DR Ackermann

You can see Ziggler blade immediately after the headbutt, right before the camera cuts. He does it really well. If it wasn't a blade job wouldn't Sheamus have had blood on him with that much coming out of Ziggler's head?

The Russell/Hart comparison doesn't work because Russell is a legit contender for GOAT whereas Bret Hart comes nowhere close.

Aoyagi wasn't nominated yet? For some reason that's really surprising.

Good comp. I've heard both described as the ultimate videogame wrestler/player.

My list at this point would be GOATS Terry Funk Stan Hansen Second tier Barry Windham Dustin Rhodes Around the top 50 mark Dick Murdoch Between 60-100 Tito Santana Steve Austin Tully Blanchard Possibly top 100, not likely Mark Henry Not quite there Ted Diabiase The Leftovers Bob Orton Jr. Bruiser Brody Dory Funk jr. Dusty Rhodes Dutch Mantell James Storm Kerry Von Erich Kevin Von Erich

Barry Windham is getting seriously underrated here by some of YOU PEOPLE.

Watch that Marty Jones match on YouTube that OJ mentioned.

Watched this again recently now and feel completely different about it. Being more familiar with lucha is probably a big part of it. This was a lot of fun. Casas is shooting up the GOAT ladder.

I mean exactly what I said. If a person wants a coke they're going to buy a coke. If you don't have coke they'll go somewhere else to get it.

Wrestling on the indies isn't exactly about artistic freedom. People want to see certain styles of wrestling and if you don't give them what they want you're not going to get booked. Making this about "selling out" is ridiculous.

Christian was a main eventer in TNA

"Look, Mic Skills, Wrestling Ability hes about as high as a wrestler can get this side of peak Ric Flair." Yep that's Seth Rollins in a nutshell.

I nominate Jay Youngblood. Haven't seen a lot from him yet, but I thought he was better than Steamboat in the Final Conflict match and he's supposed to have some great stuff with Buddy Rose in Portland. http://prowrestlingonly.com/index.php?/topic/19164-jack-brisco/page-3&do=findComment&comment=5657238 http://prowrestlingonly.com/index.php?/topic/18986-where-the-big-boys-play-3/ http://prowrestlingonly.com/index.php?/topic/30203-steve-williams-terry-gordy-vs-stan-hansen-joel-deaton-ajpw-super-power-series-060193/&do=findComment&comment=5643575

When Funk pops up in Memphis and AJPW in late 1990 he's still awesome at the age of 46.

Laimbeer is Bradshaw. Fake tough guy bully who gets his ass handed to him when push comes to shove. Never one of of the elite guys but had a run at the top that is underrated.

If I remember correctly, Ric Flair said in his book that Billy Robinson was the guy who actually trained Flair and the rest of his class at Verne's camp.

I could believe the Terry Funk story seeing as he and Stalone had at least some sort of a working relationship from the late 70s into the late 80s.

Actually you did. "These are my complete ratings for Jumbo." It's just a misunderstanding though. No big deal.

So you've never seen a Jumbo match you'd rate under 4 stars?

That's not really true. He has horrible punches, a horrible piledriver. I'm just not seeing it that way. Yeah he seems angry and does these really intense moves, but then what? He has this intensity in the moment and then it's gone. He hits a monster knee, hits a monster bodyslam then puts on a single leg crab and then just stops. He is a very good wrestler, at times great, but the argument that he has tons of great matches doesn't mean anything to me when I personally don't feel like a lot of them are all that great. Certainly there are great ones, but he was also working with the cream of the crop for 20 years. I'm not saying he phoned it in necessarily, I just don't think he was dynamic enough to bring much more than what he brought in a lot of those tags or singles matches for that matter. I see him mostly as a guy that worked an oldschool NWA style with big high spots that meshed with certain people and didn't with others. It comes down to this: Do I enjoy watching him? Usually no. Why not? He's boring.

I go back and forth on this all the time. I'd normally put Hansen right above Tenryu, just barely, but then I'll watch Tenryu wrestle and realize how much I discount his ability. If only his execution was just a bit better...

Based on what I've seen, if Tenryu's career ended when Jumbo's did then Jumbo would be miles ahead. But it didn't, and Tenryu goes on, in my mind, to blow Jumbo away. I place a big premium on how well a wrestler performs outside of the 'big' matches. I like to see what they do with the stuff that isn't top tier. All of it matters though.To me Jumbo is a big match guy. A lot of his throwaway matches bore me. A lot of his praised ones do too, though. Tenryu on the other hand makes most of his matches feel more important than they are. His minifeud with Isao Takagi in early 1990 is really good. All the stuff he's doing with Jumbo's underlings during that time is so much fun to watch and the best parts all happen when Jumbo is on the apron. Thank god Misawa and co. stepped up so much when they did in 1990. I don't like either Misawa/Jumbo match from that year, but the tags and six-mans are great. As far as being anti-Flair or anti-Jumbo, thats simply not the case. Flair is a GOAT candidate without a doubt. At the end of the day wrestling is supposed to be fun and while Jumbo can be great, more often than not I'm bored watching him wrestle. I used to think the Phil Schneider Jumbo/Terry Taylor line was just silly, but it actually really fits.

Replace Flair & Jumbo with Tenryu & Fujinami and that would likely be mine as well.

I've enjoyed the Canek matches I've seen, but he does seem like he maxes out at the "good" level, in that he can be in theire with an awesome guy like Fujinami or a solid guy like Dos Caras, and the match quality isn't going to differ that much.

He was so dynamic in his last fews years in All Japan. The moment he tags in he's able to elevate the intensity and drama of a match either through his vicious offense or his ability sell a beating. He makes everyone look good and creates a lot of drama where there otherwise would be none. He's a lock for my top 5, yet every time I go back and watch him I realize I forgot how great he was.