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Rose took a nice bump off Apollo's clothesline. I still can't get over Apollo Crews being an actual ring name for someone. Another quasi-squash match in which the heel takes half the match and gets a chinlock in. Whoever agented this should be fired. Nothing worth seeing here.
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Welp. Botching a headscissors is not a good sign of things to come. Opening portion was worked uncoventionally......conventional? Like it's how every New Japan G1 match starts but you never see matches on Raw naturally progress from chain wrestling to bigger spots etc. Style's apron knee looked really great, don't remember him using it ever before. Not sure what people were expecting out of this but it was a fun three star match, Zayn messed up a couple of things (aforementioned headscissors, small package sunset flip landing) but it was fine outside of that.
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Remember when these two had that match at NXT that people have four stars to? I didn't really like that. But I really liked the three minute match they had on Raw like a week after that. I liked the early chain wrestling bit though they should probably counter the waistlock with back elbows instead of hip attacks since they're already doing all these jazz to take the women's division seriously. Natalya's Leglock was hilarious.Why is she working a shooter gimmick? I kind of love the spot where Natalya steps on her opponent's back and her setting it up by slamming Charlotte's face on the mat was cool too. Charlotte's Knee Drop looks much closer to Triple H's than Sayama's. Charlotte slapping Natalya around was cool, her kicking out of her own pin was not. For weird Battlarts tribute matches I'm not sure this was better than Kobra Moon-Ivelisse but it was fine, a solid bout.
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Kevin Owens is a good comedy wrestler but his hilarious trash talk and him posing to the hard cam and saying who's the man isn't stuff that is ever actually going to get real heat. Still his character feels very modern and there is the fact that he has to play to a big part of an audience that just isn't going to boo guys like him. Maybe they would if the workers TRIED, but Vince has obviously given up on classic face/heel dynamics so might as well enjoy the product for what it is. I really loved Cesaro in 2013 but I just haven't been impressed with his work lately. He's been tamed and everything that initially made him special isn't there anymore. Boring match. Why should I care about the limbwork when Cesaro's doing top rope gutwrench suplexes with a bad arm anyway? Boo/yay punch exchanges in a throwaway TV match are about as interesting as Hirooki Goto elbow exchanges. Unexpectedly sloppy at times too. Miz managed to outwork them both by making faces watching this backstage. Owens' fat man Frog Splash was awesome, I would like him more as a Super Porky tribute act. Finish was basically a modern New Japan finisher counter wank-fest so anyone who complains about that should be consistent in applying it.
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El-P should try to stop being miserable discussing the same old tired talking points. Watch a Miz match.
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This is my favourite Fujiwara/Super Tiger match. They work it with Fujiwara having the upper hand on the mat and Tiger being the dominant striker but the gaps aren't huge and both can hang and fire back in both departments. Fujiwara is awesome here, busting out awesome takedowns, countering Tiger's strikes, reversing his holds on the mat etc. but he also has all time great punches and just rocks Tiger with them when they're standing. There's a really great moment when Fujiwara starts choking Super Tiger with a Sleeper and Sayama sells it with this disgusting cough. Finishing stretch is just unreal with Sayama killing Fujiwara with brutal kicks seemingly forever and his knee drop is also up there with the best there have ever been. Fujiwara is the master at blocking kicks and reversing everything so you can buy he could come back at any time but Sayama just keeps on kicking him in the head and destroying him and it's this super dramatic struggle and then one time when Fujiwara finally gets a comeback in he gets cocky and throws a headbutt that knocks HIM down. That spot played up so many things, from Fujiwara's arrogance to the damage of Sayama's offence neutralizing a spot that I don't think had ever been neutralized before. And he just keeps on killing him and pretty much invents the shoot style KO/TKO finish in the process. FIVE STARS. -
This match rules. Yes, it has lots of awesome action, yes the crowd heat is insane but my biggest takeaway from it was how great the transitions were. It seemed like every time there was even the slightest opening for a counter they'd take advantage of it, I could easily see this as being the greatest "learned psychology" match ever. Stars; all five of them.
