. Ref still out. A second ref runs out. It's the blonde one who reffed Taker vs. Brock recently. Cover. Two only! I have to say, I saw that kick out coming, lol. Crowd popped though. Second ref bump. This bleeding is insane. Powrebomb! First ref wakes up, cover gets ... Two only! JBL in disbelief. Another cover. Two only! Sleeper! Makes sense because of the blood loss. Back suplex counter by Eddie! Jesus this is insane blood. The most Crimson mask. He fires up again. Latino heat. Ducks the clothesline. JBL catches the crossbody, but Eddie counters into a DDT. He struggles his way to the top rope. Misses the frog splash. JBL rolls out of the ring and grabs the title and a chair. Throws the chair in the ring. Goes to hit Eddie with the belt, low blow by Eddie. Hits JBL with the belt for the instant DQ. And now post-match he beats on JBL for some great payback in which JBL bleeds bright red as well. The big story of this match is the juice job by Eddie, which is insane and at all-time level. However, I don't think that can cover up what is a fairly rudimentary match with lack lustre heat sequences by JBL that felt like watching Billy Graham or Jesse Ventura at times, that bear hug especially. The match does tell a compelling story and the near falls are effective. Eddie plays a great fired up face (though not quite Rick Martel levels), and the crowd were into this, but I did think JBL brought it down a bit. About on par with the best of the Terry Funk vs. Abdullah the Butcher matches I've seen recently. ***1/2 Triple H vs. Chris Jericho (7/23/00) HHH got a stink face from Rikishi, Stephanie made a lot of faces. HHH wants Jericho's ass, he keeps saying it. Jericho ate a sledgehammer. Mick Foley had a bad hair day. Jericho kissed Steph. Rating for hype segment: 0/10, lol. I am tempted to fast forward past HHH's entrance, but I am appeasing calls for "context". He spits some water over his own head, Steph seems to have found an old Virgil waistcoat in storage. JR is on commentary and he tells us that this is only the second last man standing match in WWF history. Lawler is there too, unfortunately. Jericho has his waist bandaged up here from the sledgehammer attack. Jericho on top to start. Hits multiple clotheslines. A drop kick. A springboard drop kick sending HHH to the outside. Top of the announce table. Brawling outside now. HHH takes over, knee to the face. Dumps him. But outside Trips eats some steps before throwing Jericho on the barrier. I miss the railings. Triple H is focusing on the mid-section naturally and rips off some of the bandage. Works on this for some minutes now. Perfectly decent psychology. Steph sneaks over for a slap. Right in the kisser. Suplex outside by Hunter. Kisses Steph. Abdominal stretch. Lays in shots while he does it. HHH takes a leaf out of Flair's book and shoves the ref, who shoves him back. He does sell it with a bump though. Knee to the ribs, DDT. This assault on the midsection has made perfect sense, and it's been perfectly solid, so why am I so bored? Body scissors by HHH now. Stephanie makes a lot of faces at ringside. She was more minx-like at this time. Still would (sorry feminists). While we're waiting for Jericho to get to his feet, I can feel the time passing like a glacier. Pedigree! HHH jaws as Jericho now. He sits up on the turnbuckle now arrogantly. So why don't I feel like this is great heel work? Again, there's this glacial quality, that I only see to find with HHH matches: his one with Brock in 2014 had something of this. Jericho is up at nine again. Triple H grabs a chair and smashes him. Pedigree on the chair? No, low blow by Jericho! He can barely get to his feet. Chair shot. HHH is busted open. True crimson mask. Jericho makes a comeback proper now. Still selling the ribs. Missile drop kick. Bulldog onto the chair! The red is flowing. Throws HHH out of the ring, a Flair bump over the turnbuckle. HHH manages to throw Jericho into the steps. Goes for the pedigree on the steps. Backdrop reversal. They both grab monitors from the announce table and nail each other. Double count going. Both make it up at nine. Walls of Jericho! Steph in. He does it to her too! HHH nails him. This match needs to end soon, running out of patience. Sledgehammer. He misses and nails the post. Sling shot into the post. Jericho nails HHH with the sledgehammer. Lays him on the announce table. HHH gets up though and back suplexes Jericho through the table. Count going again. HHH barely makes it up by ten. Oh right, heel goes over clean. I couldn't get into this at all. It never actively sucked, but I found that it was just sort of there, drifting, time passing. A lot of this I blame on HHH, although Jericho