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Battlarts is indeed what you are looking for. And the prickish guy you mention should probably be Daisuke Ikeda. He's great at making Ishikawa and Otsuka's headbutts seem completely and totally warranted, despite their brutality.

Williams/Ace vs. Misawa/Akiyama 6/7/96 for the World Tag Titles Williams decides to get in Akiyama's face early, then when he's bodyslamming him really hard starts talking shit to Misawa about it. Ace is tagged and Misawa is in the ring to take on both Ace and Doc. Misawa is tagged and trying for a very early tiger suplex on Ace, but Williams comes in and hits a tiger suplex on Misawa instead. Nice touch there. We then clip to Misawa finally making the tag to Akiyama. Akiyama misses a jumping elbow on Ace, who tags Williams and the gaijin start going to town on Akiyama. Misawa comes in and cleans house again, and this time puts exclamation points on it with a Ricky Marvin plancha to one gaijin and an elbow suicida to the other. Misawa gets tagged in and hits a tigerdriver on Ace for a nearfall. Ace breaks up a pin after a Misawa Geran, then hits a doctor bomb. Akiyama breaks up a Doc attempt at a backdrop driver and Misawa tags him in. Akiyama wants an exploder, but instead takes a backdrop driver. Misawa has to cover for the youngster and fight off both, then rolls Akiyama to the apron. Akiyama rolls outside while the gaijin use numbers to get the advantage and hit a doomsday device on Misawa. Williams rolls Akiyama in for an immediate nearfall by Ace. Things get really chaotic with pin breakups and interference on big moves. Misawa hits a floor tigerdriver on Doc. Then he hits the ring and hits a tiger suplex on Ace when it looks like Williams might recover before Akiyama puts Ace away. Akiyama finishes the job with 3 exploders. Another really good tag with Misawa/Akiyama. Akiyama is awesome as the spirited youngster who can take and dish out a beating. Misawa as the big brother, protecting Akiyama from the bully gaijin even at his own expense was pretty great too. Williams was great as usual as the monster heel gaijin. Ace didn't fuck things up at all and actually came out of this looking really good. Apparently this got MOTY, but I honestly thought 5/23 was a better match. This was definitely a great wrestling match though. Kawada vs. Taue 6/7/96 for the Triple Crown Kawada does his stretching, kicks Taue in the leg, then Taue...does Kawada's stretching! Awesome. Kawada starts the kicks to the face. Taue hits a big German and Kawada is bailing. That leads to a rail guillotine whip. Taue lays in the usual offense, then they tease the nodowa. Kawada's not having it, they end up working to the Kawada wakigatame takedown. He turns that to a jujigatame when Taue rolls through and won't give it up when Taue reaches the ropes. The armwork continues for a bit until Kawada goes back to kicking Taue in the face. Taue blocks a gamengiri, which hurts his arm and leaves him open for a gamengiri. Kawada gets a few 2 counts that nobody in the building believes are going to put Taue away. They go to the floor again and Kawada ends up kicking Taue off the apron, which Taue had done to him earlier. Kawada teases a powerbomb, hits an enzuilariat off the backdrop and hits a halfway-lift powerbomb that everybody also knew Taue would kick out of. Taue hits a neckbreaker drop off an exchange that gets a completely dead 2 count. An apron nodowa is teased, Kawada goes back on offense. Taue pops up after an enzuigiri and hits a nodowa. Dynamic bomb follows for the first 2 count anyone was buying. Taue hits a nodowa, Kawada's not staying down long enough to pin, another nodowa after a short exchange finishes it. This dragged really badly in the middle. There were certainly good parts. Kawada hitting the most awesome jumping high kick ever was nice. I get Kawada working the left arm to fuck with people blocking his gamengiri. Makes sense. Kawada in his early nearfall section did a backdrop that was actually almost flat in the landing. Don't know if that killed the crowd (he's obviously not too interested in winning if he's taking it easy with the backdrop) or not. Even the powerbomb, his last (and I would guess it was supposed to be his "big" nearfall) got no reaction at all when Taue kicked out. I really didn't mind the match even with the lull in the middle. The crowd wasn't that into it though. Kawada is Taue's weakest match-up so far anyway. The really good matches can get up there with Misawa and Kobashi matches, but the rest lag well behind them.

They were all at Wrestlemania? I could see that....

Benoit/Sullivan was all well and good except for Sullivan being miles away from any damage to himself while kicking the crap out of Benoit. Benoit is taking all the stiff bumps while Sullivan will use any wrestler trick in the book to not hit his head on anything hard.

