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When R-Truth came out as John Cena on Saturday Night's Main Event, holding up the "One Last Time" (or whatever it says) towel, it did strike me that maybe this was, in a weird way, some sort of "secret" retirement match for him. But then I kinda thought, "No, if he was going to retire, they'd make a bigger deal out of it and use that to get more heat on Cena and I'm seeing 'signs' where there are none." And then, based on what's on Cagematch, it looks like he fought Jeff Cobb on SmackDown two days ago too. Any which way, as much as I know some would scoff at yet another ex-WWE guy going to AEW, especially one who is so much of a "sports-entertainer" than a wrestler at this point, but he's one that I think would be great there for a short run. Great connection to the crowd, supposedly very well-liked backstage, and he'd be awesome as Ricochet's "back-up," for example. Even at 53, he can still work as a tag guy too, which could make for some good Collision fodder.
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I'm curious if he'll make anyone's list. He could end up on mine and I'm not afraid to say 2024-2025 may be the reason. His match this past weekend against Ospreay was excellent. It was still an Ospreay fireworks show with the crazy sequences and countless counters, but Page brought the little things that differentiated it a bit - the intense stares and deliberate pacing, the big forearms to the mush, the nasty lariats, and, oh yeah, Page's reckless abandon and willingness to do crazy (cowboy?) shit like taking a Styles Clash from the apron to the floor. I know its not everyone's cup of tea, but in the main event of a PPV with title shot implications, it works much better than when its happening in the opening match of Colission. I'm slowly working my way through the pre-2024 AEW PPVs as they get released on HBO MAX so I can't really even speak on much between 2021-2023. I know I've got some acclaimed matches ahead of me. I've seen a good amount of his TV matches, though, and he's been a consistent highlight. Last time around, I had Marc Mero and John Tenta on my list because I really do enjoy them so Adam Page making the cut is very, very possible.
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[1986-05-03-NWA-Worldwide] Tully Blanchard vs Ron Garvin
DMJ replied to Superstar Sleeze's topic in May 1986
Just saw this match, unaware of its rep, and, wow, from the very beginning this match feels special. This is a masterpiece and I'm not usually a big Ronnie Garvin fan. Everything they do looks good and intense and competitive and heated. Listen to that crowd, too. They bring a ton to the atmosphere of this match. The finish is basically the only flaw I can find in this otherwise excellent, excellent match. -
I have him on my "bubble" list. On one hand, I don't know if the resume is there yet. On the other hand, I have guys on my list like Abdullah the Butcher, Tracey Smothers, Batista, and the Ultimate Warrior who I will readily admit are on the list due mostly to nostalgia or being "I like them because I like them!" guys. There's no science behind them or fleshed-out argument as to why they're on my list aside from rose-colored, nostalgia-fueled personal enjoyment. So, if Swerve continues to deliver, there's a decent chance he'll make my list in 2026. He's still adding to his resume while others are not - and maybe more interestingly, my opinion on wrestlers like Edge and Moxley and Becky Lynch have diminished a bit over the past few years.
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It wouldn't surprise me in the least if this was all, somewhat, "by design." I don't mean to imply that Jeff Cobb purposefully is going out there to do bad work...but I don't think he came to the WWE with the naive belief that he was going to get some big push or be treated as anything more than a hired goon. If anything, I hope he has the good sense to try to get over the way Tozawa, Otis, Heath Slater, etc. did: comedy. I don't know if he's funny or not, but he has an intense look and, as far as I know, has always been presented as a legit asskicker so there is comedic potential to be mined there. "The Big Bad Dude who secretly likes _______" or "The Big Bad Dude who is actual super smart/super dumb" are tropes that have been used for ages. All you have to do is add a somewhat new wrinkle to it. And a catch phrase. The ship sailed years ago for him to come into the WWE as a legit serious player. He's 42. I'd hope he recognizes that and maybe finds a way to bring something new to the New Bloodline. The Tonga boys are black holes of charisma. Solo still has a ways to go before he's anything special. Jacob Fatu came in and within 3 weeks had outshined everyone in the stable. Cobb won't outshine Fatu in the ring or in terms of sheer charisma. He's not going to "out serious" Solo Sikoa, who is the established ice cold leader. But there is room for him to shine as some sort of comic foil to Sikoa's perpetually mean-mugging character if he can pull it off. JC Mateo as your standard silent heater is DOA.
