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I mean, it might be tautological, but if the WWE and Vince underestimated him then it's sort of per se proof that he wasn't really that important.

He definitely wasn't better than Taka Michinoku, though I would grant that Taka was rarely or never in position to actually have good matches so Christian may still beat him on pure output. But come the fuck on. He's a "maybe" for a top-5 in-ring worker and a laughable no for top-5 star.

I read what you posted and aren't comprehending what you're saying. Are you talking about a top-5 WORKER during the Attitude Era? I think even that's strongly debatable. Was 1999-2000 Christian better than either of the Hardyz, or peak X-Pac, or even D'Lo? To say nothing of Austin or Foley.

As someone who was in high school and college during the Attitude Era and got to see first-hand how teens who weren't necessarily into wrestling before evaluated guys, I can confirm that Al Snow would rank higher on a list of Attitude Era guys than Christian.

Are we already forgetting Mighty Joe Thunder? For shame.

No music because it took place backstage, but when Foley tore into him when he thought he threw his book away, it was a rare occurrence of Rock being completely shut down and overmatched verbally. Foley was even drawing cheers for it because his delivery was so great.

A screen shot from archive.org made the rounds a few months ago. I saw it on Scott Keith's blog, of all places (I like the discussions in the comments, sue me.) Of course now I can't find it.

The screen name of the sleaze thread-starter was "Coach Tony K." It was him.

But he never coached for Miami-OH or the Bengals, so yeah, what the hell is Jesse talking about?

Or to bring back a hot Internet newz rumor of the day, "Titan."

AEW signs the fucking Big Show. Seriously? I'd have thought he was a WWE Lifer. I don't know what he adds besides finally paying off that Wight vs. Shaq match that's been teased for years, but maybe AEW figured that if they had the opportunity to steal a longtime WWE guy, to do it.

WCW Jesse may actually have been a bigger decline than WCW Bobby. Talk about a guy who just plain stopped giving a shit. He was good in moments, but also really bad in others, and he didn't have that personal, legitimate animosity with guys like Sting or Flair that added so much to his calls of Hogan matches.

Can't believe I forgot Albano. His first babyface run was an unqualified success.

I dunno. Between Liz and Paul Bearer, plus the tail end of the Arnold Skaaland Era, that's a better track record of babyface managers than most other promotions.

Sid was going to beat Shawn for the belt on Thursday Raw Thursday and then defend against Taker. Maybe they put Owen against Maivia? And what do they do with the tag titles?

This is a reminder that a Landel vs. Flair main event drew the largest crowd and gate in the history of Raleigh's Dorton Arena, at least to that point.

This thread might be the first outright defense of Baron Scicluna as a worker. That's not me being snide, just an observation. There is a squash or two on All-Star Wrestling where he surprisingly does some solid wrestling, instead of going straight to the foreign object shtick.

On top of that, she was born in Florida in December of 1986. And which promotion were the Fabs working in March? Here's a hint: until the previous year it had been owned by Eddie Graham.

Another vote for prioritizing Crockett.

It is indeed. If I may adjust my overcorrection glasses here, the final Elvis concert was in Indianapolis at Market Square Arena, a few months after Amarillo. And since it all ties back to wrestling, I *only* know this because Jesse Ventura mentions it during the Honky Tonk Man's entrance on the 2/88 Main Event (which was in the same building).

I'm more with brainfollower here. It's ***1/2 work with * psychology. And while it's not really anyone's "fault," London is the absolute worst place to debut Flair in his first real "name" match.

Don't forget Zeus. 1989 Ron Simmons would have been a perfectly serviceable house show opponent for Hogan. He could have faced either one of the Zambuies earlier on, though I don't see the WWF pushing a militant African gimmick.

Then there's this from that channel that blew my mind: Akira Taue vs. Harley Race from '89. In a match that's not on the 1989 AJ TV set--this must be another match that only aired on local/regional TV, which we have a few of around this time but obviously not everything. This is one I've never heard of before.

That channel also uploaded (and has subsequently pulled) Antonio Inoki vs. Bearcat Wright from 1975, one of Wright's final matches. It's nothing altogether spectacular and Wright was pretty old, but he's a seminal figure in wrestling history, a WON HOF member, and a guy with very little footage out there. It was a neat find regardless of match quality.