Kawada vs. Kobashi 5/24/96 Kawada gets a 3 count with Kobashi's foot on the ropes early off an enzuigiri. Then he beats Kobashi down mercilessly until he starts fighting back. Once that happens, Kawada ends up with a dangerous backdrop instead of just kicking Kobashi in the face. Kobashi pops up and lariats Kawada. Really? The backdrop has been a finisher and is still used right before the powerbomb from time to time to soften the opponent up. And Kobashi, who has already taken a decent amount of punishment uses THAT as his cue to transition back to offense? Anyway, Kobashi returns the Kawada chops, adding his own touch to when Kawada won't let himself be pulled up. Then he goes on offense for a bit, some of which is very, very good. He teases the powerbomb as well, which adds to the symmetry with Kawada's earlier offense. Kobashi hits a jackknife powerbomb for 2. They tease the Kobashi dragon suplex leading to Kawada using the Kimura takedown that Sakuraba used to break Renzo Gracie's arm. Kawada does some arm work, then Kobashi reverse with the same takedown and does some arm work. They forget all about that as soon as it's done. Kobashi gets his dragon suplex for a nearfall. Kawada gets his powerbomb for a nearfall. He's favoring that same shin he injured against Akiyama last match. Kobashi does a sleeper into a neckbreaker drop for 2, and the crowd doesn't care. So he does it again and the crowd pops for him. Kawada does 2 gamengiris and gets the 3 after selling the shin. I'm all about Kawada vs. Kobashi, but this is nowhere near their best. There are a few times where it drags even though it is just over 19 minutes. The armwork in the middle was filler, pure and simple. No effort was made to make it anything else. They went through their nearfalls well enough, but that neckbreaker drop stuff at the end bothered me. I'd take their 95 CC draw over this in a heartbeat. Misawa vs. Taue 5/24/95 for the Triple Crown Right away we establish that Taue has to do better than crown chops against Misawa's elbows. Then we show that Taue knows Misawa's tricks and can counter them. Taue goes way too early for an apron nodowa, even if he did just pull up the mats and DDT Misawa. Misawa hits 4 high flying spots in a row on Taue after a flying lariat. Juniory . They go back and forth on learned counters with Taue coming out on top. Misawa frankensteiners out of a powerbomb, but eats two MASSIVE German suplexes from Taue. It's right HERE that this match gets interesting. The crowd starts believing that Taue might actually beat Misawa. Then Taue makes them believe it more with a dynamic bomb for a big nearfall. Misawa hits a weak elbow, but fights off a nodowa. Taue DDTs him instead and hits the nodowa (really well, too) for another, bigger nearfall. Misawa elbows Taue then rolls to the floor. Taue gets backdropped out of a floor powerbomb. Misawa can't make a tigerdriver or a tiger suplex stick, so they have a short exchange and Misawa hits his own big German. He is quick to follow it up with a tigerdriver for a molten nearfall. Misawa tries the same running elbow twice in a row and Taue rushes it, countering with a neckbreaker drop for a nearfall on par with the nodowa. Taue has upgraded to headbutts in response to elbows. Taue shoves Misawa into the corner and tries the corner nodowa only to get armdragged. Misawa hits a rolling elbow for another incredible nearfall. Misawa gets a few rolling elbows ducked and has to fight off nodowa attempts. Running elbow! Misawa goes for the diving neckbreaker drop that won against both Kobashi and Taue in the CC and has it turned into a nodowa for the 3!!! Taue is the champion! The crowd chants his name, Misawa can't believe it. I thought this match was far, far better than the previous. Taue has always been, despite being very power move heavy, a very intelligent wrestler. The way he beats Misawa is not by overpowering him or being better throughout the whole match. He outsmarts Misawa by being a move ahead at the right times, including the nodowa that gets the 3. It's not at all about him being lucky or not booked strongly. It's playing to the character of Akira Taue. He's got his limitations as a wrestler, he knows it, and he's smart enough to work around them and work very focused. This match plays to all of that very, very well. Also, the nearfalls are absolutely incredible in how they are built. After the two Taue Germans, the nearfalls do not come rapid fire, but they are absolutely awesome in how they build all the way up to the end. I'd rank this below their CC Final of last year, but not by a whole lot. This match was 100% about Taue and who Taue the wrestler was. Misawa played his part really well also, but that is to be expected.

Count me in this group. Once I'm finished with 90s AJPW, I'll probably be putting a lot of time into 80s wrestling both stateside and Japan as well as the 2000-2009 puro project Ditch is doing. From there I have about 5 different directions I could easily go wrestling-wise and I'll probably eventually get to all of them. Not to mention that from what I've seen of current WWE I'll be vastly more entertained by all of the above. Not saying it's awful or anything, just don't dig the wrestling style even if it is loads better than any WWE product I've watched in a long time as far as in-ring goes.

Misawa/Akiyama vs. Holy Demon Army 5/23/96 for the World Tag Titles More Akiyama. Oh, and there's the other 3. Akiyama opens vs. Taue and hits an early exploder. The faces really work over Taue early. The heels turn it around and try the same on Misawa. Akiyama is tagged in and ends up doing a number on both Kawada and Taue in turn. Taue takes another small dose of being in peril. Just as Taue seems to be turning things around on Akiyama, it's Misawa to the rescue. Until Kawada kicks him in the face. For reference, Akiyama has been slapping both heels in the face quite a bit. That is pertinent because Kawada and Taue take several minutes to slap Akiyama in the face as hard as they can. Then pull him off the mat and do it again. Then when he's not moving anymore Taue just stands over him, slapping him across the face. Then Kawada comes back in, kicks Akiyama around a bit and gets in mount to, yes you guessed it, slap him repeatedly across the face. The heels stop with the slaps and just beat the crap out of Akiyama for a while. Poor bastard, even if he sorta goaded them into it. The apron nodowa is teased, but Misawa fights through being kicked in the face by Kawada to save his partner a lot of pain (and probably saves him from eventually taking the fall as well). The faces turn things around and start working on Taue again for a short time. Kawada lariats Misawa as he tries to hit a tigerdriver on Taue. The heels get some nice nearfalls on Misawa before he frankensteiners out of a powerbomb, hits a rolling elbow and tags. Akiyama comes in and gets one nearfall before Kawada turns things around with a gamengiri. Kawada is looking a bit gimpy after throwing that gamengiri. Misawa hits his Ricky Marvin plancha on Taue after a scuffle in the ring. Kawada still gets a massive nearfall on Akiyama even after a long delay on the pinfall attempt, Misawa ends up having to break it up AFTER his plancha. Akiyama attacks the leg with a dragon screw and hits a nice German for a nearfall, with Taue breaking it up. Taue knocks Akiyama into Misawa, but Akiyama counters a backdrop with a crossbody. Misawa holds off Taue as Akiyama hits not one, not two, but THREE exploders in sequence to put Kawada away. Kawada was on his feet too quickly to pin after the first 2. That was freaking awesome. Akiyama makes his mark in this match, first holding off both members of the Holy Demon Army before taking a massive beating, then delivers late when Misawa hands him the spotlight. Misawa is his usual awesome self, putting over the heels while getting his own offense in. Taue and Kawada are great as foils for the youngster Akiyama, no-selling just enough to not kill what he's doing, then selling it more as Akiyama turns up the heat. The tag strategy was solid, too. Misawa and Akiyama target Taue and really try to focus on him a lot. Kawada and Taue try to take Misawa out of it early and really work Akiyama over once the chance comes up. In fact, they get too overzealous (and a bit cocky) in working the kid over and that really is what swings momentum back to Misawa/Akiyama when they really have Akiyama on the ropes. At that point Misawa is still not recovered from the earlier offense fully and Akiyama is damn near dead. Without that section of offense for Misawa, this is a completely different finishing run. Also, Akiyama pinning Kawada is poetic justice after Kawada's disrespecting Akiyama in the earlier tags.