must take some of the blame by not putting on a particularly compelling injured babyface performance. This is a spot where you'd long for a Steamboat or Savage, who could really milk that injury. Jericho didn't get it over enough for me. If I was sitting in the "bleachers", I wouldn't know he was in agony. In short, performance just not big enough to get over the beating he took. Which brings me to HHH, who worked a logical match which was basically one long heat sequence. The trouble is that he's just not good enough as a heel to keep that sequence compelling. I could name about 20 guys you could slot into this match to work in the same role that would have made that stuff interesting. Here, it drifted. Blood cannot save what is a monumentally boring match in places. The counts on Jericho were so dull. The double counts lacked any sort of genuine emotion. I can't get behind a match like this, with its manufactured drama and sort of statue-like work. Very disappointing, because I remember watching the live broadcast in 2000 and enjoying it. But fifteen years later, I never want to watch this match again as long as I live. Really really bad. Surprised me in just how poor it was. Bored me to tears. ** Randy Orton vs. Mick Foley (4/18/04) Orton was IC champ here. Hype package has Orton calling Mick fat and disgusting and over the hill. I'm actually surprised, Orton's character work is decent here. He calls Foley his "bitch". Hot promos back and forth. This hype package gets at least a 7/10. Foley has been studying his tapes. Clips of Foley vs. Funk, vs. Abby, vs. various Japanese types. Final rating for that hype package: 10/10. Brilliant. This is falls count anywhere, Foley comes out with the barbed wire bat. Trash can involved soon enough. He's Cactus Jack tonight by the way. Foley is at 272lbs tonight, by the way, JR tells that's his lowest weight since 1989. Neckbreaker outside. All Foley so far. Back suplex by Orton on the ramp. Slams his head on the ramp. Couple of near falls. Uppercut by Orton. He grabs Barbie and tries to mash it in Foley's face, but he blocks. Clothesline by him now. Socko comes out. He spots Barbie. Asks the crowd which one they'd prefer. The bat, obviously. Orton has a gusher immediately. Elbow drop with the bat. Fist to the face. And again. Great working punches here by Foley, people don't talk about his punching much. Goes back to Barbie. Presses it to Orton's forehead. And again. Ouch. Rips his t-shirt off. Lays Barbie in between his legs and leg drops him on it! Wow, that's brutal. Foley in his element here. He goes looking for weapons. Gasoline can! He douses Barbie in the gasoline. Surely not?! Eric Bischoff walks out and he has a mic. He demands that Foley stop this, says that not only will he lose the match but the Fire Marshall will shut down the building and send the fans home. He doesn't do it. Bischoff sucks chant. Instead, Foley uses a tray of some sort on Orton's head. Back to under the ring. Barbed wire board! It's like a bed of barbed wire. Pushes it into the ring. Orton with a leaf out of the Mr Fuji playbook! Powder! And body slams Foley onto the barbed wire. Holy shit chant naturally. Orton grabs the barbed wire board and sets it up in the corner. Irish whip? Foley resists. Double reversal and Foley takes it! He's bleeding from underneath the t-shirt. Orton throws the board down on top of him. Orton goes into his cardboard box and takes out a bag. What is that? Thumb tacks! He pours them over the ring. Goes for the RKO but Foley counters and Orton takes a huge amount of tacks right in the back. Shit. Cover gets, two only! Wow. They are stuck in his hand and he's trying to prise them off. He seems genuinely perturbed. Foley goes after him. They go to the back. Lawler: "I've just witnessed the passion of Randy Orton" -- one great call in over twenty years of horrendous commentary! They come out though and Foley throws Orton off the stage and onto a table or board or something. Massive bump, Orton still covered in thumb tacks. Foley with the bang bangs. JR has seen enough and thinks this has gotten out of hand. EMTs are out to check on Orton. And then ... Elbow drop from the stage onto Orton! Huge spot. I have to admit they are really pushing the envelope with this one, insane match. Cover, and barely barely, Orton gets a shoulder up. Foley jaws with the ref. Is he subtly turning heel during the course of this match? Lays Orton on the ramp. We get a smattering of EC-dub chants. Double arm DDT back in the ring. Cover gets, two only! Orton grabs Barbie. A couple of shots, but Foley slips on socko and nails the mandible claw! Low blow by Orton! Foley bleeding a lot in the face now too. RKO! Orton