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He's definitely dropping down (up?) my list from this run. I thought the Cody match was Cena trying to be too clever for his own good. It was almost like he said, "I'm going to do every bad thing my critics said about me - I move too slow and awkward, I call my spots too blatantly, my facial expressions are too theatric and 'big,' my matches follow a predictable formula - but now I'm a heel and doing these things is actually me winking-to-the-audience to get heat." But the reason his critics disliked those things is because they DID take you out of the match and make his matches tiresome at times. "I'm going to have a bad match on-purpose" is still John Cena having a bad match. Its like purposefully overcooking a steak as a commentary on steak preferences when...you could just, I dunno, cook a steak the way you think people would enjoy it. Rhea/IYO/Belair went out and had a banger. Drew and Priest had a banger. Just go out and kick eachother's asses and try to find interesting set-ups so you can hit your signature moves. I don't think it needed to be a 5-star classic, but it also didn't need to purposefully be the opposite of that just to make some sort of weird point. The Orton match was just bad and fell even further into cartoonish finisher-spamming and referee bumps. I don't even think it was an ill-conceived "artistic choice" like the Cody match. I think it was just, let's go out, do some brawling for 10-12 minutes, peak with the AA-into-an-RKO, and then throw as many more finishers and ref bumps we can until we can get away with a screwy finish. Oh, and R-Truth should come out too and we'll do the same low blow and championship belt shot as we did at Mania. A "call back" to another underwhelming match. Who'll make the run-in for Cena's next defense? PN News? That being said, I've actually liked Cena's heel promos. Its just a shame that I think, conceptually, his vision of this heel run and how he is going to work these matches is as brilliant as he thinks it is. I admire that he wanted to take a big swing here, but, yeah, his past two matches have just been bad.
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I only saw half of Dynamite so I can't really speak on everything this week, but two thoughts - * The Young Bucks are funny to me in the sense that, when I hear the music, I'm always like, "Man, not these guys again." Which, if you look at the ratings, it seems like a lot of people think the same thing. And then, like 10 minutes later, I'm watching them and thinking, "These guys are so goddamn good." And that happens consistently with them. I can't really think of any other act that gets that response from me where, if you ask me my thoughts on the Bucks at any random time, I'd probably say, "Yeah, they're just annoying and I'm not a fan," but if you were to ask me that same question while watching a Young Bucks match, I'd be lying if I said I wasn't enjoying it. I'm not sure how they overcome that sentiment with people who grab their remotes when they come onto the screen. Those people miss great matches like the one they had this week. * Love Stokely with FTR. He is excellent and deserves to be with a true, top-level spotlight act. He did good work with Willow and Statlander, but it was often comedic. I like him being a "serious" heel manager even better. Really liked that segment, even with how predictable and trope-ish it was, mostly because of Stokely and Dax's mic work.
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Paul Heyman adding "I'm also openly racist" to his character gives him go-away heat with me. Wow, using current political awfulness to get you more heat - what an original and brilliant concept! /s His mother was a Holocaust survivor, now he's making jokes about deportation/imprisonment without due process to help get his on-screen persona over. He does know that this is creating modern concentration camps, right? He can get fucked. He's been overexposed anyway and this new stable with Rollins and Bron already feels old hat less than a week later. Also, people joke that he "knows where the bodies are buried." Yeah. Probably. And he also did nothing to stop any of it. Scumbag. As for the rest of the roast jokes, it sounds awful and also like the WWE doesn't actually know what a "roast" is. For starters, the people getting "roasted" are usually there, aware that they are "in the line of fire," and are somewhat "in" on the jokes. Most of the people who were made fun of at this roast were not there. It seems the WWE just wanted an excuse to make racist, xenophobic, misogynist, homophobic jokes like the ones they used to tell in the locker rooms "back in the good ol' days." Oh wait, Orton was shitting in women's bags in the 2000s, Dok "P.S" Hendrix has never not been a racist, the guy at the very top up until semi-recently was a sexual trafficker, and the guy that heads creative now did blackface in the 90s. So, no, it wasn't that. It was just that the company is every bit as racist, xenophobic, misogynistic, and homophobic as it ever was. I've always been willing to watch WWE - even with all of its huge flaws - because of the wrestlers. To watch guys like GUNTHER. To watch guys like Danielson back in the day. To watch Asuka. To watch Rey and Cesaro and so many other wrestlers that I really enjoy. And, right now, their roster is as stacked as ever. I still like many wrestlers on the roster. But this past week makes it really hard for me to even do that. It's all just become too much. I can almost tolerate "MAGA-adjacent," but straight-up MAGA is a bridge too far.
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- I liked the main event, especially the second half of it. Sure, its finisher-spamming and "main event style," but I wasn't expecting anything else and it delivered the drama and the cool combos/counters that it needed to. I'm far from a Rollins fan, but I thought he was the MVP of the match. The spear-into-a-pedigree counter looked great. He was consistently "the spoiler" whenever Punk or Roman looked to have it won. He was booked, in the build, as the third wheel, but he's also "The Architect," so him and Heyman being in kahoots makes "wrestling sense" (heels do heel things). - I liked Charlotte/Stratton more than most. It was physical. It was messy at times. But I didn't see "sandbagging." I didn't see anyone taking liberties. If anything, what I think caused the sloppiness was that, as is her wont, Charlotte wanted to do everything in the match, including some sequences/counters that maybe a 4-year professional in her first major WrestleMania match isn't yet smooth enough to pull off. The match, to me, looked like Charlotte taking Stratton into the deepest part of the swimming pool and seeing if she could swim and then, to prove a point, holding her head underwater for a few seconds. Ultimately, Charlotte did the clean job and took every spinebuster and every back elbow with gusto, though. She did business. Here's hoping Flair does take some time off - her recent interviews have made it impossible to ignore the emotional baggage she's carrying from her most recent divorce, issues with her dad, and heartbreak from an unfortunate failed IVF, and she deserves time to try to get some of that sorted - but I don't say that because I'm not a fan. She clearly led the match last night and while it veered into "extra"/"try hard"/"y'all doing too much" territory, I respect the ambition. She wanted to steal the show. She wanted to see if Tiffany could steal it with her. She forgot that in a wrestling match, chemistry can matter more than how many moves you can cram into it.