@Ditch: It happens less there than here in the States. I have to guess that a lot of the holes in that Southeastern footage that goc is doing write-ups about exist somewhere deep in the vaults of an obscure TV station somewhere. That or they used to until somebody found them and figured they were useless and trashed them. Would people like to see that Misawa vs. Kawada match because they enjoyed the rest? Sure, if they knew about it. How many would really be chomping at the bit for the network to air it though? Like jdw says, this board is a niche of a niche of a niche. We are a very small percentage of wrestling fans, so stuff like this that drives us nuts really doesn't affect enough people for the networks to care. However, there is one thing about that particular Kawada vs. Misawa match that intrigues me about the build. Misawa is in charge at the end, hitting big stuff, but barely able to stand after blocking a Kawada kick. Most of their draws had Kawada really pressing to put on one of his big moves, sort of a "what if?" ending. So Kawada had to have done some real damage in the preceding 28 or so minutes for that ending. Oh well, I don't hold much hope for that. Kawada/Albright/Ace vs. Misawa/Kobashi/Akiyama 4/20/96 Two of these things are not like the others...but hey, Taue is busy in the next match on this show, so we get this random tag. Ace is pretty awful, completely blowing his moonsault and really not adding anything to the match. Albright is...mixed. Some of his stuff with Akiyama is actually pretty good. The rest is forgettable besides his big suplexes towards the end. The natives are pretty great, though. Misawa is Misawa, as usual. Kawada and Kobashi have some really awesome MATWORK! And as always, nice strike exchanges. I could go on for about 3 or 4 paragraphs as to why Kawada vs. Kobashi matwork is absolutely incredible. I won't though. Kawada and Akiyama are great too. At one point after a strike exchange, Kawada slaps Akiyama across the face full force. Akiyama takes a moment, gets in Kawada's face, then proceeds to get himself kicked, bodyslammed, then kicked in the back so hard it hurts me watching. Akiyama gets up and gets in Kawada's face, but Kawada is bored with kicking his ass and tags Albright. Akiyama hits the sweetest exploder setup ever on Albright, smoothly hitting it as Albright bounces off the ropes from a jumping knee. Kobashi bounces Kawada 3 or 4 inches at least off the mat with a powerbomb. It's fucking sweet. The finishing stretch is 6-man chaos and the finish itself is not what you expect. Ace was supposed to be put over by hitting Misawa with big stuff at the beginning of the finishing run, but he blew half of it. Taue vs. Williams 4/20/96 CC Final Odd matchup, but they get right into it and the crowd and I are both liking it. Really great corner break struggle to start, followed by another tie-up and a few shoving matches after the rope break. Williams works a nice sleeper, but the second time sees him get backdropped out of it. Williams backdrops out of a powerbomb to go back on offense. Williams stays on offense a while, hitting a HUGE spinebuster and powerslamming Taue in from the apron during this stretch. Taue hits a big German and teases an apron nodowa, but that just ends up letting Williams back on offense. Somewhere in this match Williams started bleeding from above his right eye. Taue hits a neckbreaker drop to turn things around and manages to get the apron nodowa. The bump Williams takes is understandably not that bad looking. Williams manages a backdrop driver after that nearfall and both men are on the mat wondering if anyone got the license number of the bus that just hit them. Wiliiams follows up big though. The doctor bomb he hits on Taue is ridiculously huge. He throws him up high enough that Taue pauses in midair momentarily while Williams adjusts his grip before the powerbomb part. That is so badass. taue hits a Dynamic bomb for a nearfall. Then he CRUSHES WILLIAMS' FACE with a jumping kick that I'm still not sure came from Akira Taue. The nodowa that follows for the 3 is nice too, but that kick is fucking ridiculous kids of stiff for Taue. Also, nice to see the nodowa getting some love after it almost seemed to be just a nearfall since the dynamic bomb came into being. This was not a great wrestling match. It had good subtle things at the beginning, extremely impressive power stuff from Williams throughout, and some really great Taue offense at the end. The story went: Taue usually doesn't have trouble overpowering people, let's see how he handles a monster like Williams. And it did work, just not on the level of a lot of 4 Pillars matches.

