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Can someone tell me what exactly happened? I ain't watching this shit.
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I'm pretty sure Tanahashi has the strongest combined resume of high-end singles and tags of any 21st century worker. The match with Okada at Invasion Attack is my pick for greatest IWGP title match, and the match with Nakamura vs. Suzuki/Sasaki that brother Clayton mentioned is my pick for greatest IWGP tag title match. How many other wrestlers can credibly claim to have been involved in both the best world title match and the best tag title match of a major promotion?
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Bret/Piper at WM8 wouldn't be nearly as well-regarded without the finish. It's a great finish in its own right that stands out even more by virtue of being one of the few clean jobs Piper did in the WWF.
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The Naito/Tanahashi vs. Okada/Nakamura tag right before WK8 is really good as well. Nailing Okada with a missile dropkick during the Rainmaker pose is probably the coolest thing Naito did pre-LIJ.
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Comments that don't warrant a thread - Part 4
NintendoLogic replied to TravJ1979's topic in Pro Wrestling
We have some footage of Flair as a fat jobber in the AWA. -
Darby Allin The best underdog of this generation. Amazing seller and lunatic bumper. One of the few guys working today who can make high-flying offense look dangerous, like he's flinging his body at opponents like a missile. Excels at spots that are creative without feeling contrived. Also excels at making it look like he's genuinely catching his opponents off-guard with his dives. Spectacular, violent, and logical-he's the total package. Matches: vs. WALTER (EVOLVE, 6/23/2018) vs. PAC (AEW, 1/15/2020) vs. Brian Cage (AEW, 1/13/2021)
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Doesn't Hikaru Shida use the falcon arrow as a finisher?
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11/22/86. https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=484727678931421
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For someone completely new to Toyota, I'd go with Big Egg Universe. It's the first joshi match I ever saw, and it remains one of my favorite matches of all time. For Toyota skeptics, I'd recommend watching her match against Kaoru Ito on 2/24/02. I wouldn't call it a great match, but she does turn in a legitimately great selling performance, both in general and of an injured body part (her back).
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I think the best Jumbo/Martel match was on 9/29/85 in the AWA.
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The thing with Toyota is that she'd largely blow off long-term selling during the matches but would sell her ass off after the match. The idea is that she was pushing herself to her limits to win and give the fans all she had and felt the effects afterward. It's not my preferred psychology, but there's a clear logic behind it.
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The Observer reported a few months ago that talent was being told the old way of touring wasn't coming back even post-COVID. From a company perspective, why should it? House shows had become a money loser in recent years, and they've set record profits running in empty arenas. The main value of house shows is additional ring time for those who need it, but that's the kind of thing a multimillion-dollar developmental facility should be able to address. Maybe they can have them do something other than forward rolls and Olympic lifts.
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No real sports HOF would be able to get away with half the crap WWE does. If Monument Park had a plaque for George Steinbrennner's limo driver and placed Mickey Mantle in a separate lower-profile wing because they didn't think he was as marketable to modern fans as Bernie Williams, the New York and sports media would rip them to shreds. With WWE, they don't care since it's just wrestling and it's all fake anyway.
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It's not a phenomenon unique to pro wrestling. In economics, it's called the Veblen effect. Super-premium vodka is another example. In fact, a big part of Grey Goose's initial marketing strategy was pricing it way above all the other vodkas on the market.
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Ironically, it was The Self-Destruction of the Ultimate Warrior that marked the beginning of Warrior whitewashing. It was such an over-the-top hatchet job that it inadvertently made him a sympathetic figure. Dropping dead before he could embarrass himself on WWE's dime surely helped as well.
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WALTER/Ciampa had the best body part psychology of any match I've seen in years. I guess they figured Ciampa was too brittle for a full-on violence party, so they decided to work a more story-based match (although it's not like they were playing patty-cake with each other). If that's the case, it was definitely for the better.
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Top three for 2021 so far is up. I have to say, I've been quite pleased with the match quality so far this year. A little more than a quarter of the way in, there have already been three matches I would rate above my MOTY selections for 2018, 2019, or 2020.
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The evidence that taking the belt off a walking tall kickass babyface and putting it on a dweeb with a penchant for overwrought interpersonal melodrama (see the above gif) was a terrible mistake continues to pile up.
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It feels like the women's division has largely regressed to Divas-era booking over the past few months. Only one program on each show given meaningful time, women being catty and unable to get along, most matches lasting two minutes or less. And now Bayley is reduced to trying to book her own angle with Michael Cole.
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Two members of the legacy wing (Hisashi Shinma and Joe Cohen) are still alive. It's really just for people they don't think are marketable enough for a full induction.
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Sayama wasn't just a cool mask. If you go back and watch his 1981 debut with the Tiger Mask gimmick, the speed with which he moved and grappled is pretty mind-blowing even today. He made everyone else look like they were moving in slow motion even if it at times led to his reach exceeding his grasp in terms of execution.
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Part One: The Black Ship Approaches
NintendoLogic replied to KinchStalker's topic in Super World Sports
I don't know, I kind of like the idea of Mutoh considering leaving wrestling for a career as a municipal employee. -
My New Year's Revolution: The Rewatchening
NintendoLogic replied to NintendoLogic's topic in Pro Wrestling
Update: Genichiro Tenryu/Takashi Ishikawa vs. Tatsumi Fujinami/Hiroshi Hase (WAR, 2/14/93) Fujinami and Hase don't seem like the likeliest candidates to adapt to WAR-ism, but they manage to do just fine. The tone is set early on when Tenryu moves out of the way of a Fujinami tope attempt only for Hase to jump him and roll him back in the ring (the camera doesn't catch what exactly Hase does, unfortunately-it's a handheld). What this lacks in classic tag structure it more than makes up for in hatred and violence. This could very well be Fujinami's best performance of the 90s as he manages to come across as genuinely dangerous rather than simply a skilled wrestler. One of the match's highlights was him putting Ishikawa in a dragon sleeper and then turning toward Tenryu so he could talk trash. Tremendous finishing stretch as all seems lost for Team WAR on two separate occasions. First, Ishikawa wipes out on a plancha to nowhere, leaving Tenryu alone to be double-teamed, uranaged, and suplexed into oblivion. Later, after Ishikawa rises from the dead to rescue Tenryu from Hase's onslaught, he accidentally nails Tenryu in a sandwich lariat gone awry. However, he manages to redeem himself, as he recovers to break up a Hase German suplex and then detains Fujinami long enough to allow Tenryu to score the win with a powerbomb. The only real off note was Tenryu putting Fujinami in an abdominal stretch after his first powerbomb of the match, which served no real purpose other than to give Hase enough time to come in and break it up. Amazing match, right up there with the very best of the NJPW/WAR feud. ****1/2