has dried blood on his face. Cover gets, two only! RKO on Barbie! And yes, that's three. Holy crap. This was a a real war with some legit shocking spots that you wonder how they ever happened in a WWE ring. There was a wonderful narrative running through this: on the one hand, it's Foley doing Al Pacino in Godfather Part III: It's the old thief brought in for one last caper, it's the retired cop coming back for one last case. It's the old gun slinger taking out one last piece of trash before he calls it a day. It worked perfectly for this because it gave a 100% logical pretext for all of the weapons in the match, and why they were there. Foley going to that dark sadistic part of himself and pulling all of his old tricks out of the bag. But that story had a mirror in Orton: the young punk, arrogant kid who thinks he knows it all already, but who is going to get what is coming to him. And during the process of the match: he grows up. He learns some vital life lessons, he gets shown what pain really is, and it pushes him to go deeper into his own well. I thought that worked absolutely tremendously. And now I think about some matches I've given five stars to: Funks vs. Abby and Sheik 78, Patterson vs. Slaughter alley fight, Slaughter vs. Iron Sheik, Magnum vs. Tully. That's my pantheon of blood feud, blood bath pay off matches. And this just, just falls short. And I'll tell you why: because as compelling as Foley's and Orton's stories are, they remain separate in this. Foley represents something in Orton's story; Orton represents something in Foley's, but it's not ... So personal, so heated, so intense that they go to that point where I can feel the depths of their souls. It's an intangible, and this match has holy shit spots beyond anything any of the ones I've listed can offer, but it lacks that one quality that would send it next level. I do think though, it is a special match and one of the best of its type that I've seen. And I say this as someone who has never cared much for Foley and who probably dislikes Orton more than anyone else on the board. ****3/4

Loved the Jim Barnett stuff in this show, he's such a fascinating figure.

I won't encourage OJ to watch Funks vs. Baba and Jumbo, but I will point others to them, you can see my ratings here: Dory Funk Jr. and Terry Funk vs. Giant Baba and Tomomi Tsuruta (10/09/73) ***3/4 Dory Funk Jr. and Terry Funk vs. Giant Baba and Jumbo Tsuruta (03/13/75) ****3/4 Dory Funk Jr. and Terry Funk vs. Giant Baba and Jumbo Tsuruta (12/14/77) **** Dory Funk Jr. and Terry Funk vs. Giant Baba and Jumbo Tsuruta (12/15/78) ****1/2 Dory Funk Jr. and Terry Funk vs. Giant Baba and Jumbo Tsuruta (11/30/79) ****1/2 Dory Funk Jr. and Terry Funk vs. Giant Baba and Jumbo Tsuruta (12/11/80) *** Dory Funk Jr. and Terry Funk vs. Giant Baba and Jumbo Tsuruta (12/8/81) ***1/2 75 match is about 30 minutes and you can watch as a stand alone. And it would be my text book example of how to work a near-perfect 2/3 fall tag match. It's also the sort of match that makes me think of something like Bret vs. Austin from Survivor Series as being entirely unremarkable in terms of building towards an escalation of violence, because that tag match does it better in almost every way. Of these most go 30 mins, but the 81 match is too long at around 45. In terms of later All Japan, I suppose people already know some of the great longer tags. I don't see any correlation at all between tag matches and match length. 30 minutes is often a sweet spot for me. 45-60 is "long" and there is a certain art of working to that length, but I think that's a different thread. 30 minutes for a tag is perfectly fine though. Anyone else disagree?

Pass

You're talking about Austin vs Angle here right? I thought I gave it a fair shake no? I even watched the hype package.

My old mate just posted the Stewart-Cena-Flair deal on my FB. Creative didn't really give Flair anything to do in that segment, it was weird. He was just out there as a warm body seemingly.

Any idea what was wrong with the crowd?

Maybe, but I wonder if we're coming at this from two different angles. I've been immersed in 70s wrestling for the past year and have seen a hell of a lot of Backlund MSG matches that I'd put over that one. I just ... Well, didn't think the work they did was very engaging. It just felt like any match to me, rather than a great one. In the context of watching every other WWF match from 96 it might feel like this old school masterpiece, but in the context of watching a lot of old school masterpieces, it felt like just a match. I dunno? But it fell very flat for me and was easily the worst Austin performance I saw tonight. Bret seemed bored to me as well.