Woo! 1996 Champions Carnival time! Taue vs. Kawada 3/31/96 CC One of the things I love about these guys is they pull no punches even when facing each other. The opening exchange is great, capped off by a Taue nodowa. He immediately decides it's time for the apron nodowa, but gets an enzuigiri off the apron for his troubles. Taue is still up first and hits a tope that could have been a lariat to the floor. taue gets backdropped out of a floor powerbomb. Kawada ducks a lariat and Taue's left arm nails the post, which sets up the Kawada offense for the next while. Taue finds himself in the same position on the outside a while later and backdrops out of a powerbomb. He does one of those nodowa pushes into the railing, then hits a nodowa after peeling up the mats. Kawada is staying as far from the center of the ring as possible, which leads to a fight over an apron nodowa. Taue settles for a running big boot off the apron. Kawada hits a desperation gamengiri and there are Kawada chants going. Taue sells a stretch plum big. Kawada turns a scissors sleeper into a choke (on his tag partner!) for a nearfall. Kawada teases a powerbomb, then a German, Taue goes on offense and after a bit...does the same. Taue isn't letting Kawada off the hook though and hits the German to massive reaction and a big nearfall after a failed Kawada nosell. Taue tries another German, but Kawada hits the spinning neck chop and hits his own German for a big nearfall. Kawada hits a massive powerbomb nearfall. Taue gets an equally massive nearfall off of....wait for it.....this will probably surprise you....a neckbreaker drop. You know the wrestlers involved in a match are doing their job when a running neckbreaker drop is that massive of a nearfall. Taue hits a dynamic bomb but starts falling over just before the 2 and can't keep Kawada down. Don't know if that was planned or not but it was great. Taue is setting up a nodowa when the bell rings. If you are going to go to a draw, that is the way to do it. This is up there with the Kawada/Kobashi CC draw from last year in terms of greatness. Misawa vs. Kobashi 3/31/96 CC You know, going in I'm worried after that last Kobashi vs. Misawa match. But I'm proven wrong pretty quickly. Misawa counters out of two very early sleeper attempts differently. The chop is clearly given lower priority than the elbow early. They do one of their realy good counter sequences into an early Misawa German. Kobashi rolls outside only to get elbowed in the face by a flying Misawa. I like how Misawa is the one going big early this time. Misawa overplays his hand when he (very predictably) goes for the diving elbow after rolling Kobashi in and gets dropkicked. Kobashi works some good headlock sequences, then hits a vertical suplex where Misawa's momentum from jumping runs out before he gets 90 degrees to Kobashi. So Kobashi just deadlifts him the rest of the way. That was god damn awesome. Kobashi runs through a lot of mid-match submissions and moves for 2 counts (suplex, side legsweep) instead of blowing his wad so early. Kobashi hits a really nice short neckbreaker drop to cut off a Misawa comeback. They go through an exchange where they both hit a big German coming off of a strike exchange and the other guy nosells, hits a big strike and falls over. Misawa frankensteiners out of a floor powerbomb only to get Kobashi's shoulder to the face. Then they go into the finishing sequence. Yeah, you have to see this to really appreciate how awesome it is. Kobashi has a real shocker in there. As does Misawa. This match was so much better than the TC match 5 months earlier. But it would have never happened without it, so I understand. So 3/31/96 was a loaded show with those two matches on it. Crowd was ROCKING by the end of both. Also, they really put the German suplex over as a big weapon for every one of the 4 Pillars. Not only that, Kobashi and Kawada are doing the awesome midmatch matwork again. Taue and Kobashi working shoulderblock exchanges with Kawada and Misawa rocked too. Great stuff. Misawa vs. Kawada 4/14/96 CC So this is the last 2:50 of the match. Kawada hits a huge powerbomb on Misawa that the crowd is going nuts for. During the recovery, the camera shows Misawa with blood smeared across the right side of his chin. Misawa fights off a dangerous backdrop and hits a tigerdriver to massive crowd reaction for a nearfall. Misawa hits a massive running elbow to set up a tiger suplex for another hot nearfall. Kawada has an abisegiri blocked, but Misawa stumbles into the corner. Bell. Okay, WHY was there blood on Misawa's chin and you didn't show us what caused it? If the crowd is that hot for the nearfalls, I want to see how this got built. Sadly, will likely never happen.

Misawa/Kobashi vs. Holy Demon Army 12/10/95 RWTL Finals The heels employ the same strategy as the last match these two teams had, taking Misawa out early. This time with the Doomsday Device style nodowa on the freaking floor! Big moves have been flowing from the get-go here, just like the Kobashi vs. Misawa match. It plays a little better in this setting for me. Kawada and Taue start working over Kobashi's left arm. Kobashi powerbombs Kawada out of a triangle, but Misawa gets kicked off the apron and the Holy Demon Army is still in control. The work to a double armbar before Misawa comes in and does his Misawa thing. Misawa gets the tag and starts working over Kawada. Taue uses the worked-on arm to break a Kobashi seeper and get Misawa out of a stepover facelock. taue gets the tag and looks for the corner nodowa, but Misawa elbows out into a missile dropkick. Taue hits a nodowa to stop a tigerdriver attempt and the heels go on another long stretch of offense. Kawada hits a powerbomb for the first true nearfall of the match, as the crowd didn't buy anything before it. We are just shy of 20 minutes in. Don't really know why they are going for pins on all that early stuff despite it being "big". We know they aren't going under 25. Kobashi makes the rescue, fighting off both Taue and Kawada to allow Misawa the chance to tag. Kobashi immediately loses control and Misawa has to break up an apron nodowa attempt. We're 22 or so minutes into the match and Misawa/Kobashi have maybe 5 minutes not getting the worst of it. The finishing run is really, really good, with a few teases of things going the opposite direction that they eventually do. I really liked this match, it seemed to highlight Kobashi and Taue quite a bit. Early on, Misawa and Kawada are the big hitters for their teams, but as the match progresses Taue and Kobashi get their chances to shine. We get a bit more of the overdone early offense, which I have this feeling will be creeping more and more into the matches. Even so, great tag match. Kobashi/Akiyama vs. Holy Demon Army 3/2/96 for the World Tag Titles Akiyama is ready to go, giving Taue a little shove on a rope break. Okay, maybe a bit too cocky there as he spends the rest of the first part of the match being the Holy Demon Army's bitch. He armdrags out of a corner nodowa, but Taue's not letting him tag. Kawada is tagged and Akiyama starts fighting back. Kawada offers Akiyama the left side of his chin after a few elbows. Akiyama hits a few more, takes a bit more damage and hits a lariat to finally tag Kobashi. Kawada backs away from Kobashi and tags Taue. Kobashi is taking cheap shots at Kawada on the apron. Kawada gets tagged in and hits a few leg kicks while they work towards a knuckle lock. Then they do the awesome Kobashi/Kawada MATWORK! They make everything look like a struggle and it's absolutely incredible. Kawada slaps Akiyama on the apron, Akiyama responds but much harder. Kobashi tags Akiyama and Kawada does some more matwork, but this is a bit more junior-y and fast, where Kawada/Kobashi was a lot more gritty. Akiyama slaps Kawada again. Kawada stretches. Akiyama eats Kawada's knees and tosses him over with a release northern lights. Explodahhh! Here comes Taue, but Akiyama is going toe-to-toe with him before ducking a few slaps and hitting an exploder. Kawada is back in the ring thanks to Kobashi and fighting off a second exploder. Akiyama turns it into a German and the crowd is rocking. Kobashi is tagged in and uses several signature Kawada chop-related spots. Kobashi hits a moonsault and Taue has to break up the pin. A moonsault misses and Taue is tagged in. He hits a nodowa that nobody in the building thinks is going to put Kobashi away. The apron nodowa is broken up by Akiyama, who is then tagged in. He tries the same exploder -> German trick with Taue, but that's not happening. Akiyama kicks out of the nodowa/backdrop combo, then is saved by Kobashi from the dynamic bomb just before 3. Kawada locks on a stretch plum and Taue hits the dynamic bomb for the win. All four were spot on here. Kobashi and Akiyama as varying levels of underdog made this match a lot of fun. There were a few spots where it looked like they may pull off an upset, but the Holy Demon Army weren't having it. Alright, so 95 is done. There was a lot to like about this year. The Champions Carnival was incredible. Misawa vs. the rest of the Pillars was good to great depending on the match. There were some incredible tag matches and a very watchable 60 minute draw between Kawada and Kobashi. Taue finally brought his offense up to the level it needed to be at. He was always good at the little stuff, now he has the big bombs. Kobashi started making strides towards being more competitive with Kawada and Taue. All 3 were a lot more of a threat to Misawa. Then there is the bad. Hansen had an awful year. The two big TC matches were really disappointing. The style as a whole started taking the turn for the worse. Things were booked too long for the wrestlers involved. The last few matches involving Kobashi had beginnings of some of the problems with some matches I've seen from later. And really, to me, they all stem from Misawa being booked so strong for such a long time that Kobashi, Taue and Kawada had to do ungodly amounts of damage for it to even register. If they had stopped that sort of thing when they established those 3 on more equal footing, I think it would have worked just as well. Really looking forward to the excessive head drops, let me tell you.