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I'm all about pro-wrestling as escapism, but the pre-Mania media blitz has had an undeniable, unmistakable political element. This isn't us talking about the tariffs or the deportations or DOGE, this is dialogue about the WWE, Triple H, Nick Khan, Roman Reigns, and John Cena. If those entities/names don't qualify as fodder as "Pro Wrestling Only," I don't know what does. As for enjoying WrestleMania, I'll still be watching it as I usually do - over the course of a few days, while I exercise - and I'm hoping to enjoy many of the matches. I am willing to accept that, even just by watching, I am supporting this awful company and its awful people because I am part of the statistic the company uses to promote itself and sign ever more lucrative deals, one of the 5 or 10 or however many million people who watched WrestleMania. But I don't buy merch. I don't buy tickets. I don't buy video games or toys or replica championship belts. I tell myself my Peacock subscription is going towards the Law & Order franchises, giving Homicide an eternal streaming home, and, hopefully, more seasons of Killing It. This also won't be the first time I've waffled on my view of CM Punk. At times, I really like the guy and what he stands for. I like that he goes out on TV wearing tee-shirts that support causes he believes in. At other times, I think he's a selfish egomaniac (which makes sense considering most of his celebrity "punk" friends are also unapologetic capitalists and, in some cases, groomers or groomer-adjacents). But if the rumors are true and Trump shows up tonight, then, yeah, he can eat some shit for it. It doesn't make him a hypocrite or a scumbag...but it also means he can drop some of the holier-than-thou rhetoric and reflect a little on what he truly has done for the business and "the boys." He's been a trainer. He's given advice and supported others. He walked out of the WWE for his health and sanity. He's done a ton of charity work. But lots of guys have done those things. Its great, I support all of it and applaud him for it, but you can basically say the same thing about any number of guys, including Moxley and Christian and Cody and others who have done these things or similar things. He's a guy who does good things, but that doesn't make him the Ghandi/Che Guevara/Rosa Parks of wrestling. In fact, the three guys I mentioned earlier - Mox, Christian, and Cody - did more to to make the non-WWE wrestling landscape a better, more lucrative place for "the boys" than Punk ever did. Moving on to Triple H...yeah, he's always been a fucking doofus. Still carrying water for his rapist father-in-law. Nice to see Linda in the crowd too, taking a night off from trying to make sure kids with disabilities never learn to read. Also, to keep it PWO, Triple H is one of the most overrated wrestlers in WWE history and you can tell that he's the type that laughs at his own jokes loudest. Oh, and Taker's induction speech...yikes. Felt like the Phenom google-searched "Hall of Fame induction speech wife ideas" on the flight and then selected the cliche that he thought sounded the smartest without actually considering if it was remotely true. I'd feel bad for Michelle McCool, but well, you married this brain surgeon. Her new Hall of Fame ring will go great with her tacky-ass True Patriot tee-shirts. Undertaker said how important she was, making it possible for the women of today to do what they do. He must've confused her with Mickie James, Ivory, Gail Kim, Molly Holly...I mean, I thought these types hated stolen valor?
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Finally finished the show... - Not sure why everyone isn't going ga-ga over the Bayne/Toni Storm match. An easy MOTY contender to me* and a real feather-in-the-cap for Toni Storm. If you're not a fan of AEW because of Ospreay or Omega's style or you're not into gratuitous bloodshed or you dislike the Bucks or you think Adam Cole looks like the "bad boy" from an after-school special set in junior high, Bayne/Storm will still knock your socks off and prove that the promotion still has something for everyone that enjoys pro-wrestling. Note the huge response to Bayne kicking out of the Storm Breaker. More is not always more. Kicking out of a dozen finishers is not as big a moment as kicking out of one believable match-ender. Nobody expected Bayne to win, but that kickout had me wondering if she might actually win. That's a feeling us longtime nerds don't usually experience and a testament to the way that match was worked. Great, great match. - The rest of the show had its highs and lows. It was too long. It had too many matches. The middle section felt like filler to me and mostly because, surprise surprise, it featured several storylines that have really only been established on Collision (the clear B-show). So, I'm not surprised that Jericho/Bandido and Cole/Garcia got somewhat tepid reactions. They were also probably the two least interesting matches on the card. Jericho/Bandido veered into "cheap," unearned sappiness with its focus on Bandido's family at ringside and the wacky Dusty Finish while Cole and Garcia exposed both guys' unfortunate limitations. In Cole's case, its the unfortunate truth that, like Brian Pillman in 95', there are just too many wrestlers with too much more athleticism and innovative offense for him to really stand out as an in-ring performer. And because he's back to being an undefined "tweener" - is he a cocky jerk? a beloved underdog? a gang leader or a man standing on his own two feet? - his character has no hook. As for Garcia, he's still clearly "putting it all together" and there's no shame in that...but when guys like Fletcher are accelerating faster on the card with their physiques and ridiculous movesets, its hard to get excited about a Daniel Garcia. - Speaking