MikeCampbell

Jim Jefferies already debunked the stud/slut argument during his HBO special. A stud has to be funny, charming, sweet, etc to score. A slut just has to be there.

Had the Fants turned heel, I wonder if they'd have feuded with the new babyface MX, and, thus, WCW wouldn't have brought in the OMX.

I somehow missed this post from Loss, which I wholeheartedly agree. I think that we can potentially see another boom period and *A* promotion emerge as legit competition to Vince, but not anytime soon. WWF and WCW were both formed due to the evolution of the wrestling business. WWF wasn't the first promotion to take advantage of the onset of cable and be seen nationwide. TBS beat him to the punch by a few years. But he was the first to legit take his show on the road and be that national promotion. WCW was formed by the strongest of the territories also being forced to go national and getting a financial backer to combat all the money that Vince had. The boom period was due to both companies finding hot acts and using them the best ways possible. WCW took advantage of Hall and Nash's star power and the freshness of Hogan as a heel. WWF took advantage of Austin and Rock's youth, skills in the ring, and on the microphone, as well as cashing in on Montreal with Mr. McMahon. The problem now is that nobody is allowed to really break out in the WWF because the writers write for everyone and next to nobody has any real creative freedom. Look at at Sheamus' WWE Title chase and subsequent reign, he'd have never been at the top during the boom period. It doesn't help that HHH won't get out of the way, despite having job security for life. I wonder if in 20 years, we'll be talking about HHH in WWE the same way that we talk about Hogan in WCW.

SLL, I'm not disagreeing with you. Obviously they need to get from Point A to Point B. If I'm recalling right (my timetable might be off on how long this dragged out) this actually got a lot more offensive, with the Stud Stable whipping him with belts to complete his babyface turn. My point was simply that the watermelon angle was rather offensive to most, and if done today by Vince it'd be a huge ordeal with him getting raked over the coals by everyone in the media. I'm also not arguing that this was more racist than Slick eating KFC, they're both clearly racist. I'm just saying that I don't think Slick and the KFC is really offensive. I don't think anyone will argue that Chris Rock's stand up routine is racist, but I've never heard or read anyone really getting all up at arms about his routine.

Let me be more specific. I obviously don't have a problem with the idea of Brick turning face because he's had enough of Fuller's racist shit, like SLL said that's rather progressive. I simply think that the watermelon angle itself is offensive. Re: The Slick comparison. We're ostensibly being led to believe that Slick strolled into the KFC and ordered a bucket of chicken. No, the closeup of the black guy wolfing it down probably isn't the most PC thing in the world to be showing, but it's not being forced onto him the way the watermelon was to Brick. That's why I don't find it as offensive.

There's really no reason why they couldn't drop the TNA name for something more recognizable and more 'wrestling friendly.' The WWF/WWE thing was seamless for the most part, with only a few habitual mentions of WWF slipping out on TV. Hell, I recall Dames making a post on TSM way back in the early days of both TSM and then NWATNA looking for suggestions to help the promotion, and one of the things I suggested was to drop the TNA and just call themselves the NWA. That obviously won't work now with them dropping the NWA.

I think it's more offensive, because Slick was enforcing the stereotype himself with the chicken. If the angle was something like Brick bringing out the watermelon to the promo on his own, then I would agree.

That's pretty offensive stuff, even for Memphis. I can only imagine the potential Backlash if WWE or TNA tried something like that.

A buddy of mine made a CM Punk in WWE comp, I was chilling out with him watching it last night, and damn if the criticism from HHH about Punk just doing stuff he saw on Japanese tapes wasn't on the money. - Wanderlei Silva pre-match knuckle shuffle - Keji Mutoh 'puroresu love' pose - Hiroyoshi Tenzan Anaconda Vice - KENTA chop and kick flurry while opponent - Jun Akiyama jumping knee in the corner - KENTA Go 2 Sleep (styled as Go To Sleep or GTS) The only big spot of his that I can't place from Japan is the springboard lariat that he used to always do.

I forgot about the HHH/Eddie match the night he was drafted onto SD. I remember just being pissed off that he wouldn't put over the WWE Champion, even with the Michaels interference to keep him looking strong.