Kobashi vs. Misawa 10/25/95 for the Triple Crown So, Kobashi hits an Orange Crush 3 minutes in. Then immediately powerbombs Misawa on the floor. Guess we're doing the Misawa extended comeback match. Kobashi hits a dragon suplex for two. Misawa looks to be coming back, but Kobashi ducks an elbow and works the right arm for the space of one submission. That's kinda odd. Misawa hits a backdrop out of a strike exchange and then starts destroying Kobashi with elbows. Kobashi sells for a very short, then comes right back and puts Misawa in a surfboard. Two problems with this. 1. Kawada took those same elbows in a tag and was "out" for about 5 minutes before he fought back again. 2. When Misawa and Kobashi struggle over a surfboard, I think of Kawada and Kobashi struggling over a surfboard and how much more they get out of it. Back to the match. Kobashi works a sleeper for a long time, then hits a half nelson suplex before re-applying the sleeper. Kobashi is killing Misawa here as far as the severity of these moves, and the crowd is starting to believe that Kobashi has a chance to put Misawa away. They don't yet, which may suggest a not so small error in how strongly Misawa was booked up to this point. Misawa elbows out of an apron backdrop attempt by Kobashi and finally goes on offense. He starts with a tigerdriver, which is probably good since he's taken about 2 matches worth of damage for most people. Misawa's offense does a number on Kobashi, and he is (if the crowd and my own reaction is not off) believably back in it after about 1/3 of the time spent on offense Kobashi has had. This with the biggest bombs Kobashi has thrown at him before he ever really started. Kobashi ducks a kick and hits a german for a nearfall to go back on offense. Oddly enough, Kobashi's biggest nearfall in the match is following a German -> Misawa elbow -> Kobashi dropkick sequence. The moonsault that came before it may or may not have been more convincing. Misawa again resorts to throwing elbows and suplexes until Kobashi is ripe for a tigerdriver 91. I get why they did what they did here. Kobashi was not at the level he needed to be to really pull off a slow build to a big run of nearfalls before Misawa finally put him away. He had to do lots of damage and fast to get any credibility going. It still makes for an awkward build and a match I didn't think was particularly great. I do like the continuing theme with Misawa's big matches. Since 92 and 93, the only person who has been able to truly push him has been Hansen. And Misawa will really streamline his offense down during crunch time with Hansen. Not a lot of wasted energy trying to lift with the tigerdriver. Not taking too many risks down the stretch with his more athletic moves. Just simple, elbows, maybe throw some suplexes in there, wear him down in a way that's not leaving you too vulnerable or taking too much energy to execute. Then Kawada, Taue and Kobashi all get that same treatment in 95. It's smart booking to me for Misawa to not really be comfortable being pushed around that time, since there wasn't anybody but Hansen or Doc who could push him. And it gets over the idea that now the other 3 are actual threats to Misawa. That's not saying I don't think he could have been booked a tad less strongly throughout that time.