of guys who have turned their game up: Ricochet has been a real treat to watch and I thought he and Speedball were the MVPs of their "fireworks show" match with Omega. Now, that's not to say Omega wasn't good too - they all were sharp - but, yeah, its going to be hard for Adam Cole or Daniel Garcia to climb the ranks when you've got Ricochet and Speedball doing what they do and Ospreay doing what he does and Takeshita and Kyle Fletcher and Swerve...There were elements of the triple threat match that I did not like, including the really bad habit of wrestlers (male and female) to "push off" their opponent when they have him in a pin at 2 or to blatantly position themselves for certain moves, but overall, how can someone hate a match that was so clearly built around the concept of "What if we do THIS?!?" God bless the dreamers who are still trying to give us something new in 2025 when some of us thought we'd seen it all when Rey Mysterio Jr. came on the scene 30 years ago. The Triple Threat wasn't my favorite match of the night, but for those that hate it, rein in the vitriol. Be indifferent to it. I'm indifferent to most every Marvel movie after the first Spiderman and the first Ironman. I just wasn't super interested in them. Its okay to be indifferent. Its okay to say "Not for me, but I'm glad people enjoy it and they're not wrong for enjoying it." That was the triangle match to me. Was it my MOTN? No...but it was fun and I'm glad this sort of match can happen and be enjoyed by lots and lots of people and I popped multiple times watching it just because of how crazy some of the spots were, especially Bailey's multiple flipping knees things. Those were awesome. * I'll admit - in terms of current wrestling, I only really watch AEW and WWE PLEs, so I know there's probably better matches out there happening...but between WWE PLEs and AEW PPVs and TV, we're still talking hundreds of hours of current wrestling programming and Storm/Bayne was special.
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My assumption would be that Penta, being 5 years older and having a much longer resume than Ricky Starks is one reason. The other reason is because I suspect Penta and Fenix were a package deal and that comes with some added leverage and motivation to push Penta right out of the gate. I'll also make another assumption - Penta and Rey wanted to go to the main roster for main roster money. Unlike Starks, who was kinda "WWE or Bust" at this point, I assume the Lucha Bros could've freelanced around the world and been in relatively high demand in Mexico, Japan, UK, Australia (?)...and then also probably still signed with TNA. If the WWE wanted them, with the exclusivity the WWE demands, they had to make it worth it. I don't think Starks had the same leverage in that sense either. Finally, I also think that because Starks has that reputation - at least online - of being "Cody's guy," I'm guessing there was some discussion about why going to NXT for a little bit would maybe get some of that supposed "heat" off him and allow him to prove he's not a prima donna or whatever the reputation from leaving AEW was. Yes, Cody might be his buddy and Punk might be his buddy, but its still pro-wrestling and there will always be backstage politics where, if the wind blows a certain way, you can find yourself benched. Going to NXT, working for (and getting along with) Shawn, showing that you don't see going to NXT as an insult or "step down," is a smart move.
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Only watched the first hour but I thought it was solid. - Don't mind watching Kenny squash somebody. Blake Christian has a really good "sizzle reel" on YouTube so I wouldn't mind seeing him pop up more on AEW TV (I think his mannerisms, facial expressions, attitude is even more impressive than his moveset)...but AEW's problem isn't that they don't have enough time or enough wrestlers, its that they have arguably too much of both and so guys (and gals) come in and out and get cycled through and lost in the shuffle or just go from relevant to irrelevant within 6 weeks (according to Cagematch, Private Party haven't had a match on TV in 2 months). Blake Christian is a guy they don't need because the roster is so bloated, but he's a guy I like more than some of the guys on the roster. - Curious where this MJF/Hurt Syndicate thing goes. I don't think Hurt Syndicate is really over over as babyfaces. Like, yes, they get pops and people like to chant "Hurt People Hurt People," but I'm not sure fans are really going to rally behind Bobby Lashley in every situation. Seems like TK is playing with fire a bit. MJF really, really needs to stay heel after that corny face run and, theoretically, Hurt Syndicate v. Bill and Keith is positioning them as faces...but are the AEW fans really going to cheer for Bobby Lashley over MJF? When the size differential is going to make MJF look like the underdog in the fight? When Lashley is an ex-WWE guy and MJF is "our scumbag"? When MJF still gets his fair share of cheers when booked against just about anybody? I like that this storyline feels messy - which is different and fresh - but, yeah, I don't have much confidence in TK being able to stick the landing. - Speaking of Hurt Syndicate, boy did Big Bill biff that promo against MVP. I've seen some online try to blame MVP for "burying" him, but I dunno, between that bad "American Psycho or Iceberg Slim" line (not clever enough to warrant going over the heads' of most of the audience) or using the word "bitch" after MVP had already used it - and delivered it - with more gusto, its hard not to "bury" someone when they're digging themselves into a hole for you. MVP was hired to talk shit and he did it and did it well. TK made the mistake of putting Big Bill out there to "match wits" with a guy he's paying for his mic skills/charisma.
