JerryvonKramer

I'm so high on Garvin right now and I know there's some emotion and hyperbole talking but I don't think there's a better trilogy of matches in NWA/WCW outside of Flair - Steamboat than the three Garvin matches. (I need to rewatch Luger vs. Flair from Wrestlewar 90). 85 studio matches is sensational, 87 Detroit is magical and surely a contender for "best TV match ever", the Starrcade match is so good it starts out with a hostile Chicago crowd and actually turns them around. I'm not sure if Flair has better chemistry with anyone than with Garvin. I've got some thinking to do over the awards, but I'm deliberating on puting some of the Garvin matches above the Funk matches. ---- I wonder if Tully is a little bit of a "reverse Windham" -- a big match player. Didn't seem as awesome in many of these TV matches. And it's going to hurt his push for top 3.

Listened to the Jim Ross ones and the one with Terry Funk. I really enjoyed both, but especially the Funk one. I've heard quite a lot of Funk shoots, but he always strikes me as one of the the most intelligent wrestlers. His stuff on promos near the end captured exactly what is lacking from so many promos these days. My favourite thing about Funk is his stubborn refusal to shit on the present-day business. You don't get any of the bitterness or tired ranting about the same 4 or 5 things that you get with someone like Corny. Very rare example of an old-timer with a genuinely progressive, pragmatic and realistic attitude. He has a refreshing lack of idealism while not being at all cynical. The Jim Ross stuff was good too, especially on Bill Watts. I was pretty surprised to hear about Ross's collegiate sporting background but it makes sense I guess. His old man probably belongs in jail, total psychopath. The story JR told about not being dirty enough his home with me because when I used to play rugby I'd be out on the wing and would finish a came totally spotless. The games teachers hated this, they thought I was a ponce, so one time they instructed all of the other boys to drag me through the mud at the start of the lesson. I dug my heels in to try to stop the mud going on my legs and it resulted in a "pile-on". Messed my hair up too. If I'd have had JR's dad growing up I reckon I'd have been legit dead by 18.

lol, haven't we talked enough about Rotunda / IRS already? I will say that Rotunda has a shot at my top workers list depending on how far down we go. He might make top 10 based on his string of very good matches in 89. I'm drawn to Luger vs. Murdoch because 1) We have Murdoch vs. Nikita coming up, and it'll make for a good comparison point and 2) Me not seeing what the fuss is about re: Murdoch has been a talking point before on the show and 3) I'm a big Luger mark at the moment. Can imagine Gilbert vs. Muta being a terrific showcase for Muta's offense. (thanks Loss)

Anyone know what this is about? Didn't catch the reference and as a Bob fan would like to know. Bob Dylan's first appearance on American television in who knows how many years was as part of a Pawn Stars scripted B-story where Chumlee (the show's buffoon character) was sent to find him on the Las Vegas strip so he could autograph an album they bought. Jesus. (as soon as I get home you know I'm watching it )

We've decided to add Flair vs. Morton from GAB as a bonus match. That takes us up to 29 total. Might be cool to round it off as a cool 30. Any more from 88 or 89 that might make the grade? Preferrably a match that does not contain any of these workers: - Flair - Arn - Tully - Windham - Midnights - Rock n Rolls We know all about these guys and what they can do, and we have seen many many matches of theirs now. I understand this is because they were the best JCP had to offer, but still. If there's that elusive great Mike Rotunda or Tom Zenk TV match out there, or maybe someone like Tommy Rich or Terry Funk in 89, I think it'd be cooler to see one of those. Thanks in advance. I veto any and all suggestions for Dynamic Dudes matches

Anyone know what this is about? Didn't catch the reference and as a Bob fan would like to know.

I have to say that I'm a pretty big "I'm only going to do one thing at once" guy. Apart from eating. I don't mind eating and watching something at the same time. But essentially if I'm watching wrestling that's all I'm doing. I have to give it my full attention. When it comes to films and certain tv I'm a bit hardcore about it to the extent where I can be a dick to others for not paying full attention. I can't actually tolerate watching anything with my parents anymore. My dad will bugger about during the first ten minutes of a film and then spend the next hour and a half asking what's been going on. WATCH IT THEN. I don't like talking during films. I don't like my wife going on her iphone or whatever. I have chastised the same friend mentioned in the OP for posting on a forum while watching the original Texas Chainsaw Massacre for "disrespecting the film". Don't really understand how anyone can put up with me. Ha ha.