It's been a long time since I watched late 90s stuff; to be exact: I haven't watched it since the late 90s. In this thread, I'm going to review pimped matches from that era, (but not All Japan). I will probably range into 00s and 10s too. This is going to be my catch-all thread for guys I'm not deep diving on for GWE but who I need a refresher on. Expect to see the Eddies and the Benoits, the Austins and the Reys, etc. I can no longer trust my late teenage self. And I certainly can't trust my early 20s self who thought Kurt Angle was the best worker since Flair. Move over Jack Brisco; say goodbye for a while Dory; JvK is heading into the attitude era and beyond... Bret Hart vs. Stone Cold Steve Austin (11/17/96) Weird, Vince and JR together on commentary. The network has blurred out the middle fingers. Ha ha. Austin looks very lean here. MSG hasn't changed too much. Hart works the arm to start, mainly using a hammerlock. Pretty 70s style so far. Austin starts to focus on the neck, using the bottom rope. Still pretty 70s style. Very slow and methodical. Snapmare. Reverse chinlock. Knee drops on the neck area. I should pause here to mention that this chinlock isn't very good. Austin is just laying there, Bret isn't doing much to sell it. Slugfest breaks out. Austin comes out on top. Inverted atomic drop, clothesline from Bret. Side Russian leg sweep. Cover gets two. Didn't hook the leg. Austin cuts him off. Vince busts out his first "unbelievable". For some reason I've found JR very annoying so far in this match, can't put my finger on why. Austin tries a suplerplex, doesn't get it. Bret with elbow from the top. Goes for a backbreaker or a sidewalk slam, and Austin goes to the eyes. Dumps him. Clubbing blows by Austin. Posts him. This MSG crowd has been really muted so far. Over the railings. Bret stomps Autin in the crowd. Face first into the railings. Austin with a slingshot into the Spanish announce table. Vince with his second "unbelievable". Still waiting for this to pick up to be honest. Slam on the table. Elbow from the apron. Just no atmosphere at MSG. A smattering of "let's go Bret". Elbow from second rope. Vince with his first "he got him!" on a nearfall, fake as hell, ha ha. Abdominal stretch from Austin. Honestly, I've found this a snoozefest so far. Slugfest, Bret only ever going to come out on top of that one. Stungun! Cover for two. Piledriver. Cover gets two. Backbreaker. Goes to the top. Austin knocks him down. Flair chops. Crowd woos, wow, even in 96 they did that. Superplex! Third "unbelievable" from Vince and a "what a manoeuvre!" Couple more nearfalls, including a stunner. Austin can't put him away. Texas Cloverleaf! Innovated by Dory Funk Jr of course. Bret makes it to the ropes. Hot stretch there. Bret into the ring post. Cover gets two for Austin. Bret goes for the sharpshooter. Sleeper! Jawbreaker by Austin. Million Dollar Dream! But Bret flips it over into a pin. He never did that to Ted! Bret wins. Fourth "unbelievable" from Vince. Really this didn't grab me AT ALL. It just felt like "a match". The early going was lacking in heat and intensity. The matwork was dull. Bret was really plodding in this match and I thought Austin's punching in particular was surprisingly poor. The stretch into the Texas cloverleaf was hot, and so was the finish, but I'm sorry to anyone who really really rates this, I just didn't think the psychology or work was there. What was the point of the early armwork that led nowhere? Why did they briefly transition to Bret's leg being injured and then to the ribs when it was the neck Austin had been going for the whole match? Just didn't have a lot of flow to me, and the crowd seemed lukewarm throughout, which didn't help. Very disappointing. *** Bret Hart vs. Stone Cold Steve Austin (3/23/97) Vince and Lawler this time, oh JR is there too. Austin goes for the Stan Hansen jump start. Brawling to start already. Bret Irish whips Austin into the post, and man it hit with velocity. Austin dumps him over the railings. Smashes his head onto the railings, they are right in the crowd now. Lawler is very high pitched, I forgot about that. Ken Shamrock is ref, this is no DQ, "I Quit" rules. They brawl right in front of a guy wearing an NWO t-shirt, ha ha. Back over the railings, Bret jumps from the railing onto Austin. Irish whip from Austin into the steps, and man that hit with velocity. Double middle fingers, and this time it doesn't get blurred. This has been super heated so far. Being worked like a true blood feud. Finally back in the ring. Swinging neckbreaker by Bret. Elbow from the second rope. Hamstring snap. Another page out of the Dory Jr playbook. Another one after a punch to the knee. He's focusing on that leg now. Great work by Bret here. Austin's selling of the leg is really very good too. Figure four on the post. Crowd really loses their shit for this. Hot