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Awkward promo, awkward feud. The next big babyface in the Women's Division is Liv Morgan just as soon as they separate her from Rhea/Dom/Judgment Day, which I assume will be post-Mania. Just like with the men, the age of WWE being able to just choose someone and hope the fans get behind them is loooong over. Today's fans root for the guys and gals that meet a few criteria: - Established catchphrases/personas (usually developed as heels) that become fun for the audience to participate with - History of being on TV for a long time, putting work in, "deserving" a big push - Online/"smart" fans believing they are being "held down" - Over huge as heels, get heat, become "villains you love to hate" - Noticeable in-ring improvement (usually a criticism/opinion made most towards women who fans believed "couldn't wrestle" when they were called up) Liv Morgan is That Girl. She's also been posting lots of pictures of some of the gnarly injuries she's sustained, which have inevitably led to comments and re-tweets with people basically saying that she's the hardest-working woman on the roster. Its right out of the Foley playbook. Its hard to boo a performer who is punishing herself nightly for our enjoyment. Post-Mania, if they run Charlotte/Liv on SmackDown, Liv is going to have huge crowd support. Meanwhile, Tiff, who still has plenty of years to improve and establish herself, was probably too new to really get that grassroots support. Again, look at the criteria above. She doesn't check off many of the boxes.
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Keeping the title on Mox any longer is just TK falling for sunk-cost fallacy. Put the title on Swerve. There's a whole bunch of matches that TK can run in various formations that would get over huge with the audience before they even consider putting Mox or Cope in the title picture again. And pull Jay White out of this mix and let him cook with the good workers again. Swerve/MJF Swerve/Ospreay Swerve/Darby Swerve/Kenny The aforementioned Swerve/Page (though, I'd hold off on that). Meanwhile, you've still got Kenny/Ospreay in the works, Kenny/Darby, another Kenny/Page match, plus Kenny/Ricochet, Darby/Ricochet rematch, Jay White should be in the mix, Fletcher needs to continue to be utilized and booked strongly... And what do you do with Mox? To be honest, I think you pull him off TV for a minute. I know Mox does not have many fans here as a worker or as a "wrestling personality" or whatever. I think where they went wrong was venturing too far from what it was that *did* work with Moxley. I think fans want to cheer the guy. Yes, his promos are corny. Yes, the work is loose and sometimes flat out poorly-executed. Yes, he blades too much and his brain seems to be a bad idea factory set to 12 at times...but I think there's a "He's Our Idiot" element to it, a "Say what you will about Moxley, but he did come to AEW and go to Japan and show up at indie shows because he absolutely loves the ugly, messy, crazy side of pro-wrestling and wants to live and do ALL OF IT." And that part of Moxley is the endearing part. He is earnest. And because that's the one element of Jon Moxley that comes across on TV and is actually weirdly enjoyable and engaging, we're deprived of interacting and connecting with him when he comes out and bashes the company as his gimmick. And so he basically has "go away heat" with a significant portion of the audience who hate this storyline, hate this gimmick, and just want good ol' ass-kicking, blade-jobbing Mox to do his shtick somewhere on the card every night and try to top himself with a staple gun or a shard of glass or whatever. Stale bread is edible, dogshit isn't. Get him off TV, let him do some international wrestling if that's what he wants to do or take a vacation, and then, down the line, find a time to re-introduce him as the baby-face and don't overthink an "explanation" for the turn. You don't need to. It's wrestling. And, in this fantasy-booked scenario, I'd push PAC as the new leader and actually give him some serious, high-profile wins. He's not a PPV main eventer and probably never will be, but when your company is built around guys like Omega, Ospreay, Swerve, Darby, OC, Page, etc...PAC is, like, right there, 1000% capable of raining stars on your Observer review (and I'm not trying to be glib). The big hits of the show this weekend were the matches that were just straight-up bonkers with sequences and high-spots and craziness and PAC is very good at that athletic style.
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I'm cool with people not liking it and owning it as something they personally find difficult to watch. Is it misogynistic or sexist or whatever...I don't care, I think its okay to just find it "icky." There are worse things people choose to hate that they should be judged on than whether or not they want to see women do blade-jobs. It worked for me because I found it to be very amusingly and absurdly over-the-top in the same way that Toni's Timeless gimmick is. Its like, the Timeless gimmick is soooo heavy-handed and deliberate and extra as the kids say. It is absurd. So, if she's going to do a big, tasteless hardcore match, it has to be equally extra and over-the-top and absurd. Like, a trickle of blood wouldn't work - it needed to be BUCKETS. And it was.
