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  1. War is Raw

    AEW Dynamite - January 15, 2020

    Just extrapolating from one article I read in a 1950s magazine, but I think it said Buddy Rogers would defend his NWA T.V. title (Ohio) against the winner of an annual tournament, which lasted over many shows. Not sure how big the brackets were or if it lasted all year (the article acted like it was an ongoing tourny). So the title itself was basically the "King of TV" who defends it once a year. Just an interesting original Golden Age concept for the "Television Championship".
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    AEW Dynamite - January 15, 2020

    The rating breakdowns haven't been published, but looks like the opener was hot, Cod's promo was great, DDP did well, and the Mox beatdown by Jericho was fantastic. The women's match and PAC vs Darby bombed, @C.S. So you are not alone when it comes to raging headaches- 88,000 tuned out. A couple of podcasters said the final two in the NXT battle royal ran too long, but Io has been a draw a few times. And as we have seen, Darby had lost in the main vs Jericho and now PAC, but had gained vs MOX. Never gained on the undercard. PAC has not carried a rating yet without MOX or Omega.
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    83 Weeks with Eric Bischoff

    Once I went Arn with Ep 1, I couldn't go back to the others. He is a straight shooter. His road stories and random details are new, and Conrad isn't working his gimmick.
  4. I agree. However what I got from the OP (albeit poorly phrased) was that guys like Joey Ryan realized he would never make it based on his in-ring ability or other skills, so resorted to dick spots to get noticed and it works for him to pay the bills. Orange Cassidy admitted he created his ironic gimmick because he wasn't better than the hundreds of other high flyers so needed to stand out. And they may have been inspired by Foley- a guy who used trash cans, barbed wire, TLC spots, fire, and thumb tacks to get noticed, which were not based on traditional wrestling techniques. More of a carnival sideshow or stuntshow. All of these guys appear to be fans and marks for the biz and found their niches. But I admit it may be a stretch. I think OP may be buying into James E. Cornette's theory that Joey Ryan has destroyed professional wrestling as we know it due to his "comedy", when in fact, people named Vince ought to get 99% of the blame.
  5. First of all I loved Cactus Jack before he was even in the WWF. I, too, have though of Foley's influence in the shower, and don't know if his influence was good or bad. This is a good conversation. I wish more would contribute to this thread. The skit stuff- no, that's not related to Foley. Being rewarded for dangerous stunts? Yeah. The trend to let out-of-shape normal-looking fans in wrestling? Yeah. However, I will not make a judgment if these trends are "problems" or not. Nor do I concede if wrestling has any "problems" preventing it from becoming mainstream, or that mainstream ought to be a goal. But I find it ironic that Jim Cornette and Vince Russo love Mick Foley from working with him and his legacy, but IMHO Mick opened the door for "non-TV stars" to be pushed as a huge thing in the post-Hulkamania world, but they hate "normal looking fans becoming wrestlers". He a throwback to "menacing, ugly" brawlers like Brody, and he was not a "technical wrestler". He was an early indie darling in the early AOL/newsgroups. Not a work rate guy, but still made waves. He was natural at being a jobber vs Kamala in the 1980s but he was a pioneer who got over by KILLING HIMSELF for attention. His skills were character work, psychology, creative details, and promos. Perhaps no one did more with less physical gifts. He had talent but got the initial attention due to his dangerous bumps and spots. He has brain damage. That was his price for fame. It's what "non-convincing wrestlers" like Spike Dudley, Sandman, Dreamer, Whipwreck did in the 1990s and Joey Janela did today to get noticed. It's a living. There's nothing different from Foley jumping off the roof compared to backyard wrestlers or the current crop of controversial gimmick guys. The only difference is Foley became a TV superstar.
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    AEW Dynamite - January 15, 2020

    We never saw a shoot interview or book telling us how AEW is really booked yet or what the plans were. We can piece things together, but in many ways, AEW has kept a tight lip on things, or has had contradictory statements from Cody and Tony. I don't believe Tony "regrets" anything. I have high standard for burden of proof. I defended Barry Bonds back in the day. IMHO the plan was always to book Omega and the Bucks to get over talent until 2020 when they would start winning again. And I feel fans had insanely high expectations for Omega and they lose sight that his w/l record and TV time were very high even during his slump. He's also had great matches with CIMA, Jericho, PAC, Janela, Evans, and last week's tag. He's like an MVP baseball player who switches teams and gets off to a "slow start" which is still better than 90% of players in the league, like A-Rod with the Yanks. And in many ways the proof is in the pudding that the plan is working, based on the ratings. AEW is Jericho, the best heel champ in decades. There is a less of a variation in the segment drops, which means the unknown talent is slowly getting over and The Elite is getting hot. Compare to RAW and it seems like that show is falling off a cliff and not even Becky vs Asuka and Orton vs AJ draw viewers. Regarding PAC, I can see how a minority of fans could find him boring because he's realistic and virtually unstoppable as a brutal heel, but he is perfect at his role, a hard worker, more than a spot monkey, one of the best in the world, in shape, and was an in-demand internet darling (with talent) before Dynamite. That Darby match was universally praised except for prolly one critic on this board. But I get that everyone has different tastes and a "casual sports-entertainment" fan may be put off by him (and sadly would like him to be a goofy superhero or something). It's a losing battle to target PAC IMHO, especially in a league that pushes Brandi, Baker, and Dark Order (and I love their video segments), although it is one's right not to like or appreciate any performer.
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    AEW Dynamite - January 15, 2020