Chi-town crowd. Bret goes and gets the ring bell. And a chair. He puts the chair on the ankle. Crowd is losing it. Austin grabs the chair and lays Bret out. Another chair shot and a beauty. Body slam. Suplex and a nice one. Elbow from top. Kick to the bread basket. Side Russian legsweep. Modified arm thing now that works the neck. Stu Hart doesn't look happy. Boston crab. Great camera close up on Bret. Austin goes for the sharpshooter! Doesn't get it. Lawler is just the absolute worst colour guy, the total pits. He's so annoying here. Austin dumps Bret. JR has been annoying here too, wish they'd go away and let Vince call this solo. Action goes outside and Austin has been busted open. Bleeding very badly from impact onto railings. Post shot. This has been really good stuff. Back in the ring. Austin is gushing badly. Bret attacks the cut. Backbreaker! Elbow from second rope. Chair, and he attacks the leg with it. And again. Bret is a sick man! Sharpshooter! No. Austin goes to the eyes. Ring covered with Austin's blood. Bret pounds on him some more. Low blow by Austin. Comeback by him one. Foothole stomps. Jawing. Superplex! Austin is bleeding so much here. Austin goes and grabs the mic chord! It's an electrical extension chord. He chokes Bret with it. The ring bell! Bret whacks him with it. Sharpshooter! He's got it! Austin won't say it. The visual of this is incredible. He's bleeding so much. Agony on his face. Looks like he's broken it but Bret syncs it in harder. Austin passes out and Shamrock calls it. Bret with a few cheap shots after he match and Shamrock attacks him. Face off and Bret leaves to loud boos. Great heel work and psychology. Wow, this match has lost none of its power, it's super hot from start to finish. All-great great finish and visuals. Bret was fantastic on top and relentless in the attack. But what an incredible performance from Austin working from underneath. His selling was fantastic. Really is a fantastic match and one of the best in WWF history. ***** Eddy Guerrero vs. Rey Mysterio Jr (10/26/97) Seems like there are four people on commentary here: Schiavone, Heenan, Tenay and Dusty. Tenay immediately annoying. Rey is dressed like a purple Riddler in a mask. Flip by Rey into a back suplex by Eddie. Vertical suplex and a beauty. Tilt a whirl backbreaker. Cover gets two. Meat offensive stretch by Gurrerro. Abdominal stretch. Goes for the mask a bit. Tenay needs to fuck off and soon, I bet the Meltzer boys loved him, I couldn't hate him more. Back flip from the top rope into a DDT by Rey. What a spot! Drop kick by Eddie to knock Rey outside. Eddie is still holding his head after the DDT, hooray for long term selling. Rick Rude camel clutch by Eddie. Rips the mask a bit. Tenay, literally I couldn't give a flying shit about Eddie's history as the Black Tiger, stfu already you nerdy whiny twat! This shit isn't getting anything over to me, it's just annoying. He needs to piss off as soon as possible. I think Heenan might feel the same. Some chops by Eddie. Rey from the top with a plancha. Great clothesline to cut off flippy floppy shit from Rey by Eddie. Head scissor thing to the outside by Rey. From the top headscissors after a somersault by Rey. Corkscrew moonsault thing by Rey. I've never really been into this flashy stuff, it's not my thing. Eddie gets his knees up and then just powerbombs the fuck out of Rey. See that's more like it! Powerbomb mutha fucker! Spinwheel kick by Rey. Goes for the springboard hurricanrana and Eddie turns it into a backbreaker. Some great counters in this match by Eddie. Gurrerro goes for a crucifix from the top but Rey turns it into a Frankensteiner for three. Eddie dumps Rey after the match, but no beatdown. Honestly, I hated Rey in this match. Eddie is working this intense sick blood feud, with every single move hitting maximum intensity with hatred. Rey was working some flip flop exhibition shit. Everything Eddie did in this match was incredible. And Rey is a great Ricky Morton for him to throw around and do cool high end offense on, but every single bit of Rey offense in this match was too much for the match Eddie seemed to be wanting to work. Tenay probably contributed to me not enjoying this too, but what this made me long for was Eddie vs. someone else. I've never been high on Rey because I've never been big on high flying, but he was way way OTT here even by his standards. Less is more sometimes. Man, I forgot how brilliant Gurrerro is though and I'm exited to explore one of my favourite wrestlers again. I can see him rocket up my GWE on this refresher course. ***3/4 Eddie Guerrero vs. Brock Lesnar (2/15/04) Cow Palace, No Way Out. The younger Brock is more punk-like and petulant than his current incarnation. Eddie in Latino Heat mode, babyface. Release German suplex by Brock. Knee to the gut. Cole and Tazz in the booth. Honestly, I'd take