Misawa/Kobashi vs. Holy Demon Army 10/15/95 They start out big with Misawa immediately hitting a nasty tiger suplex on Kawada about a minute in. Kawada is screwed and he knows it, so he rolls outside. The faces don't attack him, which allows him to roll back into the ring and tag Taue. Misawa tries to hit the tiger suplex on Taue, but that's not happening. Misawa tags to Kobashi after working on Taue a bit. Kobashi ends up on the floor, Taue hits a tope. Misawa wants to dive at Taue, but Kawada kicks him in the head to stop that. Taue has to fight a bit for it, but the apron nodowa is successful and Misawa is down & out on the floor. Kobashi is concerned, then just plain angry as he gets back in the ring. He takes on his two opponents admirably for a time, but then ends up taking a long beatdown at the hands of the Holy Demon Army. During which Kawada and Taue will turn their attention to Misawa and put the hurt on him while he's on the floor. Can't have him feeling ignored. Misawa finally gets back on the apron, Kobashi fights off both Kawada and Taue so he can tag. Misawa is on fire, taking apart Taue with some big nearfalls. He puts on a stepover facelock and Kobashi puts a sleeper on Kawada. Kawada is out after a good long while in that sleeper, perhaps Kobashi got some revenge for the choking out of Misawa there. Taue is now in peril for a while as Kawada is trying to shake off that sleeper outside. Kawada charges Kobashi while he's on the apron and starts going after the arm with a jujigatame while Misawa is still working over Taue. Kobashi rolls to the outside and starts selling the arm big time as Misawa comes to check on him. Kawada is nowhere in sight...oh wit, he's getting the tag from Taue. Love the distraction to get the tag. Kawada caps off a strke exchange (a very good one at that) with a gamengiri, then powerbombs Misawa for a nearfall. A second is powerbomb attempt is broken up by Kobashi, who is tagged in. Kawada goes back to the arm and we go to Kobashi in peril part 2. The heels work over the arm, with Kobashi rolling outside after some Kawada offense only to find Taue waiting for him on the floor. Tough luck there. Misawa is tagged after a Kobashi lariat, but the heels end up catching him on the top rope and do a great nodowa double team spot with Misawa on Kawada's shoulders out of the corner. Misawa counters an apron nodowa, looking ready to dive, but Kawada has an enzuilariat to stop that. Misawa frankensteiners out of a Kawada powerbomb and tags. Kobashi and Kawada decide to see who can kick the crap out of the other's limb more (Kawada's leg, Kobashi's arm). They go into a really nice finishing sequence that ends with Misawa again just trying to bludgeon his way to victory, but coming up short on time. Yeah, this was a really good match. The way each team was going out of their way to take somebody on the other team out of the match worked so well. It wasn't "work over the leg" type taking them out of the match. It was "come close to killing them" All Japan style isolation. And I liked even more that it was Misawa that started it with the super early tiger suplex. Then Kawada and Tue one-upped them with Kawada kicking Misawa in the face to set up the apron nodowa. Then (I think) Kobashi choked Kawada out a la Kawada on 7/8/95 to isolate Taue. And once all that was done, Kawada gets creative with the attack on Kobashi's arm to set up the faces for another control segment. Just when it looks like Kawada and Taue have finally got Misawa and Kobashi where they want them, Misawa decides to take over the match to get his team back into it after nearfalls on Kobashi and himself. The heels get a few shots in, but a big part of the stretch run is Misawa taking over and giving Kobashi time to recover for a quick run of nearfalls before handing it back to Misawa. Then Misawa is nearly out of gas, and when Taue fights back a little too much on a tigerdriver Misawa just starts blasting him with elbows in a desperate attempt to get a 3 count in the final minute. Really good stuff, lots of drama, could have ended at any point past 30 believably, which is amazing.

I would agree that great heels are very often the really crafty guys. Flair and Heenan come to mind pretty quickly. The other thing that makes a great heel to me is how vicious their personality is. It's not that they attack weaknesses and openings. Everyone does that. It's that they attack those openings and weaknesses to extreme levels, which tends to make you root against them. As far as what makes great faces, it's whatever it is they have that the crowd really wants to get behind. It's hard to pinpoint exactly what it is about Cena that the WWE fans latched onto and have really never let go of for over a decade. But they did. Same for any of the really big iconic faces. What did Liger have that made him THE face in Japanese juniors wrestling? Yeah, Misawa was chosen to be booked as the ace, but why did the fans get so insanely behind him in that role? What made fans want to see Hogan so badly? Those kinds of things are really undefinable to me, but to be a really top-notch face they are necessary. Heels can be more "created" than faces can be, or so I think.

Misawa vs. Taue 9/10/95 for the Triple Crown Misawa starts out hot, hitting an elbow suicida, teasing a tigerdriver, then hitting a tigerdriver for a nearfall before the 5 minute mark. Can't say I get the why of that unless they are going for "Taue is dangerous so he has to put him away early." Taue ducks a rolling elbow and this a nodowa for a nearfall to get control after going to the knee outside. Misawa makes a Taue DDT look particularly nasty. Taue hits a tope then teases the apron nodowa. Misawa fights too much and gets pushed into the guard rail from the apron. Misawa comes back in the ring with a rolling elbow followed by a German suplex hold for a nearfall. Taue attacks the knee again to slow Misawa down. There is another apron nodowa tease before a big dynamic bomb nearfall. They do the rolling elbow miss -> nodowa setup from before, but this time Misawa uses it to go back on offense after escaping the nodowa. He hits a big release German, they go back and forth and taue hits the nodowa, but it comes right after he is hit with a rolling elbow so he can't capitalize. Taue again goes to the knees, but Misawa counters the powerbomb attempt with a frankensteiner. Misawa with another nice release German suplex, taue headbutts Misawa out of some corner elbows and then hits a really nice release German (his second of the match). Misawa stands right up and hits a rolling elbow. Both are down for a while again, Misawa hits a spinning back elbow and a rolling elbow for the win. I enjoyed this. Not as much as the Misawa/Kawada sprint, but still good. Taue came close to hitting the apron nodowa twice and had a late shot at a second dynamic bomb that may have done Misawa in. He kept using the knee as a way to keep Misawa off-balance and cut his offense off. Never really "worked the leg" for an extended period of time in any way. The few things he did to the eye targeted the wrong eye, I thought that was odd. Misawa again had to just bludgeon his way to a finish over a strong challenger, rather than go for his more refined offense (tigerdriver, frog splash) late. That says one of two things (or both) to me. He's taking enough of a beating that he isn't going to risk being backdropped out of the tigerdriver when he goes for it. And/or he's tired enough that the effort it's going to require for a tigerdriver is too much, so he just has to rely on his basic stuff. Either way, it puts both Taue and Kawada over in the last 2 matches. Next is the second hour tag match of 1995. That is a day's work in and of itself, I think.