I was watching this show called "Lizard Lick" (I think), which is clearly clearly scripted. There is no two ways about it. I don't think Kitchen Nightmares is scripted by the way, but those ABC Bakery people are absolutely nuts.

I get heart palpatations every time I read a new post in this thread. Sidebottom's entry is no exception. Loss - is there a way for me to make it so this thread doesn't appear? I don't think I can take it.

Ha ha, I couldn't love that match more.

Maybe one or two of those Best Chef cooking shows, but probably not them either. Refuse to believe that the two people from that recent Kitchen Nightmares USA are real. Possibly two of the most insane people ever to appear on television. It was sold to us as having been "news" over there, was it? "The show that has everyone in America talking about it".

Try it now (always do that, lol).

Or "The David Crockett Appreciation Show" Where the Big Boys Play #43 – 80s TV Special Part 1 Chad and Parv briefly talk about the new PlacetoBeNation.com website, Chikara and US day-time TV soaps before tackling 16 of the hottest matches to air on tv from Jim Crockett Promotions between 1983 and 1987: 1. World Title: Ric Flair vs Harley Race © (Mid-Atlantic 8/17/83) – Greensboro, NC [?] 2. TV Title: Tully Blanchard © vs Don Kernodle (Worldwide 05/11/85) – Blackwood, NJ 3. World Tag Titles: Rock & Roll Express vs Ivan Koloff & Krusher Kruschev © (Worldwide 07/09/85) – Shelby, NC 4. World Title: Ric Flair © vs Nikita Koloff (WCW Sunday Edition 08/11/85) – Atlanta, GA 5. Ric Flair, Arn and Ole Anderson vs Dusty Rhodes, Magnum TA and Manny Fernandez (Worldwide 12/21/85) – Greensboro, NC 6. World Title: Ric Flair © vs Ron Garvin (WCW 12/28/85) – Atlanta, GA 7. Ole Anderson vs Magnum TA (WCW 12/28/85) – Atlanta, GA 8. Ric Flair and Arn Anderson vs Ron Garvin and Dusty Rhodes (Worldwide 12/28/85) – Greensboro, NC 9. National Title: Tully Blanchard © vs Ron Garvin (Worldwide 05/03/86) – Greensboro, NC 10. World Title: Ric Flair © vs Ricky Morton (NWA Pro 05/17/86) Atlanta, GA 11. World Tag Titles: Rock & Roll Express © vs Rick Rude & Manny Fernandez (WCW 12/86) – Atlanta, GA 12. Ric Flair vs Barry Windham (Worldwide 01/24/87) – Fayetteville, NC 13. Midnight Express vs Barry Windham & Ron Garvin (WCW 05/16/87) – Charlotte, NC 14. Ric Flair & Lex Luger vs Ron & Jimmy Garvin (WCW 6/27/87) – Atlanta, GA 15. Rock & Roll Express vs. Arn and Tully (WCW 9/19/87) – Raleigh, NC 16. Ric Flair vs Ron Garvin (Cage match) (Worldwide 9/26/87) – Detroit, MI

Very quickly before I upload the show, does anyone know where that Race vs. Flair match on 8/17/83 took place? Greensboro?

Arnold Skaaland's towel should be in the canon. If you don't know what that's referring to immediately, you're not a "serious fan".

Just to clarify my view on the music front. I don't make fun of my friend because I disagree with the general priinciple of listening to full albums for the context, I do it because he sticks to it rigidly to the point where it becomes absurd. Take The Kinks, for example. A band with some great albums, but also a band with some really excellent singles and B-sides that don't appear on albums. By my friend's rule, you'd never get to listen to something like Autumn Aulmanac because it's not on Face to Face, Village Green or Arthur -- this is the inverse of your Beach Boys example. The main one I needle him about is The Smiths. His stupid rule means that the singles collection and Hatful of Hollow are out of bounds. What sort of rule is that? Bob Dylan also provides countless examples because he routinely leaves masterpieces off final albums -- Blind Willie McTell on its own is probably better than all of Infidels. Bootleg Series Vol. 3 is better than any 80s album he put out. You get the picture. -------------- To come back to wrestling, I'm quite interested at the spread of views here. I guess El-P and Loss represent the extreme ends and everyone else is somewhere in between.

