Alan4L

Man, i've never even considered a list of this magnitude - I have no idea where guys will fall until I sit down and try to do up a rough draft. I could say top 30, and that doesn't feel at all wrong, but then if I went to map it out he may end up way higher or way lower.

Bam Bam & Vader vs The Steiners and Bam Bam vs. RVD are two of my fave Bam Bam matches that I don't think were mentioned here. I haven't watched a ton of ECW house shows for instance but between his WWE run, the Windham match, a good amount of his Japanese and ECW matches, I think I have a good enough feel for him. He's not overflowing with ****3/4 matches like a Bryan Danielson, but he was a really unique, fun wrestler who I'd always enjoy watching. My list is most likely going to feature alot of those guys peppered in amongst the "hundreds of GREAT matches" guys just because I don't want to make it solely a quantity focused exercise. Whether Bammer will be one of thse guys I'd find a spot for I'm not sure. He'd be competing with the Tajiri's of the world for me.

I am pretty squeemish when it comes to Deathmatch stuff (I try to avoid it) and I never found Jimmy's stuff to be overly grotesque or excessive aside from perhaps the IWA I Quit match they had. Here's what I'll say on this. I think I'm in the middle ground here. I really really like Jimmy Jacobs. During 2006/2007 I thought his character work and his big matches were all great. He did a tremendous job overcoming his size disadvantage. I thought his brawls were awesome brawls and I thought his top "workrate" matches were awesome workrate matches. That said though, he was never my favourite guy on the indies. Probably never even top ten. Thus when you're talking about 100 greatest of ALL TIME, I'm sorry but Jimmy doesn't come close for me.

Granted he was 1 of 10 involved but he was in the 92 War Games from the start and that may be the best WCW match ever. His performance was incredible.

Same feelings as you guys. There are way too many incredible wrestlers to be using a spot on Hogan because he was a megastar.

I'm sorta in the same boat. Not going to close the book on him though by any means. He's going to be one of my priority guys as far as watching stuff goes for this project.

An absolute genius of pro wrestling and one of the most talented ever in terms of in-ring skill. He was arguably the MVP of the M-Pro Golden Era, and he quietly racked up a great portfolio of work through the 2000s too. Soft spot in my heart for this great moment of my wrestling fandom: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6MmkdQ09_dY

Was sure I was going to have to be the one to make this nomination - glad to see I was beaten to the punch. Nobody better steal the Sekimoto nomination from me though!!! Anyway, Generico! To me, he's right there with Danielson for the best run on the indies of this era. So many matches that I would consider truly great. Singles against Steen, Cesaro, Bryan, CIMA, Shingo, Sekimoto, Ibushi, Richards, PAC, Del Sol, Ricochet and countless more. He knew how to put together a real worked singles "epic" which so many guys on the indies try and fail to do. Then what a great tag wrestler he was. He could be the ultimate face in peril or an explosive hot tag. Teaming with Steen he had amazing bouts against Age Of The Fall, The Bucks, Speed Muscle, New Hazard, Quack & Jigsaw and of course some of the best US indy matches ever against the Briscoes. He also had a bunch of great tags with other partners like Paul London and even Quicksilver! He was the king of PWG and at times the most popular wrestler in ROH but he could also go anywhere in the world, be it Germany, England, Japan and even RUSSIA and get over instantly in front of any type of crowd. I saw him live for the first time in 2007 in a small little GAA hall in Ireland. Nobody in the crowd had a clue who he was, but even that soon into his career he was a smart enough worker that he knew exactly how to get over. It was amazing to watch. He was a great babyface, a great seller, he could fly, he could base, he could brawl like a motherfucker (check out the Boston Street Fight with the Briscoes for what I feel is one of the best brawling performances I've ever seen), and he could even play aggressive quasi-heel on rare occasions like the first PWG Ricochet match. As far as carrying storylines and feuds, the Briscoes feud in 2007 and the Steen feud in 2010 are his peaks but I also really liked the subtle storytelling of the Cesaro rivalry (I wouldn't say feud) in NXT.

This match holds up pretty much exactly as I remembered it. It’s all about escalation. Big spectacular spots that just keep topping the prior one. Not a huge story to it past both guys fighting through these bombs until finally one got outlasted. With the length they go, and with the style of match this was, it’s amazing that it doesn’t ever drag (maybe it does for some but it didn’t for me). I probably didn’t like it quite as much as I did in 2008 – but not far off. At the time, I remember a lot of the stuff they did here was super innovative and new.

I liked this a lot for what it was – a knock down drag out slugfest. It’s easily one of the best Saito performance I’ve ever seen – his stuff looked so good at the end. Akiyama was the ring general, making sure the match stayed together and he got the best out of his young opponents.

I loved this match. They’re so gassed by the end but it almost adds to the story of the match. It’s old Misawa and giant Takayama going 20+ minutes – of course they’re gassed!!! The finish is so perfect with Misawa walking through all that Takayama had left to offer and landing the kill shot himself. They built this perfectly, it was intense, the crowd loved it and it was STIFF. Maybe top 30 for me.

