JerryvonKramer

I imagine it's more of a surprise to most who voted for him that he didn't do better. The list that we're dealing with is becoming apparent. It could still swing either way, let's see.

Adonis is my 11th guy. Brillo pads.

Hayes is my 10th guy.

I wonder how much of a bump he had from appearing on WWE TV.

I think Tiger Mask finishing above a lot of the other guys we've seen today and previously has got to at least be a mild surprise.

I have a feeling I'm on such a different wavelength than most of you that my explanation won't mean much, but... When I made my list I had a hard time separating who I "liked to watch" and who I "thought was the best". It's not like baseball where there are pure stats to go off when saying this guy hit more homers than this guy but did so during a period where the pitching was worse and etc... So even if I look at someone like Flair (who I ranked just below Boss) and know that he's regarded as one of the best and brings a lot to the table, if I'd rather watch a Bossman match, than Bossman is "better".I can't step outside myself and go "Well Flair is liked more by people that have watched a lot more than me so he is a greater wrestler". Again, it's one of the reasons I didn't feel comfortable ranking Japanese guys despite watching hundreds of matches from those promotions. I wouldn't know where to rank Kobashi or Misawa without being completely influenced by what others think of them. And watching that stuff is like eating my vegetables. I do it because I know the classics are good to have watched, but I don't typically like them as much as appreciate them. He was super effective as both a face and a heel. Even though he was already Big Bubba in WCW when I started watching (mid-90s), I knew he had been Big Bossman in WWF and was SHOCKED to eventually find out he started out as a heel before that early ‘90s run. And that turn angle with Dibiase is a high point of character development for that era. Up there with the Savage/Hogan/Liz turn. His bumping was fantastic, not just as a big man, but as a wrestler. And for a guy with his physique, he was astounding in getting the most he could out of his character, a master of facial and body expressions. I’d rather watch his reactions during his matches than most wrestlers’ actions. I'd rather watch him in anything, be it a 2 minute squash or 25 minute slog than every other wrestler except the 9 above him on my list. All the guys I've been the high vote on so far (Ouillet, Cabana, Jacques, Steiner, Steen, and Bossman) are all guys I'd drop almost anything to watch a highly pimped match of.

I'm going out for a while. Today has been brutal.

Scott Steiner, Sting, Scott Hall and Triple H are all going to finish above Yatsu.

Who Yatsu? Nah, he was disappointing there. Better AJ run than Ted though.

We can be like two emos crying into our limp wrists together. Also, your months of propaganda managed to get fucking Bossman ranked above legit best-ever-offensive-guy, best-ever-random-tag-guy, best-ever-olympic-guy Yatsu. So well done. EDIT: Yatsu was my 9th solider. I'm sad he's gone so early.

Stan Frazier got to be a part of two awesome bits of wrestling history. First as the tag partner of DiBiase and Fuller in the Freebirds feud in Georgia, second getting betated by Jesse Ventura during his own wedding. Those two things put him over the top of Owens for me. (I'm kidding, *I think*)

This is a hell of a stretch. Depending on your standards, he arguably had three great matches in May 2001 alone. His work that year especially in the heel run is incredible and now seemingly underrated. The bloody self conscious epic with HHH which is one of the better matches of its type. The X7 classic with The Rock that effectively summarised and ended the "Attitude Era". The fantastic television matches with Chris Benoit. The torn quad tag. The Kurt Angle series, especially the Summerslam match which is a contender for the best match in company history, and the interesting rematch that they centre around the piledriver. The random fun stuff like the Spike Dudley feud/match taking place on Smackdown - that type of mini feud just doesn't happen any more. The stuff where he tried to raise the Hardy Boyz up, or the random match with Tazz and the whippinh. The incredible character work and promos, glorious stuff like "Steve Austin appreciation night". The way he turned at the flick of a switch from goofy 'lost his edge' Austin to desperate psychotic madman doing anything to keep hold of the strap. It's not 3 great matches, it's a rating out of 10 for Great Matches where Flair, Misawa and Kobashi are 10/10 Do you see.

Well it's because it's so clear he's setting up for a big holy shit spot. It's like the entire match has to stop so he can do something you might see at Universal Studios or whatever. It's just not my thing.

I'm into wrestling not stunt shows. I do realise there are a lot of fans of fireworks and spectacle on this site though.

Seems a strange criticism. No. The Hardys & Edge are the ones who brought stupid moves with tons of wasted motions and illogical body movements to the game, the worst being Edge pulling a guy's neck to him while himself bumps on his ass. That's what I hate the most about those moves, is that guy giving them is often talking a completely unecessary bump at the same time to make it look "cooler" (which it doesn't). As far as falling from high places, I think those classic E & C vs Dudleys vs Hardys matches are garbage. I feel like wrestling has only recovered in the past couple of years from the stuff those guys pioneered.

Nothing says "I want to win a wrestling match" more than that bit when he just double checks his footing before the swanton.

We could form a great grumpy old man tag-team El-P. Me in a top hat, you in a Napolean outfit. "The Roaring Twenties." Apparently you can feud with Childs and myself as "You Maryland Pedants." That could be the finisher, a double-team hamstring snap.

Just absolutely HATE the setting up for the stunt stuff. The worst. Hate it, hate it.

I am lower on both that feud and his WCW 91 stuff. Watching the supercards on WTBBP Austin looked very green in early DA stuff.

We could form a great grumpy old man tag-team El-P. Me in a top hat, you in a Napolean outfit.

I popped for Jeff Hardy not finishing in the 100. I know Dylan and his bro like him, but he's basically everything I hate about post-1996 wrestling.

I don't even want the modern guys I voted for myself to make the list.

It'll be some flippy dipshit from Dragongate or something like that.

My money's on Kris. Nah, I think his list will tilt too Southern / territories.