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I doubt TK has the self-actualization to admit where things went wrong, but yeah, it must be at least a little painful. That being said, I don't think CM Punk "worked" in AEW because, as anti-corporate as he might seem, its clear he works best in a place with defined parameters, a clear pecking order, and strong organization. I think Ari Emanual, Nick Khan, Triple H, etc. are all scumbags, but for Punk it seems like he's happier swimming in waters where the sharks don't hide that they're sharks and your status and creativity liberty is attached to your accomplishments. AEW isn't run by saints either; I'm just saying organization/strong central leadership/clear vision are not things AEW has ever been known for. I mean, Otis isn't going to be given a live mic and told to cut a worked shoot promo about The Rock holding a belt he's never earned. LA Knight probably doesn't have the clearance to say "Go Fuck Yourself" on Peacock/Netflix. Its clear who can and cannot do and say what. But over at AEW, Punk took some umbrage with perceived on-screen jabs at him that had nothing to do with his storyline coming from guys he didn't think were high enough on the pecking order to make. I didn't get through all of RAW because, like going back to a bad restaurant that has 1 or 2 great appetizers, somewhere around the 60-minute mark, I gave up. The opening segment was EXCELLENT. Gunther/Otis was...okay, but nothing I'd consider "must see." From there, show felt like it went into cruise control with filler segments and an Ivy Nile/Valkyrie that was also fine but...yeah...two 10-12 minute matches in the first 60 minutes of a wrestling show is not my cup of tea. I mean, I get it, Elimination Chamber recap videos are going to be a big part of the show, but it was just too, too much. Reading the spoilers of the main event, I'm glad they went with a swerve. I'm not sure if the reasoning is to give Rhea a big win at Mania (winning the championship is always treated like a bigger deal than just retaining it) or to actually elevate IYO. Including her certainly doesn't hurt things. Rhea/Bianca is a big time match and big time storyline, but it almost feels rushed because Bianca has spent so much of the past year in tag storylines involving Jade and Naomi and that is clearly her "main" story right now. Making it a three-way gives them some more options with booking and also allows them to escape having Rhea or Bianca get a clean victory over the other. Its pretty insane that they've been kept apart for 5 years (their last 1-on-1 match was on a Takeover in February 2020).
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Good segment, but not an all-timer. I think its really hard, post-Bash 96', to really get that huge, seismic heel turn because, post-Bash 96', we as fans are now somewhat trained to believe that even the most heroic of heroes can turn. That being said, Hogan's turn was also bigger and better because it was Hogan's turn as part of Hogan's story. This was John Cena turning heel in service of a multi-year Rock/Cody program. It was more akin to the way Austin turned to join Vince than it was an nWo moment, a turn that was famously abandoned by the end of the year and not remembered fondly by anyone. It also doesn't help that, for all the awful, awful, horrendous things we know the Hulkster for, he did, at the very least, understand symbolism (or at least Kevin Sullivan did?). The segment ended with The Rock whipping him with a belt, not Cena hitting him with an AA, or, even better, hitting him with a You Can't See Me fist-drop, which would've got NUCLEAR heat. In the segment I saw, John Cena was a side character, a lackey, he's Bebop and Travis Scott was ostensibly Rocksteady. And Cena's also balding and pale and Hogan was, to his credit, only one of those things in 96'. I wouldn't call it a total misfire because Cody telling The Rock to fuck himself was huge. But this was not nearly as good as it could've been. It also didn't help that McAfee didn't have the wisdom to not talk until after the turn, which is what Cole did (I'm not even sure Wade Barrett said a word for the last 20 minutes, which was also smart). WWE commentators are important wallpaper and, throughout this show, I felt like McAfee really showed how much he is a podcaster/talking head and not a storyteller, annoyingly bringing up that the fans booed the US national anthem (I know, PWO) apropos of nothing multiple times. The big moments of this show needed less commentary but McAfee didn't get that because he's literally paid millions to talk non-stop for hours a day. EDIT - Oh, and as for Travis Scott throwing "shoot" punches. These guys are pro-wrestlers. I'm sure Cody can handle a few potatoes from a guy that weighs maybe 160 pounds and probably hasn't been in a real fight since grade school. Its like none of you have accidentally hit your head on a low ceiling or slipped on ice. Yeah, things hurt. It doesn't mean the guy who built my house with a low-ass basement was "taking liberties."
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Ryan Nemeth is suing CM Punk and AEW and Tony Khan
DMJ replied to The Thread Killer's topic in Pro Wrestling
I just don't understand, aside from a potential six or seven-figure pay-off, what Nemeth is thinking he might gain here. And, against the Khans' lawyers, I don't even think that pay-off is guaranteed. Meanwhile, his name is now mud in both AEW and the WWE and will have a reputation as someone who will sue you if he thinks you're not booking him enough or meddling in his affairs. -
Not sure what's up. I tried catching a replay and its not on MAX nor was it on Hulu yet as of around 8 AM EST. Hoping there's just a delay or something because usually stuff is made available overnight. Anyone have the scoop on why this show isn't up yet?
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This probably isn't the right thread for it, but what's crazy to me about Starks is just how "pick me" its all coming across. Like, dude, you are setting up yourself like Sting begging to be Ric Flair's tag partner or something. I know things are different because Vince isn't in charge anymore, but I don't see Triple H feeling much differently about Starks than his father-in-law - specifically that Starks hasn't actually accomplished all that much, his gimmick isn't super unique, he has charisma but so do lots of people, he's a generous 6'0'' at most, and, most importantly, he burned his AEW bridge and now that WWE and TNA are working together, they're the only other game in town. He's played the opposite of "hard to get." They are going to lowball him and then put him on NXT, which is probably the right thing for his growth, but certainly isn't the "slam dunk" career-wise I think he should've been working towards. From there, I don't think its guaranteed that he's going to get a big push or anything. I think they already "made a point" with Ethan Page and they don't need to re-make it with Starks. But, personally, if I were him, I'd see if TNA were interested in a shorter term deal. To me, Starks still has to prove he can be a top-top guy in a much smaller pool before I see him as even close to a big deal in a company like the WWE.