    Booking-wise, PAC won to set up the MOX vs PAC rematch, and force MOX to get through the best of the best to get to Jericho. Darby already has his chance with MOX and was dominated in that match. Darby is someone who looks better even after he loses, but is not in the title picture at the moment. Anyway future judgement about the marketability of PAC vs Darby was not on the table right now. IMHO
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    Is Impact the best promotion in wrestling history?

    The post is stuck in limbo and can't even load to edit or remove. I would like anyone's thoughts on my question though: TLDR: How many matches of Tessa should one watch to assess her skills and compare her to Charlotte, Becky, Sasha, etc.?
  9. I know this topic was discussed back in the day with GWE, but there was no consensus. Is there even a number? Assuming the bulk of a career has made it to video, how many matches do you watch to feel comfortable making a final judgment about a wrestler's skill level, talents, career, or personal historical ranking? What breakdown of squash matches, early career vs peak vs twilight, TV matches, indie work vs major leagues, big PPV matches, tag, best of... compilations, random house shows, etc. would you consider? What is your educated guess, like if you were assigning homework to research to answer the question "Is Tessa Blanchard the best American woman worker?" I assume I'd make a shortlist of the top American female talent (her peers) based on published rankings to compare Tessa to, but once I get the names, how many matches to watch?
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    "Triple H shoots himself in the foot" thread

    I recall from shoots from RVD and others from the 200xs where HHH was known for horrible, cutting, unfunny jokes in the locker room. Most guys stood up to him and he shied away or apologized. Just bad sense of humor.
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    Best Arn Anderson Match

    The fans didn't seem to mind. If that's Arn's worst (which he says it is) he still carried him as best as humanly possible with no "boring" chants, which were prevalent in that time frame more than today.
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    AEW Dynamite - January 8, 2020

    Yeah, the only other gain she ever had on Dynamite was being in the same 15-minute segment as a Jericho interview, but obviously that "gain" was all Jericho and she piggybacked it. With the Nightmare Collective angle she has BLED viewers except last week. A shame some journalists (I won't name them) don't get this and continue to spread the false narrative Nightmare Collective and Dark Order = Rusev/Lana = proof we want this stuff. Too many things are wrong about that meme, including that AEW fans and WWE fans have little crossover. Makes we wonder if journalists are afraid to piss off Brandi because they fear losing access to Cody. But that's just a conspiracy theory on my part. I fear Brandi blew up the division so badly Wednesday that every woman was damaged in it, even moving forward. For example, even poor Riho was booed for the tainted win. And if she refused to take the pin, it would be too weak, like old Bailey-lite. And next week? Well, I think Kris + Shida vs Kong + Mel/w Brandi is going to lose viewers, even though Shida will be a ring general. In fact, it is well withing the realm of reality that Brandi will pull off a wacky angle/finish in Miami just to be a troll. As in...Kris turns on Shida and joins the Collective. But Tony Khan tweeted he has listened to our Wednesday feedback and is not ignoring it (moving forward, I assume), so hopefully it will not be too bad. I get that lots of dudes don't like or understand Riho or want Kris or Shida being the champ, but there's no denying she has been in the only women matches that draw: Riho vs. Kris Statlander gained 17,000 viewers Riho vs. Nyla Rose vs. Britt Baker vs. Hikaru Shida gained 47,000 viewers (+34,000 in 18-49 demo) Riho and Shanna vs. Emi Sakura & Jamie Hayter 18-34 demo was second only to Cody's famous Full Gear promo Riho vs. Britt Baker gained 3,000 viewers Riho vs. Nyla Rose gained 70,000 teenage girls/140,000 total girls watching
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    AEW Dynamite - January 8, 2020

    IMHO that's why Brandi piggybacked Riho's match.
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    AEW Dynamite - January 8, 2020

    If you check the Jan 1 numbers in that thread, you will see that Riho once again made gains and is AEW's TV star. Jericho and MOX of course are superstars and the big money feud.
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    AEW Dynamite - January 8, 2020

    Kenny Omega & Adam Page vs. Private Party opened with 1,013,000 Ending of Omega & Page vs. Private Party/Omega chases PAC lost 69,000 Riho vs. Kris Statlander/Brandi + Nightmare Collective gained 17,000 Christopher Daniels vs. Sammy Guevara/Dark Order lost 48,000 Dustin & Cody Rhodes vs. Pentagon Jr. & Rey Fenix/Arn Anderson gained 28,000 MJF promo with DDP, BBB, etc. stayed even Luchasaurus & Jungle Boy & Marko Stunt vs. Trent & Chuck Taylor & Orange Cassidy lost 44,000 Chris Jericho's offer with Jon Moxley gained 73,000 Finished 970,000
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