My piece on Jun Akiyama's HOF case. I hope people enjoy it! http://fightgameblog.com/2014/09/wrestling-observer-hall-of-fame-2014-the-case-for-jun-akiyama/ Also my show with Todd and Justin talking LOTS about the Hall. Both parts free at F4W! DR. KEITH PRESENTS: The 2014 Wrestling Observer Hall Of Fame! Votes have been coming in, the debates are strong and soon we will know where the people stand! But enough about Scotland - the Wrestling Observer Hall Of Fame ballots are out and there is A LOT to discuss. To discuss it, we've rounded up our good pals - the RG3 & Kirk Cousins of Raw Reviews - Todd Martin & Justin Shapiro! The conversation about the likes of CM Punk, Jun Akiyama and co. was so mighty that we needed to split it in two = and BOTH parts are FREE right here at www.f4wonline.com - so CHECK IT!!! PART 1 - http://media001.f4wonline.com/free/091714dks.mp3 PART 2 - http://media001.f4wonline.com/free/091814dks.mp3

I'll send you my word docs

I've got fairly comprehensive lists of my ratings from 2007-2014 if that's any use to Mookie. Only issue would be lucha not having a huge presence on them.

For me, Taue needed to do more in the 2000s to push him to HOF level. He had some good moments, and even some great ones (the Marufuji match in 06 and the nostalgia title run) but he also had alot of rough patches. Due to his body type being not the most durable, he was unable to have that "veteran who can still go" run that someone like Tenryu had or that Akiyama is having now. Another knock on him was that he wasn't ever used for big matches outside of his home promotion. Compared to Nagata and Akiyama who were brought in by other promotions to have dream matches, carry tournaments and even title runs.... that hurts Taue for me.

Definitely a more "epic" version of the February match and the crowd response to Kojima was something to behold. Tenryu working so hard at this stage of his career really is a testament to him. Normally I'm never one to say this but if they just finished it 3-4 minutes earlier and done 2-3 nearfalls less I think it would have been alot better. I felt that the got past the point of diminishing returns and ran out of steam a bit. It was still really really great.

I would absolutely love to be a part of this if ye'll have me! I'd say it'd be enjoyable regardless of whether you factor in drawing/stage on top of pure match quality. I'd be fine either way, but I do think that factoring in all elements may make the Hall more "legit" if that's even the word. I also think 10-15 years before eligibility is a good idea because it means we limit how many matches need to be considered at the outset. It'd also be fun getting a new year's worth of matches from the 2000's every year following. I think these categories would be good: -pre 1980s -WWF 80s -WWF 1990 and onwards -Territories (I think I'd include pre-WCW NWA stuff here) -WCW -Indies -Japan 1980s -Japan 1990 and onwards -Lucha (seems like there'd be less need to split this into periods) -Europe & The Rest This is a really, really great idea.

haha, warrior!

Awww that sucks so much! I feel your pain buddy

just noticed this thread, thanks for the feedback everyone. I'm glad the show was enjoyed!

Completely blown away by everything about Takeover. The presentation, the atmosphere, the storytelling, the matches and the greatest man in wrestling PAUL HEYMAN. Honestly I thought it was one of Paul's best nights ever, he was so great every second he was on screen. Charlotte vs. Nattie was one of the most shockingly great matches I've ever seen. I thought it had potential to be a fun match, but I had no idea it could turn into the epic that it did. Every reservation I had about Charlotte is in the bin now. She's going to be incredible. Breeze vs. Zayn took a bit of time to get going, but when it did.... boy oh boy. Those last 7 or 8 minutes were phenomenal. If they had hit the Pumphandle Orange Crush smoothly I think the roof would have come off the place. Unfortunately I think Breeze was too big. It always looked amazing when PAC took it from Generico. Really clever finish to the match as well. Neville vs. Kidd suffered from the crowd being tired, and they had alot of time to fill so maybe it wasn't the dynamic match that it needed to be to get the crowd super into it. That said it was still a really solid World Title match and I thought things like the Chasing Russian LegSweep and the super rana looked unreal. A million thumbs up for this show! I don't know how many things they've produced that clicked on as many different levels as this. They created new stars, they produced legitimate drama, they had great wrestling, an enthusiastic crowd response and their production with the amazing video packages and graphics was out of this world. Most importantly, they seemed just really likeable as a company. and I almost forgot my favourite bit of the show. THAT RUSEV KICK!!!! MY GOD!

Oh God, this was the toughest thing I've ever sat through at a show. Nothing against the four guys but the atmosphere in that place was excruciating after one of the more problematic shows I've seen. I was standing at the door with one foot outside when they counted three.

Fine with this extension but I wouldn't like it to go on into 2015 - that'd be too far away

looking forward to rewatching this after that review!

Yes! it's alot of fun and very unique.