Kane beat HHH for IC Title in their Chain Match at Judgment Day 2001. I don't know if it applies or not for being a total douchebag, but during the 2002 angle when babyface HHH was trying to convince Shawn (I think) to re-form DX with him. HHH made a comment to the effect of "Shawn, don't take your ball and go home. Don't be like Stone Cold!"

Does Punk still have locker room heat because of his supposed attitude problem? If that's the case, that's the only reason I don't see him becoming a top guy of Cena proportions.

Ross is FAR too smart to even entertain the notion of going to TNA. While a Ross/Tazz or Ross/Tenay combo would probably be good. There's two things that would stop that from happening. 1. Russo. He was trying to get JR taken off of TV way back in '99 with that ridiculous heel turn because he believed that fat, southern, JR didn't mesh well with the mainstream WWF. 2. Bischoff. He gave Ross the axe in '93 for the same reasons Russo tried to get him unseated six years after.

The Cornette/TNA drama has turned into the third or fourth round of Cornette vs. Bischoff. Bischoff's comments: Cornette's reply.

Not that I disagree with the point of your post, Loss, because I think you're right, but Puppet the Psycho Dwarf was from TNA's early days on PPV, before Panda got involved. Not that TNA hasn't put questionable things on TV tons of times, just look at the Jordan "milk" incident from a week or so ago. I'd imagine the executive in question would be some Panda energy bigwig or maybe someone with Spike. I can understand them going to a hotel bar, they're usually a bit more upscale than your average standalone bar. Edit: Kris beat me to the punch.

Isn't Brad still with WWE? I'd never heard of him getting canned and there's no mention of it on his Wiki entry.

From Brad Armstrong's shoot interview, after he accidentally opened up a huge gash on Steve Williams' eye. "DOC. . . I'M SORRY!"

DOI is good for humor, but anything they report as news should be taken with, give or take, a truckload of salt. When Sapolsky was booking ROH, DOI had stories every other day about Gabe, most of which wound up being shot all to hell.

Hey Bix, it's not Sid related, but does Bruno talk at all about the story from Foley's first book where Brickhouse pulled the gun in the locker room? Foley's book says that he only pulled it on Bruno, who got scared shitless. Brickhouse says in his shoot interview that he pulled it on the whole locker room (minus Jeff Jarrett, because he was the only one not laughing at Bruno's jokes) and they all hit the floor scared out of their minds.

I didn't get this DVD, but I just watched this match today and feel the need to talk about it. I first saw this about five years ago when I was first getting into Joshi. This was one match that was very highly touted. My initial reaction to this was thinking that it was truly epic. Not because I'd been told it was great, but because that was how I actually felt. I also recall a debate on one of the boards over which 8/22/85 match was better, and I was floored that ANYONE could pick Lioness/Jaguar over it. Fast forward almost six years later, I happened across the tape and decided it would make a nice father/daughter bonding moment to watch this together. I'm able to recognize that it's a good match, but I'm lost of why I thought it was so epic before. I'd like to think that maybe I was somewhat distracted by holding the baby and having to pick up her pacifier a few times.

Considering the WWF's current state in '95, would a program between Diesel and Jarrett/Roadie for Summerslam done much better than Diesel/King Mabel?

Cornette's Dunn impersonations are priceless. As is his description of Dunn's job title "The executive asshole. . . I mean vice president of the WWE."

I do, to a certain extent, although I don't agree with it. Like you said, which I do agree with, Flair, Bret, Savage, and Steamboat were already there before him. But Shawn was the first main event who really worked a style with more emphasis on flying and bumping, which was unique for a main eventer at that point. Flair, Bret, and even Steamer to a point, were more technical workers. I think Flair was a better bumper overall, but didn't take to the air like Shawn. Savage took to the air a lot, for his time in the late '80's, but not nearly as much as Shawn did in the '90's.

I'll agree with Shawn about disliking the boyhood dream angle. I never understood why they went in that direction, considering he'd spend the better part of the previous four years as a sleazeball heel.

WrestleMania XII was in California, in Anaheim. So Keith's question still stands.