Kobashi vs. Taue 7/24/95 They tease the sleeper really early, but Taue does a stunner to put an end to that. Kobashi does a guillotine whip to Taue! Kobashi follows Taue to the floor, but that backfires and he eats a floor nodowa. Taue goes right to the Dynamic Bomb in the ring for an early nearfall. Huh? Kobashi rolls to the floor, Taue rolls him in and covers for a nearfall. Okay, why the nearfall after just rolling him back in? Taue hits some more offense, then teases the nodowa twice. Kobashi catches Taue with a back kick to the gut after an atomic drop, then follows with a big jumping legdrop. Kobashi starts on offense, Taue makes the mistake of going to the floor and gets powerbombed. Kobashi hits a jackknife powerbomb in the ring for a nearfall. Then after all of this they go into the usual early match stuff for a bit with a couple of sleeper teases worked in. Then Taue looks like he's setting up Kobashi for an apron nodowa, but Kobashi fights it off. Kobashi gets more offense, then goes into the MASSIVE sleeper sequence. You really have to see it to believe how into this the crowd is. He sets up Taue for the moonsault, but Taue rolls away. Kobashi isn't being denied right this minute and hits a moonsault for an insanely awesome nearfall. The kickout and crowd were soooo big. Then he inexplicably goes for a nearfall after a bulldog. A powerbomb sends Taue to the floor, where Kobashi tries to powerbomb him again after picking up the mats. Taue backdrops out to go on offense. There's the nodowa nearfall we teased earlier, and the crowd liked that too. A couple of counters later and Taue is teasing another nodowa as the bell rings. Then Kobashi fights it off and does that non-lifting nodowa toss thing afterwards..all after the bell. This match was kind of strange. They started out using finishing run spots (including a dynamic bomb!), then slowed down for a short time before paying off a few teases, then went to even steven reversals before the bell. The crowd loved the late nearfall sequence, and they really bought into Kobashi being close to putting Taue away. The match worked, but some of the weirdness of it bothered me. Misawa vs. Kawada 7/24/95 for the Triple Crown They start with some collar and elbow tie-ups, then avoiding each other's common spots. Misawa proceeds to run headfirst into a Kawada high kick. Then Kawada hits an abisegiri right to the injured eye! Misawa starts throwing elbows, but Kawada is merciless going after the eye. Kawada hits a powerbomb on the floor before going back into the ring and hitting a gamengiri to the eye. It's still too early for the powerbomb, though and Misawa turns things around. Misawa is throwing big elbows, then a couple of German suplexes that have Kawada reeling. A tigerdriver is teased, kinda early for that but I get it. Kawada is still aware enough to roll away when Misawa goes up top. Stepover facelock for Misawa, then he's trying another German. Kawada is hanging onto the ropes, but Misawa is stubbornly refusing to give up on the German. He gets hit with a chop and an enzuilariat for that mistake, which is usually the kind of thing that happens to Kawada in these matches. Kawada has a burst of offense, including the scissors sleeper that he has to re-apply after the ref makes him break it for choking. There is a strike exchange and misawa looks like he's going back on offense until he runs right into a drop toe hold. Kawada follows with a kick to the injured eye. Kawada goes into a big nearfall sequence that has the crowd buying his chances by the end of it. There's Kawada making that mistake with the backdrop while Misawa is grabbing the ropes. Kawada starts elbowing Misawa in the eye while Misawa is on his back! Misawa hits a rolling elbow for a nearfall that the crowd doesn't really buy. Kawada hits a dangerous backdrop but can't follow it up. Misawa ducks a gamengiri and starts hitting desperate elbows and suplexes until he finally gets a 3 count. The last tiger suplex is absolutely magnificent. Okay, this match rules. It's not as good as 6/3/94, but I love it anyway. Misawa is doing fine and the match looks like an upgraded version of the rivalry with the early counter sequence running a little long. The Kawada makes the statement that defines the match: "I'm gonna use the eye to beat you." And he forces Misawa into a very unfamiliar role, the guy who has to work from underneath. Misawa is busting out big moves early to try to make up the damage and making the mistakes he usually takes advantage of. Kawada is cutting off Misawa's comeback attempts (albeit using the eye as a crowbar to do so). Kawada looks like he has Misawa ready to fall, then the gamengiri misses. Misawa is on autopilot for the finish, and as soon as he has Kawada (who is exhausted from trying to put Misawa away) on the ropes he just bludgeons him into submission. I thought that Kawada came out looking pretty good with the big, believable nearfall sequence and Misawa's desperation rally-type finish.

Just so you guys get a visual representation of how much of a shameless silly bastard I can be...I give you this: http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab224/dawho5/stachepic_zpscb1072b9.jpg It was after a month and a half of growing out the 'stache for March Mustache Madness at work, hence the safety goggles. So when I do stupid crap like this thread, please understand.

On that Hash vs. Choshu match, it looked like Choshu's right arm was hurt going into the match. He was selling it as soon as he hit his big punch and never stopped. Then they were icing it on the way to the back. I got the feeling that Fujinami stopped it when he saw Choshu was just going to keep hitting lariats with an already injured arm until he made it worse.

Was not a huge fan. It played out to me like a '90s New Japan mat based opening transitioned into an extended WWE style finisher reversal-off. Tajiri using a MD2 after reversing a high angle facelock into a high angle facelock was alright. Hoped for more variety in the finishing run anyway. I remember Tajiri having a nice brainbuster and superkick, as well as lots of rare things he would pull out for big matches. None showed up here. I'm all for less is more, but they needed a bit more for this to be a good match.

Given that, if rapper counts, then John Cena may actually surpass Undertaker. Also, Mr. McMahon was pretty damn over for a long time with the gimmick of...well, being a cartoony version of himself. But at the same time the day job is 1,000x more successful in his case.