these guys over Lawler or Tenay. Brock catches Eddie going for something and spins him around in the powrebomb position. Belly to belly. Asshole crowd with boring chants. Why? Dicks. It isn't boring. Knee to the jaw by Brock. Lesnar's legs look bigger when he's wearing actual wrestling tights rather than shorts. Eddie has taken a pounding so far. Running knee by Brock to knock Eddie back off the apron. Bock would call this king of the mountain. Eddie tries to drag Brock's leg to the post and smashes it. Good tactics, take out a wheel, keep the big man grounded. But Brock kicks him into the post so he hurts his shoulder. Samoan drop from a fisherman suplex position, don't know proper name. Body scissors by Brock and a near naked choke. Jawbreaker by Eddie. Momentarily stuns the monster. Brock goes for a gorilla press. Eddie hits a low drop kick to the knee. Huge clothesline by Brock cuts off the comeback. German suplex. Some section of the crowd are jeering for some reason, hey smart fans, how about stfu and learn what wrestling is. Shoulder barges into Eddie's back. Now into the rib cage. Flying knee into the turnbuckle and Eddie ducks it. Third big impact move on Lesnar's knee. This is some neat psychology here. And that was a huge bump for Brock to take, a man his size. Another low drop kick by Eddie. Almost a baseball slide. Cool as hell move. Suplex by Eddie. Hot shot by Brock. Cover gets two for Brock. Lesnar jaws Eddie, but he sneaks into the STF. Attacking that injured knee. Smashes the knee into the mat. Eddie attacks it some more. Figure four! No, kicks him off. And again. And a third time. Great teasing of this figure four, but Brock hits a belly to belly. Another low drop kick by Eddie. And now the figure four! Brock tried to drag himself and Eddie to the ropes. Gets there eventually, but he was in the hold a long time. This crowd is the fucking worst by the way. Shame on you Cow Palace, awful. Eddie just stays on this leg. Talk about a game plan. Modified half crab. STF. Tazz tells us that stands for Stepover Toehold Facelock. I didn't know that! Spinebuster by Brock! Cover gets two, and that was close! Some struggle now results in a Brock getting a face full of second turnbuckle. Eddie misses a missile drop kick. Huge suplex by Brock, but he sells the leg while he does it. His nose is bloodied. Asshole fans still jeering and shouting "boring", what the hell?! Those guys need to die and never go to another wrestling show. Brock is frustrated and wants Eddie to "just die", it's that section of the crowd who need to. Modified gutwrench suplex by Brock. Series of pin attempts by Brock. I can't work out why this great match is dying in front of this crowd. Headbutt by Eddie. Two more. Low drop kick to knee. Another to the head. Headscissors. Brock cuts him off but misses a splash in the corner. Suplex by Eddie. A second one. The triple! Crowd finally pops for Eddie big, Jesus Christ about time they did. Misses the frog splash. F5 but it knocks the ref out! Cover but ref is out. This has been a long match. Brock grabs the belt. Aw, the lovely old school WWF title. Goldberg! Oh, now the crowd wakes up. Bunch of dicks. Of course, Brock eats a spear. Both guys out, ref still out. Now we get a big Eddie chant. Cover. Ref comes over. Two only! Oh my. Eddie grabs the title. Waits for Brock to get up. He ducks it. F5! No. Eddie reverses it into a DDT onto the belt. Eddie goes up top. Frog splash! 1, 2, 3! And he's the new champ! Wow, what a marathon this was. Tremendous psychology of monster upstart vs. wily veteran. Eddie's focus on the knee throughout was classic old school work. The finish took so long to come and perhaps that was a product of the times, I could have done without the ref bump or Goldberg, but it was still a couple of good fake out false finishes. Kind of a mixed bag this match, told a great story, but the crowd just wasn't into it for long portions for no reason that I can see and they never quite woke up until Goldberg came out. Very good match though. ****1/2 Chris Benoit vs. William Regal (7/12/05) This is from, of all places, Velocity. I believe Josh Matthews on commentary with Steve Romero. They are hyping Muhammed Hasan vs. Undertaker for Great American Bash. God. Test of strength spot in the Greco Roman Knuckle lock presently. Kip up by Regal. Headbutt by Benoit. Oh nasty one, and Regal is bleeding. Was that hardway? Dragon suplex by Benoit. Oh Regal is cut nasty. Regal did a really cool block to the full nelson by grabbing his own leg shortly before that. German suplex by Benoit. Regal with some very stuff elbows trying to escape before that. Series of nearfalls now as Regal tries to put Benoit away. Regal stretch! No, he can't quite get it. Chickenwing by Regal. Surfboard? From a seated position yes. And now he chokes him on top of it. That was a superb bit of matwork. Back from