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Man the opening sequences made this look like it was going to be one of the greatest matches of all time and it was going really great and then Jumbo botched the Powerbomb. That made it feel really incomplete, in a way I rarely find botched finishes to be, usually I'm just amused at the brutality but here it really felt like a sudden stop that shouldn't have been. Thankfully we got a rematch two months later. This was still very good but more three star-ish than what could've (and did eventually) be.
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There's a moment in here where Tenryu irish whips Jumbo into the guardrail and Jumbo just goes completely berserk and starts beating the shit out of Tenryu that might be the beginning of Jumbo as an all time great worker for me. Tenryu really brought out the best out of him. The ending is just completely transcendent with some of the best chaotic brawling you'll ever see. As gratifying as a DQ finish can be. Still a level below their 1989 classic but man what a great match. ****1/4-****1/2
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What he did as heel in WWE is much more special to me than what he did as heel in ROH. Having matches vs. Big Show and Mark Henry treating them like proper monsters, the screwy finishes, nearly losing to Santino....it was a unique run in a setting that almost never allows those and he did it not by breaking the rules of his universe like Punk did but by actualizing the tried and tested but forgotten tricks of yesterday. His ROH heel run was just...him still being the great wrestler he was before but the ROH fans get sick of everything after a few months? That's just...whatever.
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WKO also LOVED his WWE run and judging recent posts like Mike watching the Super Dragon match it would hold up just fine for them. Personally I watched a fair amount of his earliest indy stuff I hadn't seen before and may have overrated him on my list if anything. His early run being so good and him (imo) clearly being the best wrestler in the world in his last run after a sketchy 2013 really helped him for me. I'm as emotionally detached from him as I could be a great wrestler. That said I did bring up a couple of my issues with him in my last post in his thread and for those reasons I'm not really sure I should've had him top 20 like I did.
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These kind of matches are often insane exhibitons of cool spots and athleticism that range from incredible to terrible. Sometimes they're just guys doing stuff and tower of doom spots and that's what this was. Owens' selling being thrown into the barricade by screaming the way he did is the kind of self conscious sell that reddit boys will look at and say "yeah! that ruled". It can never get real heat. The Miz would never do it. Jericho screaming "stay down you stupid man" is also too hilarious and stupid to get real heat in 2016. Owens' Package Powerbomb doesn't really look good or make sense, it got a good pop the first time but still it is very much "hey guys remember I used to do the Package Piledriver the cool move they don't let me do anymore *wink wink*". If there was one thing I liked about this it's that pins were broken up with head stomps, it's the kind of cool thing Choshu used to do. Outside of that this was very much a generic WWE fatal four way and not as good as the Miz match from the same show.
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A good match at last. Early on Miz gets heat out of a shoulder block. A SHOULDER BLOCK. Think about that for a second. He might be the only WWE heel that knows how to properly stooge and get some shine on the babyface. Shocking to see a match in WWE in 2016 actually get the desired reaction. Ryder's offence seemed quite Dropkick heavy, they provided a lot of movement in the match which kept the fans thoroughly invested. I enjoyed the wacky interference in the finish. Good little three star match.
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"He marches to the beat of his own drummer" is up there with the most WWE commentary lines ever. Ziggler is in the stage of his career Marufuji is now where he looks like an old cat, his Dropkick and haircut are just sad to watch. His punches didn't look too bad, if he dropped alll of his DX tribute offence he might be almost as good of a worker as The Miz. Corbin's Forearms looked good but man I got surprisingly annoyed at how even this was worked. Finish was incredibly stupid as most WWE Dusty finishes are, Corbin goes over the barricade, then screams at the ref for no reason, then proves a point by brutalizing Dolph Ziggler but he does that by returning to the ringside area. Okay. Another match I didn't really need to see. I caught Corbin hitting his finisher on Ziggler on the floor a month ago and hoped this would be just kicking Dolph around but nah. A star and three quarters I'm sorry I don't know how to rate these matches anymore I quit watching NOAH three years ago.