I enjoyed the Hell out of Hansen in the '94 CC. The whole thing he had going with his ribs was great and he did a great job of selling that while still getting in his offense. Other than that I agree with you on anything after 7/29/93 (so far). But how long had he been wrestling at that point? Also, I think the booking had a lot to do with the two TC bouts in 95. Why did they have him in two 30+ minute matches worked in a late 80s NWA Title match style in 1995 All Japan when the crowd clearly wasn't looking for that?

Well, I have to bring people down to my level somehow, Ditch. Makes me seem less lost.

Yeah. If you'd have told me that I would like an RVD match more than a Misawa vs. Hansen match, I can guarantee I wouldn't have believed you. Strange what odd/bad booking can do, no?

Misawa/Kobashi vs. Holy Demon Army 6/9/95 for the World Tag Titles Yeah, this was okay. Or the greatest tag match ever wrestled. Not going to do any kind of review or look at stategy or anything. 99% of the people on this board have probably seen it at least once. Watching it after seeing all the stuff going in made it all the more incredible. Misawa/Kobashi/Asako vs. Kawada/Taue/Honda 6/30/95 JIP and Kawada is tagged in vs. Kobashi. They do the spot where Kawada can't suplex Kobashi and gets suplexed after a big fight. Misawa is tagged in and the crowd is happy. Misawa gets the better of the exchange and tags Asako. Kawada gets the best of him, then puts both Kobashi and Misawa on the mat with elbows and kicks. Asako takes advantage and hits a suplex to go into the Kawada in peril segment. Kobashi has to roll out of the ring after a strike exchange, but fights out of a Taue floor nodowa. Meanwhile, in the ring Misawa and Kawada are going back and forth until Misawa hits a rolling elbow. Kobashi hits a powerbomb on the floor, leaving Taue down & out. Kawada finally tags to Honda, who has a pretty good exchange with Kobashi. Taue is tagged in, Asako breaks up the corner nodowa. taue isn't interested in taking the second rope flying shoulder, but Kobashi is just as disinterested in taking a nodowa. Kobashi tags Misawa, who has a series of erally nice exchanges with Taue. Taue tags in Kawada after a DDT. Misawa hits a powerbomb on Kawada (WHA??) for a nearfall. Asako is tagged, Honda interferes from the apron then is tagged. Misawa ends up setting Honda on top for an Asako frankensteiner. Kobashi comes in and looks like he's going to fight off a Honda German, but Kawada stops that by kicking him in the face. Kawada jumps in again and looks like he may be able to put Misawa and Kobashi down again to let his team finish, but Misawa turns the tables and clears both Kawada and Taue out of the ring. Kobashi hits the dragon suplex on Honda for the win. Always loved the chaotic 6-man Japanese tag finishes, and All Japan did them really well. Enjoyable tag for sure. Also, Asako and Honda did pretty well for being as overmatched as they were. Misawa/Kobashi/Akiyama vs. Kawada/Kikuchi/Ogawa 7/8/95 JIP, Misawa and Kawada are tagged in at the same time. Kawada goes straight to the injured eye with step kicks. What a dick. Kawada wins a strike exchange, then goes into his scissors sleeper. Only he's choking Misawa. And he refuses to let up! Misawa is out and Kobashi has to chop Kawada in the neck to keep him away. Kobashi takes on Kikuchi in the ring, then Ogawa is tagged in, then Kawada while Kobashi is looking a little tired. Kobashi comes right back to life when Kawada hits the ring, and they have one of their really intense exchanges. Misawa is up now and chomping at the bit to get in the ring with Kawada. He comes in after Kawada knocks down Kobashi to give Kobashi the window to tag, then UNLEASHES HELL on Kawada in the corner once he gets him there. Kawada is barely conscious after all those elbows. We get an extended Kawada in peril segment with a particularly awesome abdominal stretch by Kobashi. Akiyama misses a jumping knee in the corner and Kawada gives him an obligatory kick to the head while both are down before tagging. Ogawa and Kikuchi take the beginning of the Akiyama in peril segment while Kawada recovers. Right before they tag Kawada back in, they do this sweet top rope knee drop -> top rope double stomp -> top rope knee drop tag sequence. Kawada takes his time in the ring to toss some elbows at Kobashi and Misawa on the apron just because he can. Ogawa is tagged in and runs into a hiptoss off the ropes. Akiyama tags Misawa, who goes into his patented lucha-offense-on-Ogawa routine, but interference from the heel team allows Ogawa to tag Kawada. Kawada hits a lariat, then has Misawa in a stretch plum. A powerbomb is countered with heels to the face and Kobashi is tagged. Kawada avoids Kobashi's big spots before tagging out. They do the six-man chaos stuff, eventually Misawa is in the ring with Ogawa. A tigerdriver attempt is interrupted, so Misawa hits a backdrop while his teammates clear things out before Ogawa falls to the tigerdriver. The Kawada/Misawa/Kobashi stuff in this match was awesome. Misawa's fired-up revenge on Kawada was so much fun to watch. The Kawada vs. Akiyama stuff was pretty good too. I'd not seen more than 1 Kikichi match prior to this, but he's damn good. Ogawa was, well, there, as usual.

For the life of me, I can't remember which post I was reading while lurking around that day. Crap. Found it. http://prowrestlingonly.com/index.php?/topic/21638-good-not-great-wrestlers/page-8 Only made me think of that because up until probably the late '90s I had to suffer through those awful kinds of glasses myself. When you go through high school at 125 lbs., you don't need that kind of extra incentive for the jackass athletes.

I was reading though a thread and saw a pic that jerry von Kramer posted. It brought me back to the days of evil-ly oversized and akward glasses being the only kind you could ever find. My question was this. Were the people who manufactured glasses frames like the kayfabe authority figure who inadvertently helps the heel in an already lopsided situation? OR Were they the evil bastard authority figure who was openly on the heel's side in this action? Myself, I lean towards the second. They had to know the glasses frames they were making were gawky and stupid lookin'. I mean, did they not have mirrors?