break and a backslide from Regal. Sharpshooter by Benoit! Regal goes for the ropes. Benoit drags him into the middle. Regal still not tapping and makes the ropes. He's bleeding and desperate. Snapmare. Cover gets two. Regal goes for a butterfly suplex, but Benoit flapjacks it, but Regal holds on to the arms to prevent the counter, so smart. Regal finally hits the butterfly suplex. Another page out of the Dory Jr playbook. Drop kick by Regal. Tombstone? No, Benoiit reverses. Shoulder breaker. Crossface? Yes. Regal taps. Hot hot TV match, especially for velocity. Some tremendous psychology from both and Regal's counters throughout were super smart. I dug this a good bit. Matthews calls it an instant five star classic, wouldn't go that far, but it's good. **** Chris Benoit vs. William Regal (5/25/00) I have never seen this match, Josh Matthews mentioned it on commentary. It's from the Brian Pillman Memorial Show 2000. Regal almost works this World of Sport style to start with hand work and takeovers. Greco Roman Knuckle lock strength spot. Inziguri by Benoit. Action goes outside. Back in, multiple Germans. Regal with a belly to belly from the top! He's got colour in the same place on his forehead as the velocity match, it's almost like that match was a tribute to this one. Series of nearfalls. Tombstone by Regal, reversed, Benoit misses the diving headbutt. Dragon suplex by Benoit. Crossface and Regal taps. Perhaps a bit too quickly. Honestly, the Velocity match was so much better. Not nearly as much psychology here and I'm not sure that Regal is best suited working bombfest sprints trading suplexes with Benoit. **1/2 The Shield vs The Wyatt Family (2/23/14) Bit of a fast forward for this one. Elimination Chamber was the event, 2014 was the year. Tremendous heat here to start. Alternating Wyatt and Shield chants. Rowen and Rollins to start. Harper in. Bray vs. Roman confrontation now. Harper in. Tries to suplex Roman multiple times, no cigar, Roman hits it. Shades of Backlund from Roman so far, ha ha. We settle in to a FIP on Ambrose now. Cobra noogie! Slaughter gets a shout out. You know, I only ever saw him do that on the wrestlfest game. We get a Brody and Hansen shout out from JBL. Some spirited work here. Neckbreaker! Allows Ambrose to get the tag to Rollins. So far, Ambrose has come off like the Buddy Roberts of The Shield. Rollins comes off the rope with a move which gets a "this is awesome" chant. Settle into a FIP segment on Rollins now. Roman comes in eventually with explosiveness. There's a lot happening. A lot of bombs all over the place. Work is stiff. Wow, Harper through the middle rope. Plancha by Roman! So much stuff going on. Roman and Rowan have a slugfest in the ring. Harper and Rollins outside. Been a while setting up this table spot. Fall away slam by Rowan in the ring. Rollins on the table meanwhile. Double choke slam on Rollins by Harper and Rowan through the table. Roman alone in the ring. Not sure where Ambrose has gone, somewhere in the crowd? Some double teaming on Roman now. Bray in with Sister Abigail's kiss, but Roman powers out and takes out all three of them. Super man punch. Spear on Harper. Bray with the kiss for the cover. I thought this was chaotic and fun, but I don't think it was a great all-time calibre match. Some great spots, but that's all it felt like to me, an extended spot fest with six men in it. I really didn't dig the Wyatt's offense very much, which brought down some of the FIP sequences for me. I couldn't put this over numerous spot fest tags I love in all honesty. But it was enjoyable and fun. Maybe you had to be there, or be a fan of this feud or whatever, but y'know I hold things up against everything I've seen and most of the time you aren't in the moment. Very good match, but nothing more than that for me. **** Stone Cold Steve Austin vs. Kurt Angle (8/19/01) I remember loving this feud and everything Angle and Austin did together in 2001, but haven't revisited any of it since. Watching some of the hype package, one forgets how heelish Austin became during this run. Kurt looked so much better when he had hair. Oh it's true, it's true. Commentary team is JR and Heyman. Austin had alternate music here, it sucked. Still, the awesome old WWF belt. Austin attacks Angle right in the aisle and we're on straight away. Angle with a comeback as the bell goes. Reverse knife edge by Austin. Flying cross body by Angle. Austin focuses on the leg some, especially the hamstring. Heyman reminds us, Austin weakened the ankle and leg before with a chair shot. Ankle lock back Angle! Austin breaks and bails. Clothesline outside. Nice one. I find the main events from this period very watchable, I even remember at the time preferring 2000/2001 to 98/99. Couple of great suplexes by Austin. Goes for a third. angle drops behind. German! And a second. And a third! He holds on for