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I also watched most of Raw for the first time since the Netflix show and, before that, many years. I had the day off work and had f-all to do this morning. I skipped through it a bit, but thought what I saw was mostly okay-to-good. - I'm not a fan, but Jey has to beat GUNTHER at Mania. I'm a far bigger GUNTHER fan, but it is what it is. GUNTHER will be fine. He's in the best shape of his life, over as a heel (which means, he'll soon be over huge as a face), and works a hard-hitting but manageable style on a relatively lighter schedule than the superstars of 10 years ago. Jey is really over with the WWE live audiences, though, and needs to get the W if they see him - and we have every reason to believe they do - as being a top babyface for the next few years. 39 isn't super young, but it isn't super old either. What's kinda crazy is that Seth Rollins is a year younger than him, but has been a main eventer for coming on a decade so he feels like he's from a previous generation. - Speaking of Rollins, much to my surprise, I have found myself enjoying his segments more now that he's separated from the championship picture. It took working with Punk and Zayn and Drew this past year and not appearing on every show, every week for me to actually care about his character. This wasn't his best work, but I disliked it less than others it seems. - Was glad to see they're going heel with Charlotte. It did not take the audience long to react negatively towards her and I'll give her some credit: if this promo was at all going to be a litmus test for how to move forward, she 86'd the compassionate plea for fan acceptance fairly quickly and went right into heeling it up. My question is whether she can really "go" anymore after all the injuries and time off. She looked pretty rusty at the Rumble (which could be expected) and she was never super smooth. That being said, I think she delivers in big matches and am probably a bigger fan than others. Lastly, I know its really wrong to say this but I'm a little worried if her ability to express emotion is going to be hindered a bit by her...uh...cosmetic choices in the face department? I'm probably in the minority, but I thought her expressions used to be awesome, whether it was the obnoxious, arrogant smirks and eye-rolls or when she'd "Hulk Up" and get super-pissed like in the Rousey match. - Was Liv vs. IYO the best actual match of Liv's career? I know in terms of audience interest and stakes and all that, Liv's feud with Rhea was much more heated, but I thought they tore the house down and I liked the finish and how it could lead to Rhea/IYO squaring off in the future. I don't expect IYO to win the title or anything, but a Rhea/IYO match sounds like good TV. - Liked Zayn/Punk a good deal too. Finish never felt like it was really in question, but there were still some cool sequences and the drama was there. Zayn is so, so good at being the underdog and I liked that Punk inserted a little bit of his trademark asshole-ishness at times. If Punk ever does go heel (and I'm not sure he really will or even could as so much of the audience is just dyed-in-the-wool Punk fans), I'd love to see Zayn be the guy he worked with because the chemistry was there and I think the promos would be fire too.
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- Not sure I watched the same Women's Rumble as everyone else. It was wrestled better, but the booking was all over the place. The only two who got to come in and really eliminate anybody were Nia and Flair. Roxanne Perez beating Bayley's record was...okay....I guess...but if you're on-screen for 60+ minutes and I can't think of a single thing you did in that time, its meaningless anyway. Last year, Tiffany Stratton came in and turned heads. That's what this match needed from the "future stars of the division." The only newcomers who really shined were Lash Legend, but mostly because she is so physically impressive, and Jordynne Grace, who should've had more eliminations. Did she have any? - Speaking of Grace, she got a huge response, but not as big as Alexa, who seemed like she got the loudest pop of the match. I wasn't surprised. Bliss' return might have been predicted by many(despite the "dirtsheet" rumors of her not re-signing), but it still felt "feel good" and special because Bliss has that star power "It" factor and has been off-screen for so long. - I also wasn't surprised by the tepid response to Nikki Bella at #30. For starters, I think many fans were hoping for Becky Lynch, especially after watching Charlotte's return and the way the match proceeded with her overtly being made to look leagues above everyone else. Becky being "the Charlotte Slayer" would've been a moment. But its also worth mentioning that Bella was a star for the company in the mid-2010s, an era that hasn't quite come around yet in terms of real "nostalgia factor." And, even back then, while there were pockets of the IWC that eventually came around to respecting Nikki's improvement as a worker, its not like she was ever universally loved. She also spent most of her career as a heel, which means you're not going to get that same response that you might if, say, the IIconics showed up (who were heels, but comedically appreciated). Nikki was never a "fan surrogate" type and that's a critical piece for getting over as a babyface these days, it seems. - How many returns does it take for someone to just be considered part-time? Should Trish Stratus appearing at a Rumble even count as a surprise anymore? Without checking the numbers, I feel like she's been around for a few of these by now. - I get wanting to present Vaquer and Giulia to the widest audience possible...but Rumbles probably don't play to their strengths in terms of getting to show off what they can do. Filling 30 spots means you kinda need to put anybody you possible can in there (and given their respective experience level, they are obviously among your best options of actually being able to perform without fucking up), but this is also where cramming people you want to make look "special" into matches where they have almost no