Some online searching has shown that there are quite a few people out there who have seen all 8,000+ episodes of Coronation St., including a woman in her 40s. Jesus. Got me wondering about shows with most episodes ever: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_telev...y_episode_count It's all your US "day-time soaps". Guiding Light - 15,762 episodes(!!) I'm kinda surprised that CBS would pull the plug on a show that's been going for 72 years. Imagine being the guy to make that decision.

See the British soaps run 52 weeks a year, 4 times a week. But they are primetime, basically flagship shows for BBC1 and ITV with decent production values and will be your top rated shows in any average week. Some people follow them avidly, others kinda dip in and out -- the characters and situations seldom change too much, so even if you've missed like 5 years you can kinda pick it back up within a few episodes. There have been 8,040 episodes of Coronation Street since 1960. Wonder if anyone has actually seen them all. I would be shocked if there was someone my age who'd tracked down all those episodes on DVD and sat through them. That's 4,020 hours of footage or 168 days. That's some homework. I have honestly never watched even 1 episode of it from start to finish. I followed Eastenders for a while before, but never Corrie.

I have never heard about these until just now: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_US_da...p_opera_ratings Honestly haven't heard of a single one of those shows. This must be the shit you guys don't export. We've always had healthy doses of stuff like Diagnosis Murder and Murder She Wrote though. Staples of the mid-afternoon schedule.

Not here in the UK they aren't. Eastenders / Coronation Street are still the bread and butter of the prime-time schedule here. Don't ever see that changing either. People buy into them so much that they call the actors by their character names. The UK soap and the US soap are very different beasts. I guess with US TV, there are a lot of these long-running blockbuster shows now (Lost, 24, etc. etc.), reckon they are a 21st century phenomenon. "The boxset generation".

See, this is the difficulty because it seems like Flair could legitimately defend the world title on any of those 5 shows and it wouldn't look massively out of place. It it actually possible that around 86-8, JCP had 5 A-shows running co-currently? Would that be a wildly inaccurate statement? MACW/ Pro really feels like it's "Bob Caudle's show".

jdw is 100% right on this when it comes to what non-fans see and think. I'm trying to think of a parallel and the best I can come up with is Jerry Springer. Remember when all those rumours were flying around that Jerry Springer is fake? That the guests were actors etc. I think a lot of people lost interest in watching that show around then.

Want to get the genesis of Crockett / WCW TV right. Mid-Atlantic --> NWA Pro --> WCW Pro [synicadted, later TBS] World Wide Wrestling --> WCW WorldWide [syndicated] World Championship Wrestling [GCW] --> World Championship Wrestling [WWF] --> NWA World Championship Wrestling --> WCW Saturday Night [TBS] NWA Power Hour --> WCW Power Hour [TBS] WCW Main Event [TBS] ---------- One thing I struggle with is the sense of hierarchy among these shows. Worldwide and WCW both seem like "A-shows" to me. MACW was an A-show before the merger with GCW but after that (and when it become Pro), it was more or less a B-show. Main Event was a B-show. But what was Power Hour meant to be? Is that basically right though? A: Worldwide and WCW B: MACW/Pro, Power Hour [?] C: Main Event. Seems a bit nuts: FIVE separate weekly shows from 86 to 94 in the pre-Nitro years. Were any of these recapathons?

I don't fear judgement. I don't care what other people think of me, I just can't be doing with THAT conversation. It's quite strange: it's suddenly socially acceptable to be a geek these days, you can come out and say you like video games and read DC comics and it's almost cool (note "almost" ). The other person doesn't come out and say "you know video games are just shit don't you?" Some people talk about being a Trekkie or a big Doctor Who fan almost as a badge of honour now, and no one gives them shit for it. But for some reason wrestling is an area where people think it's alright to just come out and voice their ill-informed opinion and shit all over it at the first opportunity. I find it really really annoying.

I've got a blanket "I won't talk wresting with non-fans" rule. I try not to mention I'm a fan. I try to avoid conversations about it. If it so-happens that wrestling is brought up independently of me, I'll bite my lip and keep quiet. My mum and dad sometimes actively go out of their way to bug me: "You still watch that shit?" "Nuts you are" etc., but I don't react. I'll admit that I'm a totally closeted fan, but my view is that that's the only way to be. All of that said, I'm thinking of putting my signed Ted DiBiase picture up in my office. The prospect of questions from colleagues and students is the only thing stopping me right now. Quizzical looks I can take, it's the questions and ensuing conversation I wouldn't be able to handle.