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I bursted out laughing as I was typing the thread title, it's almost hard to believe how ridiculous some of the WWE ring names are. I like the idea of having more 2 minute squashes on Raw but this match was boring, even in a 2 minute showcase match a heel has to get in a Smackdown vs Raw signature move and a Chinlock. I miss Ryback killing local guys. Apollo did some cool flips I guess but man what a waste of time.
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Yeah, OJ has talked about this with Breaks, but it also happens when I bring in like, shitty Akiyama house show matches and no one responds. I would like to contribute to this, but I really don't see myself ever being that consistent in it. Doing what I have done for Hashimoto in his microscope thread where I've reviewed his entire Memphis stint and other 30+ matches of his is like, the amount I did for my #1. I mean I could (and will slowly, slowly) do more, but not I think it's important to note not everyone can practically execute this idealistic and holistic view, and having everyone contribute a little is much more likely to bring us to the final goal than having a few people do it by themself. But honestly I think there are pretty of other wrestlers where do have good enough grasp of their entire career that we could have the same arguments. We just might be, a, say, Fujiwara vs Kawada comparison thread away.
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Big pop for Jumbo missing the top 10.
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Eh I thought the Fujinami/Lawler match was really good. Finish kind of sucked but what can you do.....80s.
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He's cleary leading the match vs. Nagata and vs. Rikioh in 2005/6. Both are great matches though I can't really think of huge Taue carry jobs. But then again I'm not sure I can do the same for Kobashi.
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I think at minimum something like 85% of the ballots were from people with PWO accounts and if you add in everyone who registered after the voting it's closer to 95%. I never asked for "PWO-only" results. What I said was that we had enough ballots from people who obviously did engage in the process or just watched a shitload of wrestling for its own sake that the gaps each one us has could've cancelled each other out if the priorities of the process were different.
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If Bret Hart forms a promotion with no TV in 1991 he's lucky if he draws half the numbers my local backyard/indie fed does ("my", I don't have anything to do with it). What a mark. Bet his nudes wouldn't look half as good as well. Takada nudes? Girl, don't be playin' ... They exist and are very real. You can come across a lot of strange shit looking for GIFs on tumblr. Anyway I just checked and they've been deleted in the mean time. Folks can browse the japanese deep web on their own volition.
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Triple H just kicked out of it but that was after Steph pulled the ref outside the ring. Brock surely kicked out of it, possibly numerous times.
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If Bret Hart forms a promotion with no TV in 1991 he's lucky if he draws half the numbers my local backyard/indie fed does ("my", I don't have anything to do with it). What a mark. Bet his nudes wouldn't look half as good as well.
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Whereas someone like Mick Foley just creeps me the fuck out. IDK I can't really vote for a guy taking all these stupid bumps when he's doing pathetic company shilling rants and is working the creepiest white male feminist gimmick ever. I mean I'd totally do it if I truly cared about his work but. Nah. edit: should note triple h being a 4/10 wrestler wouldn't classify under the dumb shit said by bret hart, seem about right really, might be slightly overrating him That 4/10 thing was referring to one of his matches, not him as a wrestler per say. Per se, lad, per se.
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I kind of like Bret Hart in terms of broken down wrestlers saying dumb shit. The "Triple H is a 4/10 wrestler" line would obviously be #1 but then there's also stuff like him claiming Melina is the best women's wrestler with his thought process being something like this: Whereas someone like Mick Foley just creeps me the fuck out. IDK I can't really vote for a guy taking all these stupid bumps when he's doing pathetic company shilling rants and is working the creepiest white male feminist gimmick ever. I mean I'd totally do it if I truly cared about his work but. Nah. edit: should note triple h being a 4/10 wrestler wouldn't classify under the dumb shit said by bret hart, seem about right really, might be slightly overrating him