a fourth, Austin struggles but Angle hits it. And a fifth. Jesus five Germans. Sixth German. Seven! Eat your heart out Brock. Goes for the Angle slam but Austin goes to the eyes, and gets a shot to the gut. Goes for a suplerplex. No cigar. Tries again. Yes, superplex! Austin working a lot more technically than I remember from him. He's bringing the suplexes here, and great execution. Shades of Stunning Steve. Stunner! Angle kicks out. Second stunner! Angle rolls out of the ring. I wonder if it's a bit soon for those stunners? Angle into the post. And again. I like Austin working as a ring general like this. Third shot into the post. Fourth post shot. Fifth post shot. Jesus! Punches to the face. Angle has colour, I'm not surprised, five postings! Kurt has the crimson mask here. Cover gets two only. Sixth post shot! God. I don't remember this level of sadism in this match. Suplex over the barrier onto the concrete by Austin. As Austin tries to get over r barrier, Angle gets the ankle lock on and screams. Drags him up the steps. Into the ring. Ankle lock in the middle. Austin screams, gets to the ropes. Belly to belly outside by Angle. Austin comes back with punches. Back suplex by Angle outside. Angle smashes Austin into the announce table. Back into the ring. Moonsault! Cover gets two only. Angle has lost a lot of blood. Million dollar dream by Austin! JR calls it a cobra clutch this time. Weird, DiBiase was with WCW in 96, but was a free agent in 01, ha ha. We do get a ringmaster call though. Still in the cobra clutch. Arm drops once, twice, but not the third time. Tremendous bit of psychology by Austin to go for the cobra clutch when Kurt has lost so much blood. Makes so much sense. Stunner by Austin. Still only two! Austin is shocked and flabbergasted. Angle climbs up Austin, Angleslam! Cover gets two only! Austin just lays Earl Hebner out cold. Ha ha, total heel. DDT by Angle. Another ref out. Cover gets two only! Why not a DQ ref? Austin stunners the sub ref! Ha ha ha ha! Awesome. Austin bails and grabs his belt. Rolls in the ring, a third ref comes out. DQ ref? No, Austin nails him with the belt! That was Tim White. A fourth ref comes out. It's Nick Patrick. He goes to count, but no, he DQs Austin. Angle is super pissed. Lays out Patrick. Ankle lock on Nick Patrick! Holy overbooked finish Batman. What the fuck was that? JR shut up, he should have been DQ'd the first time, Patrick made the right call. It wasn't a blatant shafting, rules are rules. Heyman 100% in the right. Correct call. First sub ref should have made it, Tim White should have made it. JR gets right in Heyman's face. Well you are wrong Ross. Man, I don't know what to make of this. I was digging the match. Great juicing by Angle. Austin was really solid and really sadisitic all the way through the match. The seven Germans and six ring post shots were cool. But I thought they went to the stunner too early on which telegraphed that Angle was never going to fall to it. Also, the four referee finish is probably two levels of BS too much for even me. I understand the invasion context, but y'know. I also thought the finishing stretch was way too overwrought. There's drama and then there's high camp melodrama, and this fell into the latter for me and not in a good way. Very good match marred by poor finish and finishing stretch. Great great performance by Austin though, and not a bad sell job by Kurt either. I would have cut about five minutes or gone to the stunner later. ****

Profoundly disagree with that statement by OJ. 70s, 80s, 90s, I have not seen a single promotion put out more great long tag matches than All Japan. What a baffling thing to say!

Steven, Martel gives 100% at all times. That's why he got the nod over Steamer here, although it may flip again by final submission, Steamer has been phenomenal in the 92 stuff I've been rewatching for WTBBP.

I've never heard of this Rockers vs Rougueaus match Marty is hyping to the moon. What's the date on it?

Run too short.

Has it ever occurred to anyone that Money Inc were considered so evil that they were used to turn first the Natural Disasters and then Jimmy Hart himself? As the biggest Money Inc fan in the United Kingdom, I followed them very closely during 92-3 and remember registering shock several times at their title changes in the Apter mags. As far as I know the Natural Disasters win was never telelvised, and neither was Money Inc's victory over LoD (which I still refuse to believe actually took place). And there were a couple of shot gun house show non-televised changes featuring the Steiners around the time of KoTR 93 as well. You can find the Natural Disastes title win on the Grudges, Gripes and Grunts CHV, which was one of the super duper common ones when I was collecting, and could be picked up for pennies from eBay back in the day. I actually already had a copy from 92.