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A person could also argue that there is a certain amount of both objectivity and subjectivity in the way most of us look at wrestling. What the standards for the objectivity or the bias behind the subjectivity are is what sets every person apart as a fan. Acting as if it has to be all one way or all the other seems a bit off.

I think it'd be a lot easier to like what they are doing with their lower card guys like B & M, Enzo/Cass if they weren't feuding with each other. Neither is ready to carry a feud at the moment in-ring. Enzo/Cass can get by on the mic. If you're not using Solomon Crowe for anything at all why not give him a tag partner and have him take a run at B & M? Couldn't hurt to have a more experienced guy in the ring with all the youngsters. And the Vaudevillains can at least keep things interesting enough as heels on their own that they would make a good foil for Enzo/Cass. I think the current feud and the fact that neither team or their lady friend is ready for it as far as the in-ring side of things and one side isn't ready on promos makes it a really bad idea. I understand that they have to learn, but this early in the learning process it's nice to have somebody to guide them through it.

And an indirect influence on my internet handle. Now tell me, who are you?

I am in agreement with you Steven, but there is a point to be made here. Let's take two matches and compare them. Something deemed as a high end garbage match from the ECW heyday or Japan or wherever (I'm not into this style of wrestling) up against Giant Baba vs. the Destroyer 2/3 falls. I'd say we're in one of the few places where the Baba match is "better" on the internet according to more people than the other way around. Are we right? Are the majority of the rest of the internet who would pick the high end garbage match because it isn't "boring" right? I agree that the El Gigante example is far easier to decide for most. But there are a lot of areas where those value judgments we apply to things are very easily questioned outside of this immediate bubble. So I have a hard time with being totally dismissive of anything, despite some of my earlier remarks concerning Kobashi and some of the 2000s Japan matches I watched.

I would say that a Ric Flair match is closer to most people's ideals than an El Gigante match. But to those who prefer El Gigante I would not feel the need to tell them they are wrong. I also think that there is a reason there are garbage wrestling promotions, shootstyle promotions, lucharesu promotions, Japan-influenced indy promotions, lucha libre promotions, womens promotions, you name it. Because everyone likes different aspects of wrestling and there is at the very least a small amount of interest in seeing these varied types of wrestling matches. Just because Parv, Grimmas Poneglyph,Will, Loss or whomever might be watching wrestling does not think that a style or worker is worth their time that the style or worker should be dismissed as a "good wrestler". All of it exists because there is at least a small niche of fans who love it. To put forth the idea that it cannot possibly have value seems very shortsighted.

I'm debating what any of the last 3 pages had to do with wrestling at all. I'm of the opinion that wrestling is one of my favorite things. Whether it is defined as an art or a craft or whatever, I fucking love it. There is bad wrestling to be sure but that comes with every form of entertainment. There is definitely an art to pro wrestling when done at it's highest levels, but I don't know that qualifies wrestling to be defined as an art if I come right down to it. Either way, it seems like a debate to be had when there is nothing else demanding my attention.

This argument that Heyman creating this idea of a "golden era" for both the wrestlers and the fans at the time seems like an odd thing to use against him as a promoter. It seems like that would have been his main goal at the time and his success in achieving it seems like something in his favor. I would imagine that any promoter would want to create the illusion that right here, right now is where you want to be as a wrestling fan. That Heyman did this is an achievement that should be lauded for.

To further illustrate Poneglyph's point I will go this route. There are All Japan tag matches and six mans that are 3.5 stars in a lot of people's eyes. There are more select tags and six mans that are 4.5 and 5 from the same promotion. Are those 3.5 star matches now "bad" because you look at them in relation to those other tag matches? Does that affect how they are looked at in relation to an American match from the same time? So yes, there is the chance that an El Gigante match can be "good" in comparison to a worse El Gigante match. And from a certain standpoint it could be said that a particularly "good" El Gigante match may be comparatively better than his average and therefore preferable in a sense to a "bad" Flair match that is just as "bad" in relation to an average Flair match. Having said that I think it's a wrong way of looking at anything. However, that is my opinion and I'm sure there are those who may take that tack and I will not say they are not allowed to do so. I would also agree with OJ as well. Like what you want to like.

From my reading online it seems that Lyons was wrestling until 1984. Don't know how this should be handled.

I like the idea of having a Japan booker as well. This is a nice twist.

Steve Regal

I left instructions with goc in the event CFCW makes his pick right after I leave. If not, I will be making my pick first thing in the morning.

I thought that as faces they at least had interesting spots to insert into a match. Now all they have is a valet/part time wrestler who comes out with them that makes them interesting at all. There is some truth to the idea that they shouldn't be doing a bunch of cool shit because they are heels. It may hurt them a little bit that any cool shit they do at all will overshadow Enzo/Cass so they have to be extra bland to make them look good.

I'll be around all day tomorrow. I can let goc know what's up when I go get all my hairs cut in the afternoon.

That Gran Apollo match reminds me of a tag match between Choshu/Yatsu and Jumbo/Tenryu. Yatsu gets out of control after Jumbo refuses to brawl with him. Higuchi and Choshu try to calm him down for a bit and then the bell rings. I love that match.

I'll be out of bed in 7 hours. I think I'm safe on that front.

Show me a link and I'm there.

Honestly being Montreal made my draft a lot easier. Getting big names there besides Bravo and Leduc was something I could put off in favor of guys I wanted to build that would disappear. I almost made it on Bravo or Leduc, but if all I missed out on was those two it was a pretty good draft.

The tournament to crown new Canadian International Tag Team champions has been finalized. Dynamite Kid and Davey Boy Smith will indeed be in the tournament, as will the Cuban Assassins from Maple Leaf Wrestling. Also announced for this card, NWA Canadian champion Rick Martel will be defending his title against "Canada's Strongest Man" Dino Bravo. Rumors have been circulating about another big Montreal Forum show on the 30th of July involving Andre the Giant. These are unsubstantiated at this point, but further details will be forthcoming. edit: The team name for the Tongans has been changed to the Tongan Terrors as I felt it was more indicative of their gimmick.

Yeah, I think that's the weakness of having only a play-by-play guy. If you have a heel and/or face color guy there is quite a bit more to be done with announcing. Or even just a semi-heel guy who can live with some of the stuff heels do but only wants to see it go so far.

Shy, quiet type ladies. *wink, wink* Yeah, Rude always was really shy.

In about 10 minutes I am up for some Vancouver.

I'm busy watching some AWA.

Gille Poisson

I thought the highlights of NXT were the beginning and the end. The mixed tag match was forgettable but well structured, the women's squash was fine for what it was. I liked the Dusty tribute and want to spend all day looking up Dusty promos now. Hard times indeed. The main event was at least good even if it could have been more. Then again, you want more on the blowoff match, not the initial one.