chance of looking special is a bad idea and how you get to folks like Zoey Stark, Lyra Valkyria, Sonya Deville, Baszler, Candice, Michin, and others looking just like "bodies." - As for the Men's Rumble, what else is there to say? This one was booked so damn well. Unlike the Women's Rumble, it felt like the producers went in with a clear plan to *make* some people and have them leave impressions, most notably Penta (40+ minues), Bron Breakker (that spear on the YouTube guy was vicious), and Jacob Fatu (multiple great moments with him). I'd also say that, in terms of star power, this one really rivals the early 90s Rumbles with a murderer's row of ex-champions in Roman, Rollins, Punk, Rey, Cena, Sheamus, AJ, Finn... - I smirked a little when Michael Cole mentioned that Andrade had returned to the WWE at last year's Rumble. I don't think Andrade would be doing all that much better over in AEW right now, but if the plan was to come to WWE and become a much bigger star, the plan has definitely not worked. - That stomp on the floor from Rollins to Reigns looked brutal and like he stomped him with both feet. - Loved Braun eliminating Fatu in a rather "quiet," unexpected fashion and then, within 60 seconds, John Cena showing up. It is that kind of attention-to-detail that I thought really helped this Rumble because it was a very effective way of "hiding" Fatu's elimination after allowing him to shine for so much of it. If Fatu stays in the match too long, you kinda risk him "stealing" the match when, for now at least, there is clearly still going to be more focus put on Cena, Punks, Rollins, Roman, and, now, Jey Uso. - Speaking of Jey Uso, I was not expecting him to win, but I get it. Speaking to a buddy who attended the show, he said that, the whole weekend, every restaurant he went to, every street he walked, he saw wrestling fans and those wrestling fans were wearing Yeet gear. Even at the school I work at, though you don't see much wrestling gear being worn, this year, when I have seen a kid wearing a wrestling shirt, it's been a Jey Uso one. Ultimately, the WWE has the numbers and they know who is moving merch and Jey Uso is that guy (even if I'm not personally sold on him as a singles main eventer). Someone else commented that they don't think they'll run GUNTHER/Jey again but I think that's the plan. On a WrestleMania card that will likely be loaded (Rollins vs. Punk vs. Roman? Cody vs. Cena? Logan Paul vs. AJ Styles?), I don't think its not a "big enough" match. It won't close a night, but it will fill time. My main issue with it is that it will be the second year where "the story" seems near-identical to GUNTHER's last WrestleMania build.
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I'm excited for the show. DIY/MCMG should be good and maybe even great. I'm not sure it needed to be 2-out-of-3 falls, but I don't watch the weekly TV so maybe that stipulation has something to do with the rivalry. I just like the idea of an old school tag match between two seasoned, "real" tag teams being featured on the show. Rockers/Orient Express vibes. I think the Men's Rumble is a bit of a toss-up and I like that. I can see Cena winning and us getting GUNTHER/Cena at Mania, but I can also see a screwy finish involving Seth and Punk (and maybe even Drew) that leads to some sort of multi-man at Mania. Then there's Roman and The Rock and the cliffhanger with Heyman owing Punk a favor and you'd have to imagine that this story might also include Cody...but, then again, I can see them maybe wanting to distance Cody from The Bloodline after that being the focus of the past 2 Mania shows already (in which case, going back to Cena, do we get Cena/Cody instead?). Then there's also the idea that there is so, so, so much time between now and Mania that GUNTHER holding onto the belt that whole time might not be guaranteed. Some years, you have a clear winner or maybe its between two...this year, I feel like Cena, Roman, Rollins, and Punk are all possible winners with some "longshots" like Randy Orton (Cody vs. Orton at Mania wouldn't be out of place on a stacked card), Logan Paul (there's a lot of time between now and Mania to build around the massive heat him winning would generate and move some pieces on the board to get to Paul vs. Babyface Champion), and The Rock (Cody/Rock is always there, but so is Rock/Roman and so is Cody/Roman/Rock in a 3-way).
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- Ospreay turning on Omega would probably be my final AEW straw. - Hobbs feuding with the Learning Tree is fine for TV, I guess, but I kinda liked Hobbs vs. Death Riders way, way more because it actually made Hobbs seem like he mattered. Hobbs in an extended program with Claudio would probably do him a ton of good and unless the match was particularly bad, I'd be up for 2-3 battles with Hobbs getting more and more competitive with each successive match. They don't need to be 20 minutes. Give me an 8, a 10, and a 14. - Speaking of Death Riders, I thought the segment with Renee was interesting in the sense that they played it very straight and didn't really mention the elephant-in-the-room (Mox and Renee's marriage). I tend to veer on the "less is more" side, but this might have been too little of an acknowledgement. I kinda wish Mox had at least said something like, "We've talked about this, Renee..." or "You know me better than anyone so when I say..." or "Renee, you know what I'm trying to do here, but its all these blah blah blahs who don't understand what we are trying to do..." - So glad MJF didn't help Jarrett win, which I thought would be the finish after Mox's interference (and lead to an MJF/Mox match that I don't think should happen yet). MJF/Jarrett is another feud that is fine for TV, but I don't really need it explored for weeks and weeks much longer. I don't think Jarrett will truly retire anytime soon, but why not run the match as a retirement match anyway? Its pro-wrestling. How many retirement matches did Funk have? Flair had at least two and supposedly wants another. Jarrett should have at least 3-4 before he really hangs them up and the first being against MJF would be cool with me.