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I don't think the bad rap 80s WWF gets is fair but I do think WWF in ring action peaked in the late 90s. If I were to pick my 10 favorite WWF matches, most would be in the 90s with Bret Hart, Mick Foley, and Austin. I can't think of anything in 80s WWF that's on the level of Mindgames 96 or the Austin vs Bret matches or the Bret vs Owen matches.

In 1978ish my cousin beat up both of the Valiant Brothers at the same time at a hotel bar near the Cap Center. People complain that the Bucks don't look like/aren't built like people capable of handling themselves but appearantly neither could the Valiant Brothers.

I've flipped off and on, its not nearly as bad as I thought it would be.

Anybody catch the Anniversary show or the Felino vs Barbaro Hair match from last week? Any idea where I can find these

Since the very first show of AEW I was saying AEW needs more legit athletes and they need more big guys. If Satnam Singh is who they come back with than I was way wrong. From the little I've seen from his time D-League, he makes Giant Gonzalez seem mobile and coordinated.

He's a lock to again be on the bottom half of my list.

I could see the shock and outrage from somebody who never saw Dreamer's work in ECW or never watched an RF video shoot interview back in the 90s. However to anybody who did follow ECW back in the day, Dreamer being anything other than a total meathead would seem outrageous. And people would expect Tommy Dreamer to be anything but a Mark for the boys? Come on now, the guy was such a mark that he stayed with ECW until the very end.

Yeah I don't get the shock and outrage at Dreamer's comments. Do people expect Tommy Dreamer to eloquently express intelligent points about harassment in the work place? Tommy Dreamer, who made his career doing incredibly stupid, dangerous stunts and assaulting heel female valets on TV? Really Tommy Dreamer doesn't strike everybody as a guy who would be entertained by 60 year old Ric Flair doing the helicopter? People expect that guy to be able to empathize with a victim of harrassment or assault? People expect that guy to be able to understand the difficulties women face in the workplace? GTFO here. Part of his job when working developmental was to relay info of what cosmetic work was needed for the girls to make it to the main roster. People are up in arms that guy isn't a woke feminist? GTFO here. Only thing I would expect Tommy Dreamer to understand or empathize with is the long term effects of concussions. Dreamer said exactly what I would expect somebody with that history to say.

In his defense, I'm sure everybody working ECW in 2000 considered murdering Paul Heyman.

They could try but JR didn't exactly do Flair any favors in the documentary when asked about it.

Her description of events was basically after entertaining the boys with his rendition of the helicopter, Ric Flair cornering her in the galley of the plane and grabbed her by the wrists and tried to force her to touch his dick until Dustin Rhodes grabbed Flair and dragged him off. Oh and while checking on an unconscious Scott Hall, Hall regained consciousness long enough to sit up and lick her face before passing out again.

They had the flight attendant he flashed on the episode. Her version of events was pretty damning for Flair, and really everybody on that plane.

Tell me if I’m wrong but 200k is the break even point for a PPV? Or is that only in boxing and MMA?

I've said it here before and I'm saying it again now. Everything WWE does is reactive rather than proactive. They don't really have a long term plan for anybody other than maybe Reigns. They expect to get killed in the ratings by MNF and just lost to AEW, so they hot shot a bunch of things and put the title Big E finally. Big E should have had a title reign a long time ago. Big E vs Lashley should have been a PPV main event with a 6 week build and they should have done it a long time ago. But no, they are getting killed in the ratings so they hot shot it. It reminds me a lot of Goldberg beating Hogan with only 1 weeks build on free TV.

Both i guess. 93, 94, the last half of 96, 97, 98 and the first half of 99, he's a strong contender for the best in the US. There are points in there where Bret Hart or Dustin Rhodes could get the nod but yeah for most of the 90s I'd say Austin was the best wrestler in the US.

Like spring of 92 until the end of 99, yeah. I think he was the best in the US when healthy for those 7 or 8 years.

I think Austin was probably the best in the States for nearly the entire 90s, whether or not his push reflected that. Best in the world, I don't think he ever really cracked the top 5 or so with who was working Japan and Mexico at the time. Best year though was probably 97 or 01.

On the watch along today somebody (I believe elliot) claimed Matt Borne is better than Ted Dibiase. I'm interested to see if this is a common belief

Other than a great look and being an explosive athlete, what does Brian Cage have? To me he's the modern day Mike Awesome. He needs to be booked very creatively to accent what he does well while hiding all the things he doesn't.

Saying somebody's match vs Kenny Omega was a disjointed mess isn't that much of an insult. Most Kenny Omega matches are a disjointed mess. On the flip side saying he had some great TV matches against Rey Jr isn't much of a compliment as most Rey Jr TV matches are great.

You ever see his high school football highlight tape? Its all footage from his junior year and at 6'7" 230 he lines up at wide receiver, H-back, outside linebacker, and strong safety. He literally looks like a grown man playing with children. As for the general theme of this, a lot of the top big guys of the past 30 years had an athletic background in basketball not football or wrestling. Big Show, Undertaker, Kane all played college basketball at small schools and Nash played at the top of D1.

Dax Harwood/Scott Dawson The guy is the modern Bobby Eaton. He's been consistently great these last 5 years in TV tags and multi man tags and has had some all time great matches on PPV. I would consider him the best tag worker today and one of the best workers period. Revival vs DIY 8/20/16 and 11/19/16 FTF vs Young Bucks 11/7/20 vs Jungle Boy 1/21/21

Out of everything you said this is the part I disagree with the most. Every Han match tells a unique and different story. There's no Han formula, there's no set of moves or spots that he always has to get in. Every match is different based on the skills and level of his opponents. A Han squash is very different from a Han epic. A Han vs rookie match is way different than a Han vs experienced vet match. A Han match vs striker is wildly different than a Han match against a grappler. Han had an amazing ability to tell a story not just during a match but over the course of a feud. We see this in the Yamamoto series, where there first match is a squash, the second is onesided but Yamamoto comes out looking like a bad ass for not tapping, their third match is even with Han sort of getting lucky, and their fourth match Yamamoto scores the upset. Each match is great but it really shows great long term storytelling on Han's part.